Tomangoes
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no need to take offence, ok then since you asked LOL modern rooms tacked onto a northern room will be empty, generally. the northern scene is a noose around the neck of modern soul. nothing wrong with the northern scene in the uk, or the great 60's music often played, but as long as you try and tell people its a 'progression' from 60's, you're on a loser. its not progression, it's something else entirely. wanna get more people in? forget appealing to the 60's scene who are happy thanks with their own era of music, and try and advertise and pull people who don't care if it's on a rare acetate they bought for £800 or a fridge magnet, like other music apart from soul, such as funk, latin, house, etc. and play what is termed as modern soul be it 70's or new or inbetween. alternatively carry on having the same ludicrous arguments about it all. but above all enjoy yourself or its pointless. and make mine a babycham. IMHO.
I agree that lots of folks are happy to listen to music from their youth and really do not want to know about anything new. Thats a nostalgia scene and is a big part of todays growth in soul nights.
There has also always been a progressive scene who appreciate new music right from the Mecca and beyond.
The middle ground is where most people are, and if good soul dance records are played from whatever era, they will buy into it.
It is a bit crazy to play the Carstairs/Lenny Hutton/3rd time around etc in a modern room as they are mainstream. Modern rooms if seperate to a tradional room on the same event will always be less full for at least some of the time because new sounds are probably being heard and its not likely that its going to fill the dancefloor.
Even back in the 70s, if a new record got played, it did not always fill the dancefloor straight away.
As the modern records get accepted and brought into the mainstream like Angie Stone/Clarence Carter etc suddenly the dancefloor is packed.
Its just a side effect of playing un familiar records and no more.
Ed
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True story.
Sat night Whitby Pavillion.
Upstairs, general soul music, not bad, dancefloor fair to middling. Spent most of the night here as opposed to the 'Northern Room' to please the 'once a year we go to a soul night' mob I had gone with.
A few folks getting very drunk, and I'm not far behind them.
Late on a very attractive lady in very revealing costume starts to dance in the middle of the dance floor in a very provocotive way, the Bouncer comes on to the dance floor and tells her to 'calm down' I think (or maybe to ask for her mobile number). The lady takes no notice and carries on, bringing the male dancing fraternity to a halt whilst observing this 'new dance'.
If this is going to be a regular thing at soul nights, my dancing days may be limited.........
Ed
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Considering how many 70s records that have been played at one time or another, there is no excuse for any tune being overplayed.
DJs should put any record thats been played to the back of the box, and then it should take a good 6 months before it pops up again, forcing fresh playlists every time.
Same thing should apply to 60ts also.
You know, play the top 500 backwards now and again.
Think of it like those Arab Princes with 100 members of his harem, poor lad has to give em all a spin now and again. It must be a hard life for them lads.
Ed
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Are these actions common in todays scene?
I thought the art of 'Northernsouldjoneupmanship' had been left behind in the late 70s early 80s.
You must have lost your marbles stopping the record half way through.
Did you tell this story at the start of your spot, or just wait to tell it through a 'safer media'
I bet Rob Thomas is brickin it, but next time youre both on the same bill, Im sure it can be resolved.
Kick off your spot with the Gospel Classics............. And Rob Thomas can start with Ron Holden..........
Ed
By the way, its true that Muriel Day was played at last weekends Whitby soul weekender, but I suspect it was an original, so that makes it OK.
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Thanks Paul/Sue, leaving Solar was never about my lack of commitment, interest or passion to do it rather more to do with funding which you know more than most, onwards and upwards and again thanks for your support in advance........now to plan the first show.....what to play?????? watch this space.
Regards - Mark Bicknell.
I hope they give you a record buying allowance as well as a salary, only a fool works for nowt.
Ed
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Malc you must have been or at least remembered the Scarborough weekenders in the 70s. I went to my first at Easter 1976. I think they run at least 2 years ealier.
Based around the Four Seasons nightclub (Later Rudies), I think owned by John Rhona?, who was a soul fan I think and various Djs including Paul Temple, they had a Friday night, Sat night, Sunday all dayer, Monday all dayer AND THEY WERE PACKED EVERY BANK HOLIDAY.
In between there was the Salisbury Inn, Rangers supporters club, and Pickwick pub, to relax in and the odd scrap later on with the rockers on the front.
Records that stood out good or bad 'Voltaire Pier - CB' and 'I got it - NYPA'.
Magic times.
Ed
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A strike like this will only open the doors to private mail service providers. They will be 'larfing ones cocks orf'.
I used to be a miner, and it did'nt work for us.
Funny story though: A few weeks ago, me a few mates were in Tenerife and after a few beers one night, headed towards JAZZIMO, a sort of Soul/Motown cabaret bar. Anyway as we walked up to the door, this bloke come up to us and said he and a few of the staff were on strike and requested we did not cross the picket line.
As you can imagine, we did not go in and being in the mood, helped the cause by becoming 'flying pickets' and helping the strikers pursuade other revellers to stay away. Great fun, but seriously crossing a picket line is not an option.
Good luck to the Posties, but with so much cheap labour about, beware and dont be surprised if you get replaced sooner rather than later.
Ed
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I'm all for a good energetic jump around but that music is truly horrendous and makes me actually feel like I am going to die! Well, I am going to die sometime of course but that repellent sound makes me think my demise is imminent and it will indeed be a blessed relief!
I think to enjoy this kind of music you need to be off your head, one way or another.
Think positive, it gives you a good enogh reason to get off you head, one way or another.
Ed
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This is the "Chav Dance"; the music makes me want to become a Burmese Monk! I hate it so much to the point of unbearable!!!
The kids, the Chavs, I think are brilliant and the best thing since sliced bread. We are all too quick to criminalise some young scrote just for wearing a hood or hanging around the shops. Once you get past the initial shock horror of no eye contact and slouched shoulders they are ok. We have always had idiots and hooligans, most of us on this forum aint what society would have classed as "normal" when we where sneaking off to our secret soul clubs!
The youth of today never fails to inspire me, I used to watch them move around the barracks like Shaun of the dead then become lions each time we went to war. Mums n dads be proud.
Whoops went off on one a bit there, back to the dancing.............. diddle dee dee dee dib dee diddle dee dee dee dib dee diddle dee dee dee dib dee diddle dee dee dee dib dee diddle dee dee dee dib dee diddle dee dee dee dib dee diddle dee dee dee dib dee diddle dee dee dee dib dee diddle dee dee dee dib dee
Luves it!
Great feet!! You are right about the young kids though, they just need direction, and in this case musically educating.
Maybe there should be a 'free Northern soul night' so they can see what its all about, but I think the DJs would have to playe the 100mph stompers like the Triumphs and Flaming Emeralds to get them dancing. Cant see em taking to the more popular slower stuff played today.
Ed
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According to my 20 year old daughter, this style of dancing is common with the 'CHAV' scene.
You know, they wear flash designer clothes, like to show off, and come from a working class background, have lots of 'attitude'.
Wait a minute, that was our scene 30 odd years ago, cheeky getz.
Now where did I put my Henry Lloyd baseball cap...............If you cant beat em, join em.
Ed
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Assuming the chosen one would have been around 40 years ago and still around now, and have been influencial during the whole time, it shortens the list down.
There have been many icons who have had a good 10 year stretch, but the full 40?
Having only been 'on the scene' for about 31 of the last 40 years, I suppose I cannot really have a vote, but some names seem to have done the whole bit like Minshull & Evison.
I think if Edwin Starr was still with us he would have been a good contender.
Ed
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Here's A Challenge
in All About the SOUL
Like all venues Wigan would have had its 'peak time' when it was the place to be, probably 1974/5.
I only went half a dozen times, and all those were after 1977, and it was OK.
Dont forget when some of the shiite was played, it filled the floors, so it must have got a few punters happy. Our mob went to Cleethorpes coz it was easy to go by train, and thinking back we loved the likes of Rain- Out of my mind, Peggy March - If you loved me, and Jeanette Harper - Pick me up, so I think no venue was totally 'pop free', maybe just that Wigan made more of it with the spin offs etc.
Event Promoters dont only do promoting for the love of the music, never have and even today never will.
Remember the Fife Piper/Scratchy/and Little Queenie all got played at the start of the so called Northern Soul Scene, before Wigan was opened and they are PONY in terms of sweet Detroit influenced soul music.
I would agree that Wigan brought more people into this scene than any other, before or after.
Ed