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    Appreciate help in trying to acquire this long time want, I'm after an original on UK Parlophone. Prefer the green demo but issue would be just fine.

    Ready to pay going rate immediately.

    Cheers............Petewink.gif

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    What is the going rate for a demo of this Pete its a 45 you dont see much these days !

    X Ian C

    Cliff ive been tryin to get one for the last 10 years ive asked 3 times on here hope you have better luck than me:thumbup:

    Some idiot mailed me last year after i asked for a copy on here and said i have a copy of What does it take by

    Jnr Walker if thats any good to you £10 mad or what:glare::D

    I wanna make up before i break up happy memories of that tune, when Major Lance appeared at Wigan Cas one Friday nite

    pre the Alniter days , he asked if have we got any northern soul fans here anyone go to the Torch i shouted out top of my voice yeh blimey he said come on stage brother bollocks i thought no way i,m off my head on filion Billy Mac, Terry Hastings and several

    more Wigginers picked me up and threw me on stage i had the horrors ,he got this girl on stage and wanted us to dance she was up for it i was,nt he said this is my new 45 out in the shops and started to sing I wanna make up Jesus my feet where movin

    like the clappers i was dancin 100 mph + he said to me slow down brother he he i did to 90mph god that was mad Major never forgot that nite and mentioned it everytime we met up over the yearsunsure.gif

    xx Ian Cunliffe

    awesome im very tempted on this -but visa is off the radar at momment,this really has not turned up much over the years the last one I saw was in John Pownys box and i think it went to A CERTAIN COLECTOR IN CARISLE!!

    Cant get a more detroit sounding group harmony track-id say a big bargain for someone!!

    BAZ A

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    Yes it did Baz with a load more rare tunes out of that box of Johns on the left hand side ( the box which he kept his own favs ..not for sale .. )

    mind you Mr Powney had some brilliant tunes for sale the times i visited with Cliff Camfield and dam cheap they where too top man John Powney !!!

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    The demo John Auctioned was mine which i had been in my collection for quite a long time....

    A friend of mine who,s on soul-source bought another demo couple months ago for £200 at a soul nite here in the Northwest which was vg +

    Regarding the REDBIRD 45 ive never seen a copy or know of anyone who has and ive been collecting rare soul since

    the 60,s...................

    XX Ian Cunliffe

    Hi everybody -

    Not that I am an expert, but I have had to join a number of songwriting, performer and label agencies because I now own or co own recorded works here in the UK and the US. They have strict guidlines and rules that are applicable to members and it is very 'legal'. The understanding that the creation of a song by writers, the recording of that song as a master and ultimate exploitation of that song as a release whether digitally, on CD, vinyl etc is a business venture with a hopeful generation of revenue for all those involved through the whole process whether the artists, sessions musicians, studio hire, record pressing plant, shipping and even the digital sales aggregators like CD Baby or your high street record shop, who are at the front line of selling physical copies to those who prefer a traditional purchase rather than Play.com etc.

    The notion of these bootlegs undermines the original intentions of the song writers and their moral rights, producers and record label. It should never be assumed that the owners of these works would like to see them copied and distributed like this as a rule. It is sad that some individuals feel it is their perogative to blatantly copy and distribute other peoples intelectual property rights on the assumption that they are doing them a favour and it may generate interest that they claim, they initiated. Or in the case of this vinyl, stealing the rights to copy and distribute from the owners.

    'Soul Recession' by Double Exposure is a song written and created in Philadelphia on a Sunday night September 2008 in Bobby Eli's studio. We created the rhythm track demo, so the musicians could listen to it the following morning and with the hand written chord charts, could follow and lay down the instrumental multitrack before any vocals were done. The lyrics were written the next day and the group rehearsed them in the studio that week and recorded them etc. At that stage we were unaware that a DJ in the US, was going to be interested in the song and the various mix incarnations that were made afterwards and released for sale at a later date. What transpires next is typical blatant copyright infringement and brought to my attention recently by an agency I am a member of, is a full blown high bandwidth alternative unofficial DJ mix of various elements of each of our song/production with added percussion and synth strings. This DJ has put the track on the Internet as a free download and suggested people buy the real tracks from our CD Baby web page. Since that unofficial post, our sales have stopped 100%. The DJ has assumed he is helping the investors of the production, me, by doing his own thing. He never even asked mine, Bobby's or Chiquita, the other writers permission, never contacted the label or offered us an MP3 that we may listen and appraise etc. This is where it gets interesting. Human nature says 'I would not mind hearing that mix, and seeing how it compares to the original. Nobody will know or mind, and if I like it, I won't even have to buy the original'. Which is what I did! Me, downloading my own song to listen to somebody else thinking they have a right to copy, work on, produce an alternative mix without any respect for the artists or musicians who I paid on the session and then put it on the Internet free of charge! I wonder how many people have downloaded the illegal song and bought a version properly off our CDBaby page? I wonder how many people have downloaded it and have no intention of buying a copy and have burnt it on to a CD for their own use, or indeed copied it and sent it electronically to a friend!

    The moral of the above is becoming clearer as I learn more and more about this business. The music cost money to make. The right thing to do is buy it from outlets authorised to sell it. That way, the whole chain from start to finish benefits from the cash to help pay for the original expenses incurred etc. As a digital download it is only 79p, yet people still send mp3's all over the place, free of charge and create compilations to give and in some cases sell at just 'cost price' of the CD/p&p etc. But what is the true cost to those who created the original works in the studio? It's very flippant of me to think that exposure like this could not be positive, just like the pirate radio stations of the 1960's who helped bring Motown to our attention, yet just as flippant for individuals to assume that a label needs their expertise in pirating their works, so they cannot pay their artist a correct royalty on legal sales! Everytime a work is copied digitally, distributed, kept and played it is illegal. The licence on the original purchase is for the buyer only and includes a 'fair use' policy where an individual can copy for archive purposes. The minute it is copied electronically for somebody else, or even posted on the interent, it becomes an illegal copy and therefore undermines those who created the work in the first place.

    So basically the music business is in shit! The do gooders think the music owes them something, so they take it, free of charge, and the honest fans and purchasers probably pay a premium because of that. And the labels who had it good for so long have learnt a valuable lesson over the last few years. Me, I spent £27000 last year and this, of my savings and pension and current sales are just under £600. Yet, I see my works posted free of charge on the Internet in the US.

    If you are adamant and want to stop bootlegging and piarates, the right thing to do is report them to trading standards or the BPI who operate a number of policies. That is how I found about the 'Soul Recession' issue. If you are curious about the illegal remix and like it, surely the right thing to do would be to at least purchase one of the official mixes, as ultimately Double Exposure would love to perform live somewhere, but can't because there is no money!

    Food for thought.....

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    Excellent post Carl and something everyone should read !!!

    Love, Peace & Happiness

    Ian Cunliffe

    thanks Popsthumbsup.gif

    ps. Gizza job, go on, I can do that ... laugh.gif

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    Your qualifications are,nt up to scratch for this job mate go back to Uni for another 5 yrs then you might just might

    get a job like me..... shades.giftongue.gif

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