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Thanks for your wisdom Robb,it is appreciated. Now my quest begins. In the next few years I will be riding a Harley Davidson on Route 66 in the States,i will be starting in New York though, i will try to gather some evidence there and possibly find some clues along the way,it make take some time,but with some luck and good fortune hopefully answers may exist. Thanks again, Ron.

Based on everything that you have said and your vast experience in this field,would you say that it is a legitimate 2nd press?. I am just trying to find an answer here Robb,i wasn't ignoring information deliberately,please correct me if i am wrong, information around the orange label record has been and is still vague,i am very passionate about Tamala Lewis and this track and i am trying to get the truth,i don't wish to offend you or anyone else on the subject and apologise if i have. As the saying goes "it can be a rocky road" to find what you are looking for,if there is an injustice on the orange record then i want to know. All the best to you Robb Ron

Okay Robb,apologies and respect to you,no intent to offend,you obviously know more than most. Sorry mate, Ron

Judge and Jury passed sentence on me M'lud,i cannot comment any further Goodbye

Okay Mr Bigshot you win,i won't push it any further. In your all-knowing library,who produced and released the orange label record then?, please tell me as i would like to know,i won't comment just tell me. Thanks, Inferior Soulie.

Sounds about the same as Soulsource then!!!.

Okay Russ i hear you,all the best mate. Ron

Yes,i suppose you are right mate,thanks.

I don't harangue anyone,we are all grown men and women and have a mind of our own,which means that I can express myself and voice my opinion on this forum as i like and will defend the right of you and anyone else to do exactly the same, freedom of speech that's all it is. As for attending Northern Soul venues is concerned,i attend them frequently and all over the Country,do you?. A well respected Northern Soul DJ is a friend and he has the Blue Original Tamala Lewis in his box,i always ask him to play it and he always does. I know plenty of self respecting Northern Soul DJ's who will play the Orange label Tamala Lewis,they play the music for the Dancers,because they want to hear and dance to it. There is something that you have forgotten in your summary,the dancers PAY to gain entry to the venues, so why can't they hear their favourite tracks?. If there is an original to be played,great,if not play the next best thing on a record,it's about the music .

Here is the evidence for Marton www.discogs.com Tamala Lewis Tracklist : A. You Won't Say Nothing Written by E.Harris,C.Haskins,G.Clinton B. If You Can Stand Me Notes : Produced by Parlor Productions. Blue label release Also released with an Orange label So,both records produced and released by Parlor Productions,no mention of any other company or dealer and no mention of bootleg either. Why is it no person looking at these postings could tell me that information?

The point is this (which i have raised regarding unissued great dancers),Lets say for arguments sake that 100 Blue label 1st press records were produced and today they are all in the hands of collectors, most i guess will not be played at Northern Soul Venues,some are. If Northern Soul DJ's refuse to play the Orange 2nd press record you have a situation were the dancers are missing out because the track is barely played at all and that is unacceptable. The music is the finest Northern Soul and it should be played to a willing dancing crowd.

Not quite correct,the issue at heart is that the orange label is NOT a boot,it is genuine,so therefore if it is from good stock it should be played freely with originals at Northern Soul venues without question,like I have said before it does not matter about the year. The orange label is original,the definition of original is "belonging to the origin or the beginning of something", this is clearly the case,so i am in order to state that it is original 2nd press and possibly the original pressing equipment.If it is legitimate it is original,because it came from the origin,namely Marton.

Every production run of a record is a pressing,the original record is original 1st press,the LEGAL re-issue/release of the orange label is an original 2nd press,i am not saying the orange label is the original at all,the blue is the original,no doubt about that and i love both. There is a definitive difference when the owners of the label are involved in a re-release, bootleg's can be made by anyone or any company,it's not crazy talk at all. The Northern Soul scene can be complex at times and this is simply one part of it.

I will certainly try Richard,might take a bit of time though,work etc:,BFN.

A bootleg is a copy made by anyone or any company The orange label is RCA,re-released in 1979 in conjunction with Marton (the label owners).There is nothing bootleg about the re-release,Marton were involved,so in my eyes that makes it genuine and a second press,it does not matter about the year,the fact that Marton were involved makes a massive difference. So once again you CANNOT call it a bootleg. Right,over to you,prove me wrong then.

My understanding of the Orange label record is that it is an Original Marton 2nd press issue confirmed by a reputable Northern Soul DJ,it is not a boot as suggested,i own an Orange one and I am more than happy with it,they too are becoming rarer and their value is starting to gradually rise over time. I had an argument with a DJ who would not play it at a venue,he said it was a boot,i said to him that it wasn't it was a Marton 2nd press original,the DJ that confirmed it's status was at the venue and gave his input,the record still wasn't played,utter nonsense,the dancers missed out yet again!!!. There are many unissued great dancer records that are never played at venues because of the Original v Boot snobbery.This happens because there are only so many Acetetates and boots have to be made to provide copies to dance to otherwise they are never played. Examples of this are: Gladys Knight and the pips --- If You Ever Get Your Hands On Love, Eddie Holman --- Where I'm Not Wanted,both excellent dancers. Obviously there is no doubt about the Original Blue record and i reckon that anyone who has one could ask around £2000 for it in good condition.

Tamala Lewis --- You Won't Say Nothing is a Masterpiece on Marton,Northern Soul at it's very best. It is without doubt a great 100% up-tempo dancer at many venues around the UK. It is a top quality Oldie and deserves the classic recognition that it gets. In my opinion i don't think another Artist could better Tamala's version. I do own a copy and always will.

Love everything about this video,that's all i need to say.

Thanks Tony,i will look after it,should bring the dancers flooding onto the floor including me. Many thanks mate, KTF Ron

Thanks mate,yes a one off carver,could not believe my luck,fantastic.

Now the proud owner of an unissued and unplayed 45 record,cannot believe my luck,an absolute gem,so rare!!!. KTF Ron

Great Dave,look forward to hearing from you.