Ian Dewhirst
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if a third copy as turned up then the value as dropped as it would now be as rare as the mello souls which manship values at £10,000 and is by far a better record
Well, 'better' is a subjective term speedlimit.
As good as the Mello Souls is, Frank Wilson has 32 years of history behind it and a much wider audience. It's also one of the Motown 'holy grails' and has crossed-over from the Northern scene to a wide international audience. Also there are several high-end dedicated collectors who want the record because of it's general history and rarity whereas Mello Souls hasn't quite reached that rarified level of exposure yet.
Give the Mello Souls another 30 years and see if any more than 3 copies turn up and then you could be talking!
Ian D
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so whats best then - stuck in a temperature controlled display case, whilst a cd version is played in to the adjacent headphones, with an audio history, or being carted all over the country being played to 150 northern soul fans on a dodgy turntable every saturday?
Preserve it.
You can't have it both ways unfortunately. All the collectors and DJ's want MINT records and if a record has even slight wear it reduces it's value and if it's been played regularly it can half in value, so how can a record maintain it's value and audio clarity if it gets hammered to death?
I cried when a record deck ruined my beautiful Morris Chestnut in 1974! I doubt if it's even audible now unless the present owner likes hearing it through a sea of hiss and crackle. There's plenty of other options these days, so why devalue what's left of the decent copies?
I think the chances of the 3rd copy going to a regular DJ are minimal to be honest - it will probably go to a serious high-end specialist collector, a well-healed fan, a commercial operation or someone who wants to invest in the history of the record.
Ian D
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Phew, does no one buy albums anymore LOL? I've just slashed 20-30% across all titles so grab 'em before they get listed elsewhere.......
All artist albums worth owning @ nice prices! Plus FREE POSTAGE on any order over £20.00 - which equates to aproximately a 20% discount!
Angelo Bond "Bondage" US ABC Promo ABCD 889 VG+ (writing on cover but vinyl perfect) £8.00
Lou Courtney "I'm In Need Of Love" UK Soul Brother LP SBCS 2 M £6.00
Lamont Dozier "Right There" UK Warner Bros BS 2929 M £8.00
Lamont Dozier "Lamont" US M&M MM 104AE M £8.00
The Dramatics "Best Of The Dramatics" UK Stax STX 1047 M- £10.00
The Dramatics "The Dramatic Jackpot" US ABC ABCD 867 M £8.00
The Dramatics "Drama V" US ABC ABCL 5150 VG+ £8.00
The Four Tops "Greatest Hits" UK Tamla Motown STML 11061 G £4.00
Aretha Franklin "Ten Years Of Gold" US Atlantic SD 18204 M £6.00
Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell "Greatest Hits" European Tamla Motown WL72103 M £5.00
Al Green "Greatest Hits" UK London SHU 8481 M £6.00
Al Green "Call Me" UK London SHU 8457 M £8.00
Al Green "Al" UK Beechwood Music Promo AGREELP 1 M £4.00
Donny Hathaway "The Best Of Donny Hathaway" UK Atlantic K50525 M £10.00
Loleatta Holloway "Loleatta" UK Salsoul SZS 5513 £10.00
Honey Cone "Soulful Tapestry" US Hot Wax HA 707 VG+ (tear on gatefold border but otherwise OK) £10.00
The Isley Brothers "Super Hits" UK Tamla Motown STMA 8024 M (with brilliant Motown 45 Sleeve) £8.00
Millie Jackson "Caught Up" UK Polydor 2391 147 VG+ £5.00
Millie Jackson "Still Caught Up" UK Polydor 2391 183 VG+ £5.00
Millie Jackson "Free & In Love" UK Polydor 2391 215 VG (slight kink in sleeve but otherwise OK) £8.00
Janice "Janice" US Fantasy MPF 4523 M £6.00
Eddie Kendricks "At His Best" UK Tamla Motown Promo STML 12080 M £8.00
Gladys Knight & The Pips "Everybod Needs Love" UK Tamla Motown STMS 5039 M- £12.00
Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes - "Don't Leave Me This Way" UK CBS Embassy Promo SCBS 31600 M £6.00
The Miracles "City Of Angels" UK Tamla Motown STML 12010 M- £6.00
Moment Of Truth "Moment Of Truth" US Salsoul SZS 5509 M £12.00
The O'Jays "Full Of Soul" US Sunset SUS 5222 M- (contains "Hold On", "Working On Your Case" etc) £8.00
The O'Jays "In Philadelphia" UK Epic SEPC 65469 VG+ (contains "One Night Affair", "Looky Looky", "Deeper" etc - plain white sleeve) £8.00
The O'Jays "Collectors Items: Greatest Hits" UK Philadelphia International SPIR 86058 M £4.00
Freda Payne "Deeper & Deeper" UK HDH HDH LP 005 M £5.00
Ann Peebles "I Can't Stand The Rain" UK London SHU 8468 M £8.00
David Ruffin "At His Best" UK Tamla Motown Stickered Promo STML 12079 M £8.00
Gil Scott-Heron & Brian Jackson "The Bottle" UK Audio Fidelity AFEMP 1017 M (Heavyweight Vinyl) £15.00
Joe Simon "Love Vibrations" US Spring SP -1-6720 VG+ £4.00
Skull Snaps "Skull Snaps" US GSF GSF-S-1011 G (contains "I'm Your Pimp", "My Hang Up Is You" & "Didn't I Do That To You" - cover split @ seams) £50.00
Sly & The Family Stone "Dance To The Music" US Epic E 30334 M (contains orig version of "I'll Never Fall In Love Again") £8.00
Edwin Starr "Soul Master" UK Tamla Motown TML 11094 VG (all the Ric Tic Goodies & "My Weakness Is You") £8.00
The Supremes "A' Go-Go" European Tamla Motown WL 72072 M £4.00
Johnny Taylor - "Chronicle 1968-1972" UK Stax STM 7001 (contains all the Don Davis hits) M £8.00
The Temptations "Anthology" (2LP) UK Tamla Motown Stickered Promo TMSP 6003 M £8.00
The Temptations "All The Million Sellers" US Motown M5-212V1 M £4.00
Jr Walker & The All-Stars "Hot Shot" US Soul S6-745S1 (produced by Brian Holland for HDH productions!) £8.00
Jackie Wilson "Greatest Hits" UK Brunswick BRLS 3004 M £8.00
Bobby Womack "Bobby Womack's Greatest Hits" US United Artists UA-LA346G M £6.00
Bobby Womack "Greatest Hits" US Liberty LN 10171 M £6.00
Bobby Womack "Somebody Special" UK Liberty Stickered Promo EG26 0250 1 M £6.00
Bobby Womack "The Poet" UK Motown STML 12168 M £8.00
Bobby Womack "The Poet 2" US Beverly Glen BG 10003 M £8.00
Betty Wright "Danger High Voltage" US Alston A 4400 G (cover spine split and record worn but plays OK hence the price) £6.00
Betty Wright " I Love The Way You Love" US Alson A 77002 M (contains "If You Love Me") £10.00
UK & NORTHERN IRELAND
LPs £3.00 and £1.00 each thereafter.
EUROPE
LPs £4.00 and £1.50 thereafter
UNITED STATES & REST OF WORLD
LPs £5.50 and £2.50 thereafter.
All records will be shipped in a well-packaged professional standard cardboard record mailer
PM me for orders.
Best,
Ian D
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comp cd the champion willie mithchell
a few here Spike.....
https://www.amazon.com/Hi-Masters-Willie-Mi...l/dp/B00000AEPU
Ian D
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Just before this thread goes completely away from the original topic...
Has anyone seen this 45 as a stock copy?
Mine is a demo also!
No, can't say I have but isn't GSF such a great label? I've always liked most stuff on GSF - a real New York indie with attitude I think.
Always loved the Wendell Watts too. Got it off Levine in the late 70's - such atmosphere on the record!
Ian D
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I had an auntie and uncle ,Elsie and Tommy ,wwo lived in Mirfield. Not a real Auntie and Uncle , just family friends, they stayed in a cul.de.sac. and they had a friend called Eric who bred budgies. Do you know them.
Would that be Eric "The Budgie Man" I wonder.......?
No 'fraid not A.R.B. I don't get back there so much these days I'm afraid.....
Ian D
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This is a bizarre spot because Ral Donner was played in 78 not 77 everywhere else - Danny Monday and Billy Woods had both been bootlegged in 1976 - Herbert Hunter was bootlegged in early 77 - Burning Bush was a 78 spin - only Joey Heatherton was a 77 discovery and that was pressed in April 77
I could have sworn I heard Ginger play Burning Bush @ Cleethorpes in '76.............
I'm pretty sure Russ was first on Eddie Foster/Frank Wilson though......
Ian D
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And I photocopied it in the secretariat department of Mapperley Hospital. Someone mentioned it being initialled "OK" by Norm W? Jonathans was definitely marked in such a way - I wonder who spilt the coffee on it? does that make it more valuable than one without?
RB
Depends on whose coffee it was - please see estimated values below:-
Frank Wilson's Coffee + £5,000
Berry Gordy's Coffee + £4,500
Norman Whitfield's Coffee + £3,000
Les McCutcheon's Coffee + £2,000
Kev Robert's Coffee + £1,500
Johnathan Woodliffe's Coffee + £1,000
Secretary @ Mapperley Hospital's Coffee - £1,000
Accidental McDonald's Spillage - £5,000
Ian D
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Get your facts right Ian, its 8 days. He left on Sat. I saw the record Wed before he left.
No apology needed, just send a cheque instead!
I'd rather apologise if you don't mind Andy. Sorry, you are of course completely correct. Damn, this is getting complicated now LOL......where do we stand on the dosh front now............?
Ian D
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Just another thought... it cant be hard to fake a copy in this day and age and make it look authentic surely... for the prices being banged about on here and in Manships book its gotta be tempting... Im an artist I may have a bash!
LOL, it'd never happen Family Tree. Too many super-sleuths on here plus the whole label-printing world and vinyl manufacturing has changed massively since the mid 60's and it would be impossible to replicate Frank Wilson for numerous reasons. An example: when I was at Simply Vinyl I wanted to replicate Cream's "Disreali Gears" album artwork. Couldn't do it - 'Day-Glo' doesn't exist anymore!
Still I admire your criminal enterprise. Wanna have a crack at some Bearer Bonds?
Ian D
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Tim text me last night with that info
The text clearly stated he had sold it, the price and location
call him
Must be a different Tim then! The Tim Brown I know has an aversion to all things technical and wouldn't know how to text to save his life. Besides, he's been in Florida for the last 10 days and I doubt he even has his mobile with him.......
Ian D
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Unbelievable!
The curse of the ORIGINAL MASTERCUTS Show struck again today with our special guest Paul Thrower en route to the show when his 6 month old Saab suddenly died on him 20 miles North of Chichester. Luckily the AA arrived a couple of hours later, towed the car and got him home OK!
So, Paul will now be appearing on the show on Sunday 22nd February which will be one week before Chi-Soul which is on Saturday 28th February! Pending any further mishaps we should get this highly anticipated show then folks!
In the meantime, I got the show together the old way, namely, with lollipop sticks, rubber bands and plenty of great music.......
Six Million Steps Presents The Original Mastercuts Show with Ian Dewhirst on Sunday 8th February 2009 on www.starpointradio.com.
To download the show simply hit the link below! Or for this and all archived shows please pay a visit to www.sixmillionsteps.com where you can download the last 4 weeks worth of all Six Million Steps produced shows. That's 16 hours of free music over the last 4 weeks plus loads of new fully downloadable KILLER mixes in a variety of styles!
So let's go with this week's show:-
1st Hour
Ashford & Simpson - Found A Cure (Tom Moulton Remix)
Flora Cruz - Overcome
Michael Watford - So Into You (Smack Mix)
Outburst Coalition feat Gary L - Help Me
Alexander O'Neal - All True Man (Frankie Knuckles Remix)
Mighty 7 - Call Me
Mink - You Were The One (Too Late)
Masterplan - Loving, Living, Laughing
Roberta Gilliam - All I Want Is My Baby
2nd Hour
Ila Vann - Can't Help Loving That Man
Lee Andrews - I've Had It
The Delfonics - You'll Get Enough
The Pretenders - I Wanna Be
Dave Love - Colalined Baby
Garland Green - Ain't That Good Enough
Voices Of East Harlem - Wanted Dead Or Alive
Lee Garrett - You're My Everything
Gloria Scott - What Am I Gonna Do
The Moments - Sweet, Sweet Lady
Jeanie Reynolds - The Fruit Song
Flowers - For Real
Robert Upchurch - The Devil Made Me Do It
Tommy McGhee - Now That I Have You
J.P. Rogers Jr - All My Lovin'
https://www.sixmillionsteps.com/6MS-2009-02-08-Starpoint.mp3
Thanks to all for listening!
Best,
Ian D
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God , those nights in Mirfield must have been dull .......
Malc Burton
Well, compared to the pimp world which the Skull Snaps inhabited I guess it was a bit dull Malc......
Quite exciting when the neighbours dog escaped once though.......
And I once saw this guy fall over coming out of The White Swan - that was certainly a night to remember!
Ian D
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We certainly did Ollie! I mean Ian...
I had heard "My hang up" played covered as the O'jays somewhere or other, and literally the next day I found a mint UK copy on a local market stall for 35p! Gave it my mate when I got the album "'cos i didn't need it anymore". (Sigh).
When I first heard "I'm your pimp" announced I really couldn't believe I'd heard it right, very shocking for a well bought up boy. As your tales of danger and excitement with Mr Soussan have been I might add.
Best,
RB
LOL, I spent many a long time analysing the lyrics of "I'm Your Pimp" in Mirfield, Yorkshire wondering what the hell it was all about.
Within 5 minutes of arriving in Manhattan and going to the 'old' Times Square in New York it made perfect sense LOL....
Ian D
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Not as daft as it sounds Ian.
Just think of the media hype if Hirsty outbid Weller for it & then went on to encase the worlds most expensive record in formaldahide & passed it off as a work of art
Be worth millions then if it ever came up for sale again
Actually I was being serious Cunnie. It's right up Damien's street mate. He's very good at turning expensive things onto 'objets d'art' and then flogging 'em to oil-rich Saudis who get a serious tax-break if they buy something for billions and host it in Saudi Arabia!
It's not beyond the realm of possibilities that Frank Wilson could be displayed in a diamond-encrusted frame with a multi-million price tag attached to it (cue streams of arab laden helicoptors flying to Damien's private heliport in Stroud to view Frank Wilson), which will then vanish to Saudi Arabia and be hung next to a diamond-encrusted skull.
Obviously we can't allow this happen, so the obvious solution is for all members of Soul Source to chip-in £100 apiece and own their own personal percentage of Frank Wilson! Each member will then receive a bonded certificate of ownership which they can frame and display above their own mantlepieces!
Ian D
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Confirmed, I was also there last week...... Reference was made to April fool.... maybe thats just what it is !!!! Lots and lots of hype, a great, no fantastic piece of marketing and PR, lots of Motown collectables to be sold re the 50th Anniversary, DILY watches, clocks, T-shirts, mugs..... blah de blah.... Gone Fishing....hook, line and sinker.
With the best will in the world Philly, John has a reputation to protect and I don't he'd stoop to such tactics - an April fool joke would almost certainly rebound on him I think.....
However, I think T-Shirts will be done 'cos he'd be crazy not to and I think the only way someone will be able to buy the limited-edition T-Shirt is to actually register a bid for the record, thus giving John a shot at not only the most expensive Soul record of all time but also the greatest number of bidders! Game plan is to get Frank Wilson into the Guinness Book Of Records where he belongs!
Ian D
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I know them both myself ian and i dont deal in chump change, still not biteing thou if theres one being sold by john its kennys .
Mmmm . Do I detect the slightest frisson of doubt from the previously bombastic tone of yesterday I ask myself? It's 10.00am Sunday morning and no doubt someone's managed to track Kenny down but the thread's not exactly full of "I spoke To Kenny last night and he definitively confirmed that he will in fact be cremated and Frank Wilson will not be going in the coffin with him" etc, etc.....
Damn. I was relying on that quick grand to upgrade to a luxury chalet and scour the cathouses of Prestatyn........
Ian D
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Intriguing... and your right you couldnt make it up!.. hey so thats two movies that would be killers.. the Soussan one and the Frank one... both of which you would get a part in! back to Hollywood for you ?... think on! ha x
Yep, Warners, Fox and Dreamworks all vying for the Soussan one and HBO for "Anatomy Of An Auction: The Strange And Compelling Story Of Frank Wilson" 'cos we need to go a bit highbrow for the documentary...........
Ian D
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My fave from that album is "No One Can Love You Like I Do". Still think that's a beaut..........
Ian D