Ian Dewhirst
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Very good point & I'm with you on this.
Don't beleive for 1 minute that it's impossible to copy something from the 60's with todays technology & how do we know that it hasn't happened already?
Well unless you can drag up a printing process from 40-50 years ago with all the attendent machinery (i.e. none digital in any way), find someone who knows all the original processes, source the type of paper that was used for labels back then, replicate the artwork precisely and then get the exact same stamper to put the labels on the record I very much doubt it!
And that's just the labels.
As for the type of vinyl they used back then, it simply can't be done anymore. The last time I checked back in the early 00's, there were only two suppliers of vinyl pellets left and they were both in the former Eastern bloc countries.
It's not that a pretty close copy couldn't be made - it could. But you'll never be able to exactly replicate a record from 40-50 years ago. The correct materials are simply no longer available. And even if by some fluke you got around all the above it would cost you a small fortune in buy in the expertise to copy an original - probably more than the cost of the original record!
You're from industrial town Mart. You should know that LOL.....
Ian D
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No, I don't think many will agree with you on that.
You will not be able to find the right kind of plastic for the vinyl, the new mastering will be different, the paper for the label will be different, the printing style will be different etc.
The only counterfeits of 60s records that have even come close to look and sound convincing I have ever seen were produced during the early 70s.
Yep, I go along with that. Pretty much impossible to accurately replicate a 60's record these days. The printing on the labels is the main giveaway.............
Ian D
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A friend of mine told me about this site : https://www.discogs.com/
Has anybody ever sold or bought records on it ? Or contributed with some info ?
TIA.
Yep, it's pretty much the best site to sell 12" Dance stuff on. It's primarily used as a research tool as the discographies are surprisingly good for the more mainstream stuff. Also it's much, much simpler to list items - it takes aproximately 30 seconds to list something on Discogs as opposed to 6-7 minutes on E-Bay so Discogs is much more user-friendly. Also, you don't pay any fees until you sell something. Pretty good IMO....
Ian D
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Hardly anybody has!
I'm sure somebody will come up trumps though.
Stuart
Hope so Stuart. I just checked with a colleague @ Demon and they have nothing for McKinley Jackson and/or the Politicians. A decent scan of the album sleeve might be the best you'll get.
You could try Blues & Soul as they had a decent archive of old Press Photos and Bios etc but I'm not sure who to contact there these days.......
Ian D
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Well, following the terrible news last Wednesday we naturally played a few Teddy P tunes this week to pay tribute to one of Soul Music's most treasured vocalists. RIP Teddy. We love you.......
Other, than that it's the usual trawl through the eras covering as many bases as we can over 120 minutes and we sure packed 'em in this week.....
Six Million Steps Presents The Original Mastercuts Show with Ian Dewhirst Sunday 17th January 2010 on everyone's favourite Soul station www.starpointradio.com.
Ist Hour
Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes Is There A Place For Me
Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes Bad Luck Pts 1 & 2
Teddy Pendergrass You're My Latest, My Greatest Inspiration Quentin Harris Mix
Tortured Soul In My Fantasy Tom Moulton Mix
Cool Million feat Meli'sa Morgan Sweet Baby
Switch You Pulled A Switch
The Spinners Got To Be Love
Stephanie Mills feat Teddy Pendergrass Two Hearts
Al Green Where Love Rules
2nd Hour
Teddy Pendergrass We Got Love
Martha Reeves No One There
Jerry Butler One Night Affair
Quiet Elegance You Brought The Sun Back Into My Life
Bill Brandon Baby Love Is A Two Way Street
James Brown People Wake Up And Live
The Supremes Up The Ladder To The Roof
S.O.U.L. feat Larry Hancock This Time Around
Lou Wilson & Today's People Settle Down
Teddy Pendergrass Only To You
The Staple Singers Tripping On Your Love
Average White Band feat Ben E. King Get It Up For Love Ashley Beedle Re-Edit
Friends Of Distinction Ain't No Woman (Like The One I Got)
Gene & Bobby Hang On In There Baby
Teddy Pendergrass Heaven Only Knows
https://www.sixmillio...7-Starpoint.mp3
Al is behind the decks next week and I'll be back on the 31st January so catch you all then!
Many thanks for listening everyone.
See ya next Sunday......
Ian D
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Well, another one of those weeks folks.
Marvin, Barry, James, Luther, Levi, Michael, Woody and now Teddy.
Soul vocalists don't have great life spans do they?
Teddy Pendergrass has always been a staple of this show 'cos Al and I grew up with him and he's been the soundtrack to our lives throughout the whole of the 70's and beyond.
So naturally we'll be doing a Teddy tribute throughout the show covering as many great tracks as we can squeeze in. Plus the rest - the usual trawl through the last 5 decades of glorious Soul music so hope you can join us!
A sad time for sure but boy did he leave us with an incredible legacy. RIP Teddy. This show's for you...........
Coming up tomorrow LIVE from 2.00-4.00pm on www.starpointradio.com featuring.......
Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes * Teddy Pendergrass * Tortured Soul * Cool Million feat Meli'sa Morgan * Switch * The Spinners * Stephanie Mills feat Teddy Pendergrass * Al Green * Teddy Pendergrass * Martha Reeves * Jerry Butler * Quiet Elegance * Bill Brandon * James Brown * The Supremes * S.O.U.L. feat Larry Hancock * Lou Wilson & Today's People * Teddy Pendergrass * The Staple Singers * Average White Band feat Ben E. King * Friends Of Distinction * Gene & Bobby * Teddy Pendergrass
Hope ya can join me.....I can feel another Levi Stubbs moment coming on......
Roll on 2.00pm......
Ian D
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A Teddy Pendergrass tribute on the Original Mastercuts show tomorrow 2.00-4.00pm LIVE on www.starpointradio.com.
RIP Teddy.....
Ian D
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Not alot more to add, Charles told me about the session when we met him a few years ago. He said it was at United Artists east coast studio. As it seems to have come from Uplook, the story does seem to hold water.
So definitely Teddy then by the sound of it. One or two people were a bit sceptical about the authenticy 'cos there's not much documentation about Teddy's early career........
Cheers Dave!
Ian D
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i've often wondered if soul groove- teddy & the fingerpoppers- arctic was teddy pendergrass, recorded in '68, harold melvin had a single on arctic the year before and teddy joined him in '69, it does sound like him, anyone know anything either way?
I bet it was! Teddy was a drummer and I remember that as a bit of a stomper........are there any vocals on it?
Ian D
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Think there are two other unissued from around the same time and all three are available on the Uplook Story from Grapevine. I can remember Andy Dyson getting the You Got Love from US to play out about ten years ago along with some unissued (at the time) Ronnie Walker tracks.
Great stuff Chalky. Just checked the CD and the sleeve notes say it was one of a 3 track session he recorded in New Jersey for Uplook Records. No dates but I figure around '67 ish. "You Got Love" is the Northern one but "Should I Stay Or Should I Go" is no slouch on the ballad stakes...
He must have been around 17 when he laid those vocals down then! Awesome. He sounds much older.....
Ian D
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I'm listening to a lot of Teddy Pendergrass this week for a tribute section on Sunday's show and I've stumbled back into the previously unissued storming "We Got Love" from the "Talk Of The Grapevine" CD from 2004.
Not only is it 100% vintage Northern Soul but it sounds like it was recorded around '67 or '68. There's no info in the booklet but the writer is Jesse Herring. I just wondered whether if this was his first recorded performance?
Anyone have any info pretty please.......?
Are you out there Gary or Paul.....?
Ian D
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As with most of the threads you instigate, I regularly find myself trying to understand what you're trying to achieve. Most seem to be scripted to provoke polar views and just antagonise, rather than promote debate and thoughtful and positive discussion.
This latest thread seems to be no different. To infer that social networking might be detrimental to the club scene, and even a contributory cause to reducing numbers attending club nights (which is not a trend I recognise, but anyway) is just another cynical attempt to provoke.
I would think it far more likely that social networking, and this site specifically has promoted greater interest in the club scene, and in particular the greater exposure of fresher music to encourage venue attendance. Sure there'll be plenty that'll be happy to get their fix from Soul Source and other sites, without feeling the need to attend club nights, but I don't see anything wrong with that. They will almost certainly contribute new music for others more inclined to get their soul fix at venues, and still indirectly promote and be involved in the scene.
To sum up, it's not case of either/or, they're complimentary.
C'mon Wrongcrowd. Don't be so naive. Anyone who creates a name for themselves by calling themselves 'Trouble' is obviously vying for effect surely?
Trouble is his business, Trouble is his game - you must know the tune LOL....
Why would you call yourself Trouble anyway?
To me that would suggest a predisposition towards creating an unsettling atmosphere and who really wants that......?
Ian D
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I've got into social networking sites through this scene... so many old friends from St Ives, Peterborough , EASC, 100 club, that I've tracked down through this site and Faecesbook etc.. Are we the twisted nutters in the real world you mention , James ? Funny, the older elements and nearly everybody on this scene from my experience enjoy themselves, are respectful and humble ( crackers too, a lot of us ) ... The concept of self promotion on the scene has always been regarded with suspicion as people in the scene for personal motives only have always been frowned upon...
I'm still confused as to what your real motives are for these posts, James. Have you a new night in the offing or trying to repair self- inflicted credibility damage. Social networking damaging the scene.. odd thought.. irrelevant I think.
I find your namechecking of venues like Stafford and Wigan that you never attended a bit bizarre too..
You resisted Northern for years telling Keb, myself, Ian and anyone who would listen how rubbish it was and how funk, then disco then rockabilly was more exciting.. Your real motivation has always been your overwhelming desire to be a top DJ on a scene, no matter what ...
I hope this post doesn't come across as a personal James bashing exercise, its not.. I just find it all a bit too anno domini JT and please remember me and my nights.. Get back to loving the music and loving this brilliant scene for all its plus points and more than that the legacy of incredible music the soul artists have left.. Peace !
Hey, a personal James Trouble personal bashing excercise is fine by me LOL.
It's just another one of the downsides to the Internet, Social Networking Sites and The Northern Soul Scene revolution mate. Character Assassination at the click of a mouse can be a potential hazard and cause a lot of stress if you're not careful.
I suffered a similar situation last year so I know what I'm talking about..........I believe I was called a 'chancer' by certain parties............
Ian D
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Has anyone on here got into 'the scene' through social network sites?
Absolutely James. The social network site that first alerted me to the beauty of Northern Soul was a hub in a place called Cleckheaton in West Yorkshire in the early 70's which had a Soul Night every Wednesday night.
However, in those days, they called Social Networking sites pubs.........
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James, I remember that night after Deep funk when we stayed at Keb's and you and Keb sat at his PC late into the next day whilst he 'educated you' about northern using Soulclub to point out the tunes you ought to be buying. It was a sort of strangely portentious Darth Vader/Frankenstein type scene : a monster being created right there at that computer, all done with a few clicks of a mouse.
Don't underestimate the power of the internet in creating tomorrow's nightclubbing monsters. 
Haha. Genius mate.
Sheer poetry and a perfect demonstration of the power of the Internet thus confirming the whole point that James was trying to make in the first place.........
Wow. Whatta thread...........
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A not very interesting post but it highlights some important points.
If old soul music was only listened to on ipods, computers and in cars there would be no society or culture surrounding it. I think most commentators on the Northern Soul Scene recognise that it is about more than just the music, it is socially and culturally more important than simply being about preserving old music for people to listen to in their cars or on the train while they slowly live out their mundane existance, before they die and are forgotten about, having contributed nothing but the taxes they pay to the society they live in.
That is the important theme of this thread. How does the internet and social networking sites contribute to, or degrade, what makes the "Northern Soul Scene" such a special place.
Hard for a Yank in a car to understand, maybe
Haha LOL. Those Yanks just don't have a clue do they?
Congratulations James. You've just created a new internet phenomenon called Anti-Social Networking and, boy, are you the guy to head it up!
Ian D
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It's just the reality of having to go through all that trouble to produce a boot which may sell a few hundred. Not worth it.
If you think about it, trying to replicate an original 60's record these days is akin to trying to replicate an original painting. There are just too many experts in this field for anyone to get away with it. If a painting is worth a few hundred grand then there's a real incentive to have a go but a record that's worth a grand or so probably doesn't justify the trouble IMO....
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