Jem Britttin

Well you wanna play some proper Norman Sole not that Motown rubbish

Believe me Winnie theres a lot more poor taste pop soul where that came from

If i was gonna stretch the truth would try and make myself younger Len , maybe cool Stafford Goer or something, no never went unfortunately. I have to admit i got into the scene at arguably one of its worst periods spencer soul bags white socks and Muriel Day were the order of the day for me

Quite easy really check out my profile born 1963 cousin sneeked me into St Ives when i was 13 so late 76/77, remember a lot of lads were wearing those patchwork jean baggies then.

Yes and i forgive you for nicking this of me a soul in the bowl "main room classic"

Interesting topic Pete and if we are all honest suppose we are all a bit guilty of what your describing. I grew up in a house where my older sister was a original Mod girl so growing up remember hearing Kinks Motown etc., my older brother was a Skinhead/ Suede Head, so Reggae/ Ska and my younger sister was into Rock My Cousin introduced me to Northern Soul and i was hooked immediately by the music. I can remember defending it to death at a time when most people including my siblings ridiculed the music, clothes and scene as naff circa 1976/77 think people forget that , as now outsiders view Northern Soul as retro cool. So like you I was guilty of being a N.Soul snob. Think most would agree those times 76/77 where strange , Golden era over etc.pop influenced "newies" stuff coming through, which even as a impressionable teenager i found a bit naff, although some good then modern soul stuff emerging . I found myself more often than not in oldies rooms where i was listening to what i now know was 60s club classics, met Glen Bellamy who educated me in this stuff. Coming full circle my eldest son 23 is heavily into rare motown and soul which has filtered down, In the end I suppose all the dots have been joined and now i listen to and have a healthy respect for all the genres not sure about the rock thing though

Purely coincidentley just got this through the post this morning but on uk chess 8102. reason being dug my us original cadet styrene copy out the other day.... hadnt played it for ages..reminded me that i was never happy with the sound quality ...uk copy good quality vinyl sounds perfect gives a whole new pleasure to playing it. This to me is what owning records is about getting the best possible recording you can and a big reason that i prefer owning originals......But going by the rules some suggest the uk copy could be classed as a re issue? Anyway for those who might visit our venue where i could play it please dont walk out in disgust if you here it thinkling its a re issue.. cos i shall be playing the us cadet copy and saving the chess one for the ultimate sound experience at home

Well Len to you and all the other purists if thats the case then you should be seeking out the master tapes and playing them out not sure how you would plug them into the amp etc though sorry mate see ya later

Im not having a DIG at anyone, just asking questions thats what forums are for, I Have a few thousand original soul records myself and know what motivates me to own them was just enquiring what others thought. Why would i know anything about record publishing companies I just buy records someone else raised the point that artists were not getting paid or being paid for uk re issues, I mereley commented on it,

Again wasnt aimed at you. I just find it interesting that a point was made concerning artists getting paid/ not getting paid and buy people extolling the virtues of buying ovo may be linked as a mark of respect . When in fact it transpires that they may have recieved royalties from uk reissues in the 70s ....suppose its just a bit ironic....you play ovo for the reasons you stated ...fair play

Now you know thats not true terry...its more than 2 miles away from me

Whoa there boy, wasnt aimed personally at you was an answer to the general point being made ....spend what you like on what you like . I posed the question to some one else. What is your motivation for buying ovo? thats all and really as yet havent had an answer...incidentley i buy ovo in most cases because the sound quality is superior and i like listening to it not cos i want to dj with it. I do proffessional djing at non Northern Soul events so certainly not desperate to dj at a northern soul night ...plenty of people around to take care of that Best Jem

yes

ha ha but really these reissues are in lots of cases just later represses very often from the same pressing plate just re labled.... so they are authentic....sorry but its reality not terminology im talking about

ok then so lets get this right ...what is being advocated is the artist that sang the tune is getting nothing, just one off payment then record companies cashing in ? and this bothers some people today , well here is a suggestion stop spending thousands of pounds on ovo. buy a reissue(ligit off course) cos you really like the record ??... so your "right on" and got some credentials left, then send the change from your grand to the artist or the family if they are no longer with us.

Im sure if they were proper business people they were in it to make a profit (nothing wrong in that) but if it was done legitimatley and above board then surely said artists would have got something for it down the line, unless we are saying that pye and the like were total charlatans, never been in the record industry myself so wouldnt know , but at least this way they stood a chance with a illegal boot leg zero chance, plus any royalties they may of recieved from the us release im sure would have long gone if we are to believe the stories

Interesting point Kegsy...so really in respect to those often unsung artists we should have all opted for ligit uk re issues back then least they may have got some of their just deserts then....well i got loads of disco demand stuff i bought new so i done my bit

Hi Pete, just a question not a pop, you seem pretty dogmatic in your approach (100% original vinyl) as the F.W. situation suggests. You adverise A.T.B. night , so if i came along and requested say Frankie Beverley - Thats what i wanted or Majestics - I love her so much would i expect to hear it on Sassy/ Gamble or Linda/ WB in both cases one came before the other just wondered what your policy would be on them

In direct relation to original question and not wishing to drag in the inevitable OVO Northern Soul record debate. The answer has to be any legitimate release sanctioned by the publishing company. They are the people that hold the legal rights so while it may have been released earlier a re release wether US or UK is still valid in my opinion. I do have a question for people that advocate O V O ..what is your motivation for doing so ? is it a respect thing for the artist ensuring they get royalties assuming they are still alive?, a deep respect for record label owners? or merely just a personal preference? and should you rename your policy as F.R.V.O (first release vinyl only) just to avoid confusion All this can be taken to extremes for example I collect Britiish release Soul 45s was Djing a while back and someone had requested Frankie Valli The Night.. planned on playing it as my first record however dj i was taking over from said "no problem got it covered gonna end with it" fine.. however noticed His was UK mowest 3024 and mine was first release 3002...I could have punched His effing lights out ....not really couldnt give monkeys

All seems a bit complicated to me, I dj locally birthdays weddings etc. for the ammount of time your looking at i would charge £100. Not all djs are gonna know about northern soul . even if you supply tracks etc. if they have never heard them then they are gonna struggle to craft together a good set for you. Might be better to reconsider your venue and get a dj in that knows what they are doing.

Think one point has been overlooked on this subject, years ago when pubs clubs etc. were doing ok, a lot of them wouldnt give those strange "Northern Soul types" the time of day if they wanted to book a room . However times have changed now and these club etc. are desperate to survive in many cases. I have been approached by 2 venues this year with the view to holding nights there...declined both as didnt feel there was room in the area and the venues werent right. Does show though that its not just wanna be djs etc. fuelling this problem, people are being offered an easy platform to stage an event, wether they are cut out for it or not, which wasnt the case years back Im sure Len will recount some of the issues He had with the Embankment in the early days.