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    30 minutes ago, Ivor Jones said:

    I see its either ended or been taken off ebay now.:) I wonder where else they will turn up now ?

    Yes, he informed me just under an hour ago.

    I'm hoping he will now come on here to give an account.

    Closing this.

    The offer is there to come round and view and a phone # provided should anyone wish to pursue the sale.

    Up to the seller how he wishes to dispose of his collection.

    Take the point may not be the optimum manner to sell as a ballpark figure of £20,000 no doubt restricts the number of potential buyers.

    I'm sure some of the advice offered is constructive if at times somewhat harshly worded.

    Thank you Peter99 for perhaps showing how it's done.

    ROD

    56 minutes ago, maslar said:

    just out  of interest and for clarification how many of these new batch of  pressings have been sold as originals. Explicitly as originals with an accompanying price tag? Is a figure known?

    Good luck with that question.

    A mystery wrapped in an enigma from reading this thread.

    I'd just like some facts as to who, if anybody, has misrepresented these 45s for sale.

    Wouldn't want them using this site to do the same.

    Hopefully though now out in the open opportunities to do so are severely limited.

    18 hours ago, Yale said:

    Just to wade in here, perhaps where I'm not wanted, but I am perhaps older then all or, at least most of you, and the beginning of bootlegging was liquor, during prohibition. The mob controlled that here in the States, much as the Mob controlled a lot of the record business for many years as well. I worked for a mob owned record store here in NYC that was getting in the business of bootlegging cutouts. That is they would repress albums cut out by the original labels because since they were cut out, left over stock, in the first place, no one was watching. It wasn't Beatles records but instead Phillies Christmas albums that they would be making. These were called bootlegs and in fact all of what you are talking about is called bootlegs. Before there were live recordings illicitly sold, there were bootlegs of successful albums and, as I have mentioned, less then successful albums as well. The Mob pressing up these cutouts was viewed by them as printing money. Since they controlled the legitimate cutout business they knew which ones sold and made more of them.

    It seems to me there are a lot of small label jazz cut outs around these days here in the U.S. And as someone who is cognizant of these things, there are a some legitimate (and illaginament) people making cutouts of soul and African albums over there in the UK and Europe. I'll work years to license something and then find out that Honest Jon's is (and other stores) selling a bootleg, unlicensed version, of the record. There really isn't enough of a societal reprehension to stop this and of course everyone is downloading stuff as well. Maybe in the collector culture will be where the light is finally shown on this end of things. I think it's important to name names because that is what will be the most likely to bring this issue to the fore. On that note may I mention Charley Records and Scorpio.

    Spent many a happy hour in Scorpio in the first half of the 90's. Was put onto it by a mate, Mark Wimmers, who was based in Baltimore who took me round there.

    I think it was second or third time I was there on my own the guy who priced albums up for me says the boss wants a word with you.

    Walked into the office and was tied to a chair and beaten with a baseball bat but  I was no fink so they kidnapped the wife, which turned out OK as I cut a deal to take her back when they paid $250,000 into my bank a/c. I feel I could have got more but they'd been through enough.

    Obviously that didn't happen.

    Coffees and doughnuts and a wide-ranging chat initially about what I was buying - soul/funk albums for 2-step/rare groove UK market - but then just general stuff about US/UK and how we'd both ended up where we were.  I didn't really have to read between the lines.

    Back then the soul albums were definitely legitimate copies but I believe later they were involved in selling [at least] lots of soul/funk represses.

     

    20 hours ago, pumpkinseed said:

    There's nothing wrong with this thread just your comment  anything to do with the TERI DE label is far more interesting than some of the crap on this site !

    Hey Carl I think for DEAD read OLD.

    Topic started in 2008 but re-activated by belated response by Okehdownsouth.

    ROD

    No problem re info.

    And to be completely accurate RS also bought Reparata and Delrons "It's waitin' there for you" at the same time.

    Does irritate sometimes that there appears to be a misconception that there was always a wide divide between RS and RW playlist, albeit one did open up in later years.

    As moderator just tweaked your reply somewhat.

    20 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

     

    Bloody Hell! Forty years for that? Quite obviously a Russ spin - it's a steaming pile of dog turd. 

    :wicked:

    Nope.

    RS spin first.

    I sold it to him along with Nightwatch ABC on same night at Wigan.

    I trust you're not denigrating our joint soul credentials there, Peter.

    Questioning our sanity perfectly acceptable.

    ROD

    I still have Miracles demo,with WBOB 11743 sticker.

    From slightly hazy memory a lot of these turned up in a shop off Peters Creek Parkway in Winston-Salem. Can't remember owners' names but husband and wife. Jim and Mary perhaps ?

    First saw them in 1988 but obviously there before that as though I got some Northern had feeling been picked through by local dealers and collectors. In fact got more WBOB 45S a few years later out of local guy's  collection.

    Asked owners re source at the time. I think it was Eden, N.C. but here I'm struggling. He may have said off a flea market rather than direct from radio station. Think I had a tele # but no reply. Either there was a station around there or more likely IMO that out of Galax ?

    Roburt, I don't think changes in format are much of a guide as to what a library might hold. Alex Jones and I had a reasonable hit at a white gospel/religious waffle station in Georgia [I think]. Remember deal quite well as owner/manager got on to discussing creationism with me and having got on to Bishop Usher I thankfully had the wit to not challenge his ramblings. Coupled with Alex turning pale and looking anxious. I didn't want to screw the deal. In fact for the Little Ritchie and around 70 others I was quite prepared for Alex to pop down to nearest river and embrace Jesus !

    ROD

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