Barry

I think a book that encompassed the NS scene wholly would be a better read - stick to one venue and you get a personal view, nice but not a viable commercial venture for any publishing house. I'm not knocking the formulative years of the NS scene and the UK clubs responsible for bringing this music to its commercial height, that is, the real ground breakers and the true hub of this scene, you know the venues I'll not bore you. But when I read these posts it seems that majoritively the venues quoted are from Wigan onward - I may be open to selective reading as we all are on this kind of personal matter- as they are the venues that people attended who are still 'message board active' and able to recount on. I can't see a whole book being written about Stafford or the Clifton Hall, Oddfellows, Buzzard etc being absorbing to for enough people to purchase, outside but a few (I'd buy one, but I'm one of maybe just a few, commercially). But, on the flp of that, I see a publication that could possibly encompass the Nighter scene from the late 70's to now, giving playlists, personal accounts and a general musical feel of that particular event, a Winner. Not only for the NS Scene but if only from a Social History point of view.

Yes I can...cos they weren't 'Longy'(?).

Awww Ta Dave.

The lad from Pisa, who posts on here, and myself spoke about it before - a very obvious choice, seeing as I'm from Warrington, but well done for being so slow on the uptake. They don't want to know mate, I made the call a month back. Anyway we require two rooms, I'm sure the sixties lads don't want to hear some of the sh*t that I intend to play in the 'little room'. Question answered 'Longy?'. PM me as I have no idea who you are.

PS You'll never win. Cos I am right! And I mean that (Sorry it should have read... 'KNOW THAT!)

I never left the NS scene Longy, just stopped attending venues that played NS due to the ridiculous politics that surround the scene, your lot just didn't appeal to me any more. I never stopped buying it - which is the true measure of a person who truly loves a form of music. I don't need to play up to some self important hierachy - you know why? Cos I love Northern - and I don't need somebody two steps up, on the Social Climbing Scale that is ( ) to tell me that I do. Chrissie didn't read my initial, and very obvious question correctly (she did really, but the age took over. She shamelessly took the whole thread down a completely different, irrellevant, egotistical and ultimatley pointless route (read the thread). You obviously can't read either 'Longy'? (there's courses for that, see Citizens Advice), stop point scoring mate. BTW - who are you?- cos I don't know - it appears in your mind we have some form of self constructed history. This may be my final allowed post on here as the Moderators have informed me that, amongst other ridiculous charges, that I have 'slagged other peoples views off'. I think that the people that have read my recent posts will know better. feel free to find me on... www.onhubertstreet.co.uk/mb I'm a belting lad (but not when it comes to idiots) Yours (with a lovely Santa hat on), Baz x Dead Man Walking

Chrissie, stop splitting hairs and leave it ay? You know where I stand on this, don't you? And, even with me contact lenses, I can't see you. G'night love. x

A great set of replies to a very valid and thought provoking post. Well in.

I've just re read that post btw. And it's bang on.

Over the years, not only on the NS Scene - it could be any scene, but I see a general post, the likes of.... 'The scene died in....' Well you know why - they/you/anyone - posted that stupid, no turning back post? Cos that was the day that they/you/anyone turned their back on the scene - your poor decision. Fair do's, you had kids, you weren't that bothered, you moved to the Outer Hebrides (any venues there btw?). But don't use your lack of passion, so easily spotted by others, as some kind of ridiculous excuse to make up for that same lack of passion. One 'Wrong', I'm afraid, will always be just that. Monet painted, and unluckily died, before Damien Hirst - but I don't see Our Dame saying that old Monet was a shi*t artist cos he got hold of a crayon first. Really??? Message Board BS! Hilarious. I hope that this post, annoying as it may be to those that are not initiated in the 'World Of The Message Board' and all its strange wonders (??), will, if nothing else be but a small part in killing of the poorly thought out and endlessly seen 'NS died in...' thread. It's obvious - it'll never end. (You're just caught up in that cyberspace schizophrenia that makes you think that because your husband bought Judy Street on Soul Stop when people used to wear Pegs, that you have a valid opinion) Well, you bloody don't.

....I've started three responses to your answer mate, and deleted them all. All I can come up with is, truthfully, is....'Whatever'? I'll leave the readers of this post to make their own minds up. Respect Barry x

How do you work that out Dave? Really? 'Favourites' on your Browser, possibly? I'll offer that you should make the call to 'WHICH' magazine that are advertising a pamphlet (Don't get to use that word often) on the telly at the moment...that''l give you a little guidance with 'Them Computers'. (Unnecessary post mate - but you made it)

I'll go along with quantity of sounds being, possibly, broke elsewhere other than Wigan - but think about THOSE records that were broke at Wigan - we can wax lyrical all night, and we are all at the end of the day RIGHT - cos they are our opinions, and they to us are All - you're your own person at the end of the day. You can put one track up against another all day, at the end of that day I truly believe that honest chit chat furthers matters. Matters that we all care about - but point scoring 'I know this, he didn't play that, why was nobody there' shit just fragments the scene. This board at times, regarding Niter venues, reminds me of the UK media - always looking for a finger hole to have a go at someones hard work. If you want my honest view, less bullshit and a little more understanding pro active behaviour will possibly give it another ten years. Yours (arseholed). Baz X

I'll not quote specifically on the responses given, thank you for them btw, I'll just give my feelings on the matter. I do know that there are a very large number of Niters at present, I also know that to have a degree of balance DJ wise will be a struggle - given the amount of WWW opinions that sway peoples weekend movements these days. All I'm saying is that I have found your responses to my question enlightening, again thank you, all taken on board, and I will do my best to enjoy the night that me and Richard (Francis) are looking to do, wherever, up here. If you choose to be a part of it by turning up is kind of secondary to our aims - we are dyed in the wool Soul Boys that are only doing it for the plain fact that we are long in the tooth enough to deal with 'failure'. Again, if you need a packed to the rafters venue to say that a night was worthy of your egotistical message board 'we were there' posts - then we don't need your footspace. I don't mean to alienate any f*cker, I just like saying it as how I see it. Anyaway, we've no venue yet, so my trappings are plainly without substance - but please, watch this space. Yours Lovingly - and at all times with Soul in my mind. Barry (ps - apologies, my work generally means that I turn up pissed on here at this time - I'm harmless ...but focused to f*ck)

Three very valid responses. Agreed?

The Capitol 7" release was far too polished, it just lost all it's integrity.

You can't run down 30 years in realtime and say that an object, just as it sells down the line for 15k or whatever, should benefit the artist - at the end of the day, shouldn't your argument be aimed at the label getting the money, they were the ones that put their cash on the table - the lad singing was paid for opening his gob? I feel a lot of these posts re 'Artists' getting some come back are quoted out of good feeling and not how people actually live their record buying life. Never bought a ten bob pressing?

I must pick up on this valid point btw - it still goes on - we gave a young four piece band a spot at one of our Soul Nights at the Dome in Brum mid 90's - Eternal - 3 black girls and Jamies missus, 'Louise' - all went fine until the expectant US tour.... when Eternal came home to roost, strangley Louise was offered a solo deal - Black America didn't take too kindly to the band not being all black. I'm not eulogising here, that was the whole script. So, from Isley Bros albums with surfers on to, in reality, buy out clauses for white girls in an 'expected' black bandette - has Rosa Parks steel borne fruit, at least in the music industry?

Brian! Welsh or not, if you don't get it....you just don't get it mate. Johnny Vanelli, Paul Anka, Dean Parrish, Bobby Paris...da di da....they were Welsh too ay?

The question that opens this thread seems to be a stalwart SS question, true? Why is it asked? How many boarders do not know the well-worn www.raresoulman.co.uk : see 'Auction' ...;by now? 'Oh! I missed it, does anyone know the finishing prices?' Does it make you appear more involved by asking the above question, longer winded it is than just looking yourself and not having to bother with this site I really can't work this one out. At the end of the day, I know I'm playing Devils Adcocate but come on Board, less Bulshit, more Positivity. I know that in reality the aforementioned post stimulates conversation - but surely it's easier to look yerself and wax lyrical about 'HOW MUCH?' that tune went or 'How shit 'JM's auctions have gone lately' (Get Real... and come back in another life as someone who made a difference.) Message Board Land is a World apart. I have a thread on my board entitled - 'REALSPEAK'....if you think I am being a bit of a spoilsport, you should run through it sometime. I swear that 1) At some point, you'll laugh and 2) you'll understand that getting rid of BS free's up space for more important matters.

100's Club memories, early 80's - Brian Rae - Kenny - Keb - Ion (Old Ball)....does anyone remember the 2am openers - Kenny Ball and His Jazzmen beforehand at it - entering a room filled with Cruella DeVille lookalikes, cheroot holders and Mink, and varying 50+ odd-balls with long shoes? I do.

It's got FA to do with 'moving on' mate - there are bound to be those that use Wigan as a bit of a Big Up - but majoritively, the ones that post about...and there are many (Why? Cos it was without doubt, without compare), Wigan just to recount their youth/childhood. I swear, that the amount of Wigan posts (unlike your own), spin around happy times. Any prodding post (again, like your own) is just a negative, and has no place on here. You are just marking yourself down, to me and others that have read your shitty opening thread. Sorry, I'm sure you are not a 'Hater'....but this thread makes you look like one. Again sorry (I'm not really as I take it you never got there - too young, to not arsed, having a break...whatever). Love A true and Positive Soulie Baz PS (As an aside, could someone start a Poll on how long I will last on this board?)

May I ask the board and all its entrants? What would you want of it? Would you want all Oldies, All Newies, All Modern, All Kebs playlist from Stafford, All the Left Fielders from the Clifton Hall, Morecambe, Oddfellows etc etc? Or would you want a Unified, stone cold, built from the heart All Nighter that follows the unique traditions that this scene's hopes and asprirations were built upon? No bitching, no 'Aw fuckin' Hell, he played Alfie Davidson' after...whatever! I'll tell you now, as once again, I'm pissed but I am looking to open a Nighter up North, before next summer. If it burns and crashes, I'll live with that, but it is not how many come through the door....just who... comes through That door. Yours, keeping the landing light on, and whole heartedley committed to not letting the NS scene become the area, open only to people that want spend £40 on X over records that you couldn't get Ten Bob for before they realised that their hips couldn't stand anymore. Love, Baz. X

Also I think that, as a point of social (Wigan) history, it should be pointed out that anyone that used to attend Wigan Early Sessions [prior to the Oldies Night] around the Nutty Boy 'Madness'/'Selector' period, like I did (Bus from Wire/Bees Knees/ Get twatted by the Punks and the Wigan Town Lads for yer pennies outside whilst you were waiting)...'It's Not Unusual' sounded Fuckin' Brilliant over that sound system. Six stone, piss wet through, penniless, bruised, and after being cash-raped by the Wigan Town Lads, still a lad that got in, you just moved over to the right hand door [non-membership] - 'No pushin' at the back please' (cos the Town Lads used to nick your membership card) and paid an extra 25p. No Hilda Woods, which didn't fulfill your night, but them floorboards were yours - and still are - I have four in me Mams airing cupboard.

TFFT Jocko. Chrissie, I could wallow in the fact that this response is generally the response of the majority of people that have read this ridiculous thread (thanks for your input btw). It is very obvious (by your unecessarry [DT] responses) that you KNOW that I am the Real Deal. I apologise to you for your lack of input on this scene. Anyway - as to save the board any more sh*t - please PM me with any more grievances that you may have about my happy and positive memories of the lovely life this glorious scene has given to me....as obvioulsly all you wanna do is bitch....poor love, POOR! Long Live Northern & the people that read posts for what they are...and not for how they make them look.