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    Is this the copy that was aledgedly 'lifted' from the Motown reference library ph34r.gif , If it is, and does go for 50K or more do you think that claims of rightful ownwership will be launched? :unsure:

    No, it's Ron Murphy's old copy which Kenny had which was apparently originally purchased from the owner of the pressing plant. Tim Brown's copy is the one which was 'liberated' from the Motown library. However, I believe the statute of limitations has run out (6 years I believe) and it would difficult to launch any kind of action I believe since that copy has gone through so many owners over the years......

    Ian D :wave:

    Most deejays on this scene started off as collectors anyway didn't they?

    There's a massive difference between 'serious' DJ's who nurture and break music and people who want to get behind the decks at any cost. If I I'm in a club, then gimme a DJ anyday - most serious DJ's I know are there for a good reason, namely, they know about tempos, working a crowd, building atmosphere and peaking the night at the right time.

    Collectors are often of a different mentality which doesn't always translate to a club full of people who want an electric atmosphere. I've spent many a pleasant night at collector's houses listening to tunes which they may be passionate about but which probably won't electrify a club full of people and that's the main difference.

    Maybe venues, should have a 'Collectors Room' whereby numerous collectors can try their tunes and do 30 minute sets before the next guy takes over - this would give collectors an opportunity to spread their tastes to a wider audience and maybe make the jump to the bigger rooms eventually?

    Ian D :unsure:

    Ady, could you explain what you're about for all the non-native speakers? Maybe by PM if it's too embarrassing or offensive :hypo:

    Looked like BJ's for the boys by the looks of it Benji.........or do you require further explanation? :wave:

    Ian D :yes:

    Her name is Janette, Ian. Bang into her crossover and sweet soul.

    I'd seen her playlist and wants list- both full of scarily expensive items. She's also got something to do with that Dave Mancuso party that gets put on occassionally in a bar in Shoreditch. Real interesting Character.

    I used to go in Cheapo Cheapo regularly but didn't really know what I was looking at half the time. Picked up four Eddie Kendricks LPs and a great Luther Ingram one on KoKo all mint for about a fiver once though!

    Yep, that's right! I knew someone on here would know her. She certainly knows her stuff. I usually bump into her at Rare Disco type events but haven't seen her for a year or two...........

    Ian D :wave:

    Ted had an opening night cheese and wine piss up for Rock On, I got a looking for you demo for £2 and a few weeks later a Darrell Banks on London for the same price.

    One hung over morning at Cheapo fellow barrow boy Dave, who knocked out dresses told me there was a brass plating (I know what he meant but don't know the rhyming slang; plates was for feet and it wasn't anything to do with that part of the body) market lads for free. Being a shy Harboro lad and not feeling at my most romantic at 11 am on a Wednesday morning, I declined.

    You see - another perk of the job. You'll tell me they actually paid you wages as well I suppose! :thumbup:

    Ian D :lol:

    When Soul Jazz put some Neptune sides out they licensed them from "Assorted Music" (d/b/a Philadelphia International Records) but they were all dubs, I think.

    G & H's lawyer Phil Asbury got a 'Thank You' on the credits for that SJ CD, but it was the same Phil Asbury that I had to deal with when I was overseeing the G & H release programme on Westside, and who would always skirt round the issue when I would ask him for calrification of ownership, and for the masters, that would enable me to do the Neptune/North Bay story.

    Yep, that sounds familiar. I even contacted G & H just recently to clarify something with a couple of early P.I. track through Sony and it was the usual brick wall.......

    I guess they made too much money LOL......

    Ian D :thumbup:

    Ian......she was, probably still is, a regular at Des Tousaints record fair in Kilburn....deffo a one off !!! Think she still owes me a tenner !!!

    Girf

    Cheers Girth! I was beginning to think I imagined it or it was another one of my sick fantasies LOL....

    I think plenty of dealers will know her - she kinda stands out doesn't she?

    Ian D :thumbup:

    I can remember opening boxes of multiples of "If You Want A Love Affair", "All Alone By The Telephone" etc., pricing them up at 20p and almost having to beg mates to buy them, by saying things like "you might not want it now, but you will one day..."

    I feel a 'Cheapo Cheapo Finds' thread coming on Tone........

    Also I loved it because you could generally bolster a nice collection of UK promos and oddball releases for 25p a pop as well because I presume plenty of Promotion guys used to drop stuff off there. It's certainly where I picked up things like Marva Hicks, Paul Kendrick, Skull Snaps, Johnny Williams, Darlene Love etc, etc. The biggest fun was getting back 'em back to Leeds and playing through 'em at home 'cos a lot of that stuff was promoted in London and seldom made their way out of the capital.

    I used to think you guys had the greatest job in the world back then 'cos I usually came down in the Summer and my memories are of you or Ady sat at the stall in the sunshine surrounded by 1000's of obscure records and 100's of random strippers and hookers.......naturally it'd be a different kettle of fish on a freezing, pissing down day in November but all in all not a bad gig to do your apprenticeships ay......?

    Ian D :lol:

    That was an erotic dream you had the other night.

    If only Ady. The lady in question is an affirmed lesbian by all accounts and not exactly to my preferred taste although she'd win hands down if I measured these things by record collections LOL......

    Ian D :lol:

    ...think we had close on 1000 copies upstairs in the storeroom at one point, Steve, it was the one record that you could always guarantee to find at least a couple of copies of in the stall stock somewhere!

    They came from John Anderson, as did a lot of Cheapo's stock in the mid 70s, and I'd be surprised if they cost Graham & John more than a penny each...

    I seem to remember multiple copies of "5 Minutes" - The Differences there as well Tony. I wish I'd have scooped up a few more of those back in the day........

    Ian D :thumbsup:

    Those were the days......notebooks with wants in......and they talk about anoraks today

    The last time I saw someone refer to a handwritten notebook was when I saw a striking-looking and rather eccentric elderly lady in Reckless records in Islington around 2004 frantically digging through the 7" box. I asked her what kind of stuff she was looking for and she went in her handbook and pulled out a thick notebook that had a few pages of her wants listed. The list was incredible - I didn't even know 50% of the titles. Then she showed me the pages with her collection listed and she had a phenomenal collection. Her favorite artist was Ty Karim and she had 'em all plus 100's of other obscurities. I checked with Jeremy behind the counter @ Reckless and everything she had was 100% for real. She'd often ring me @ Salsoul to ask if I knew something she was after and most of the time I didn't. Someone on here must know her...I've forgotten her name but there can't be that many 60+ eccentric old dears who collect obscure Soul but she was right up there with her knowledge. Anyone else bumped into her.........?

    Ian D :thumbsup:

    Gamble - tried to do this when I was at Westside and we had half of PIR. Some of the catalogue is owned by Sony, some isn't, but there are question marks all the way down the line as to who owns what, so it's not doable

    TONE

    Glenn @ 2 Entertain (aka Demon) claims that they have the rights to Gamble/Neptune/North Bay etc but the reality is that it'll be the usual pain in the ass to get any realistic communication flowing. I've personally given up on Gamble & Huff because I've never had any replies to any communications I've sent over the years. I don't think it's smooth sailing dealing with 'em either from what I've heard...........

    Ian D :thumbsup:

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    I just learned that Cheapo Cheapo in Berwick Street, London finally shuttered it's doors last week.

    Cheapo Cheapo was for many years in the late 60's/early 70's THE place where record hounds would congregate whenever they visited London. It was probably the main place in town where any collectors from the North would tend to head for, as there'd always be a few friendly faces and plenty of strippers hurrying between one strip club to another LOL.

    On any given visit in the 70's there'd generally be Rouncy, Ady, Ian Clark, Dave Rivers and other assorted Northern fans shooting the breeze and it almost felt like home from home in the middle of Soho, so definitely sad to see it go even though it had radically changed since the 70's.

    I can also remember with uncanny accuracy most of the records I picked up there for 25p apiece back in the day which included The Ideals, The Differences, The Vontastics, The Heartbreakers and loads of others. I can only imagine what Ady and Rouncy must have picked up there over the years..........

    Shame to see yet another iconic place go. I always used to get a real buzz whenever I got to Kings Cross and hit the tube for Piccadilly Circus 'cos I always I knew I'd find something there..........

    Ian D :rolleyes:

    Willie Johnson = Soulscape was working on that - then Willie went and released his own botched job - which took the icing off the cake.

    Clarence Reid = Henry Stone has done his own botched jobs - and approaching the major in UK for licensing is a waste of time cos as soon as anyone does it, they'll go release it themselves.

    Charles Brimmer = Soulscape working on this - but the licensing is a nightmare with New Orleans being the minefield it is and everyone and his dog claiming ownership - and 2 of the major players now dead, the chain of title is a mess.

    All in a days work Gary! :rolleyes:

    Ian D :lol:

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    So many great people on here. I agree with all the guys mentioned.

    Another Couple who should be mentioned. One is Geoff, who is on here as Geoff. ;-)

    For stories about the Mod clubs in the sixties, and the music played at certain London venues Geoff is an interesting and understated chronicler of that era.

    And talking of Geoff - myself and Alan Champ will have the pleasure of interviewing him on Alan Champ's show on www.starpointradio.com on Saturday 12th April between 3.00-5.00pm.

    I'm absolutely fascinated with the early to mid 60's London Mod scene and I sometimes curse myself for being, 1) too young and 2) from up North at the time. Having met Geoff a couple of times, I'm really looking forward to grilling him on the show, especially about the Scene, the Bag O Nails, the Flamingo etc, etc. Any SS'ers who have any questions for Geoff should PM me and I'll make sure I ask him.

    I think it's important to get as much verifiable info as possible about the birth of Mod culture and the early R'n'B scene in the U.K. and Geoff will be a font of knowledge about this era. The show will be downloadable and will be posted on S.S. as soon as we've done it, so once again, anyone who has any questions for Geoff should let me know soonish......

    How's that for service LOL? :thumbsup:

    Best,

    Ian D :D

    Ian

    Did you bother to try and contact anyone . . . . regional newspapers etc. . . . in Owosso??

    MB

    LOL, strangely enough Owosso hasn't been top of my priorities - it's been murder just trying to organise the BBC but hopefully things are beginning to accelerate now........

    John did a live piece on BBC Radio Leicester last week as well plus a nice article in Record Collector coming up this week. Trying for Paul O'Grady as well.......

    Ian D biggrin.gif

    Its all the anoraks on here who in my opinion forget where they come from, Musically speaking, bet 90% of them danced to it in the past. Got my hard hat n flak jacket on tongue.gif

    Steve

    Also let's not forget that when it was discovered was during a period when some real drek was being played so it was like a throwback to the golden era and a classic Northern Motown tune in every sense of the word. In '78 that would have seemed like manna from heaven amongst amidst some of pop stuff that was masquerading as Northern Soul at the time.........

    Ian D :thumbup:

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    Well I was still in recovery mode from the previous evening's high jinks @ Monumental with Nicky, Nelly, Gareth, Mole and the rest of the gang so no surprise that the whole show went by in a complete blur LOL.......

    ......so it was another glorious Sunday afternoon party @ Starpoint Towers as ex Original Mastercuts show co-host Alan Champ joined me for another two hours of glorious music as we see the first glimpses of what will be a brilliant Summer this year........

    ........and this, of course, is reflected in the music! As per usual the time just zipped by so time to kick back and listen again at leisure so heeeeere's the download folks........

    Six Million Steps Presents The Original Mastercuts Show with Ian Dewhirst and special guest Alan Champ on Sunday 29th March 2009 on www.starpointradio.com.

    To download the show simply hit the link below! Or for this and all archived shows please pay a visit to www.sixmillionsteps.com where you can download the last 4 weeks worth of all Six Million Steps produced shows. That's 16 hours of free music over the last 4 weeks plus loads of new fully downloadable KILLER mixes in a variety of styles!

    So let's go with this week's show:-

    1st Hour

    Deborah Cox/Bah Samba - It's Over Now/Let The Drums Speak - Slumdog Remix

    David Bendeth - Feel The Real - Jazz N' Groove Remix

    83 West feat Kenny Bobien - When

    Rodeo Jones - Natural World

    The Love Unlimited Orchestra/Kanye West - Welcome Aboard/Love Lockdown Atomix Mix

    Michael Wycoff - Looking Up To You

    Jermaine Jackson - You Like Me Don't You

    Rick James - Make Love To Me

    Teddy Pendergrass - Joy

    2nd Hour

    Jr Walker & The All-Stars - What Does It Take (To Win Your Love For Me)

    David Ruffin - What You Gave Me

    Chairmen Of The Board - Bless Your Heart

    Betty Swanne - When The Game Is Played On You

    Tutu Jones - Just Can't Leave Your Love Alone

    Walter Jackson - Let Me Come Back

    Zulema - I Want To Be Where You Are

    Ronnie Dyson - When You Get Right Down To It

    Rufus - Stop On You

    Maxwell - Ascension (Don't Ever Wonder)

    R. Kelly - Happy People

    Faith Evans - Love Like This

    Alicia Keys - Karmastition

    https://www.sixmillionsteps.com/6MS-2009-03-29-Starpoint.mp3

    Many thanks to Alan for keeping me suitably lubricated throughout the show. Don't forget next week we have the illustrious Simon M guesting and selecting for the whole show. Not to be missed!

    See y'all next week!

    Best,

    Ian D :lol:

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