This is not about the old style but rather more new style as i have noticed a lot of Modern sounds come from R & B singers or close like Kirk Franklin, Brian McKnight, John Legend and Mary J Blige is it me but i keep thinking if we get anymore we will almost be promoting a night of R & B that kids and teenagers would come to.

I wonder what would come next ie R Kelly, Akon, and whoever getting tunes played out.

was only watching a channel called life tv other day on sky and they had a music mix on and noticed Kirk Franklin video.

Modern R&B? Yuck! The most misnamed genre of music ever. Who decided to call that smoochy crap R&B? It's about as far away from Soul as Country as Western, further in fact since C&W has some connection to the blues at least.

You can have a night of modern R&B that isn't remotely R&B or you can have a night of real R&B. The two don't mix and never will. I get quite annoyed at the way they bandy the R&B tag around for new tunes... it's NOT R&B!

Didnt Rnb mean today Rhythmn & Bass? they should change it to nr&b no rhythnm & bass

Erm... Bass? Blues

No i mean today for all this new crap

I knew what you meant, I was just driving home the 'real' meaning

Didnt Rnb mean today Rhythmn & Bass? they should change it to nr&b no rhythnm & bass

As far as I know they've just kept the R&B name as the modern equivalent of the 'black music chart'...

With the influence such "R&B" has on today's youngsters, it probably stands for Robbin' & Burglin'.

It is a bloody nerve that this should be termed R&B. It's NOT rhythm, and it's definitely NOT blues! It's not even original any more - how many tracks can you spot that have sampled other artistes' backing tracks?

The chavs who lack total musical talent, who think they can string a few words together to make a four-letter word rhyme about blasting their mates' brains out with a shooter, should be forced to give up the R&B term - THEY DON'T DESERVE IT!

Edited April 4, 200718 yr by Gene-R

Didnt Rnb mean today Rhythmn & Bass? they should change it to nr&b no rhythnm & bass

I heard / read somwhere recently that today it stands for Rhythm & Beats..... I think!

Modern R&B? Yuck! The most misnamed genre of music ever. Who decided to call that smoochy crap R&B? It's about as far away from Soul as Country as Western, further in fact since C&W has some connection to the blues at least.

Well that would be black America I guess. How dare they name their own musical artforms without consulting the British rare soul scene eh !!

the worst thing is the other day i was at a friends uni house and there was this really cool girl there, got curtis mayfield on so i say, have you got any rnb and she gives me a look of disgust, anyway the next day as im getting ready to leave i sling on a CD and shes like oh, you meant rhythm and blues, i thought u were one of them rnb ponses! WHICH I HASTEN TO ADD IM NOT!

With the influence such "R&B" has on today's youngsters, it probably stands for Robbin' & Burglin'.

It is a bloody nerve that this should be termed R&B. It's NOT rhythm, and it's definitely NOT blues! It's not even original any more - how many tracks can you spot that have sampled other artistes' backing tracks?

The chavs who lack total musical talent, who think they can string a few words together to make a four-letter word rhyme about blasting their mates' brains out with a shooter, should be forced to give up the R&B term - THEY DON'T DESERVE IT!

i think you are talking rap there with the expletives etc...the likes of R Kelly as quoted earlier have had plays in the modern rooms i rather like the new genre R&B mary j blige etc at least they can sing...the rap you refer too also has its place in society as it is in fact urban poetry( my sons quote not mine ) every swear word is now in the dictionary its a fact of everyday life alas and doesnt have the same impact as when we were young.....

anyways for me modern R&B beats the pants off that crap played at venues now loosely termed R&B ( rock and roll more like )

cookie

Well that would be black America I guess. How dare they name their own musical artforms without consulting the British rare soul scene eh !!

No. I think it most likely wasn't black America but packaged by some record company exec or image consultant.

Even if it is what young black Americans prefer these days, so what? It still doesn't make it good music in my opinion. Who made them the guardians of the legacy of soul music? I thought we'd agreed on here you don't have to be black or American to love soul?

You're right 'how dare they'.

Edited April 4, 200718 yr by Matt Male

Seen a few adverts on telly, saying beyonce is an R&B artist.....................AY ????...give over

Bazza

Lazy as it is quoting from Wikipedia, this explains it quite well I think - the term has evolved from what it used to mean...

Contemporary R&B is a genre of American popular music, the current iteration of the genre that began in the 1940s as rhythm and blues music. Although the acronym "R&B" originates from its association with traditional rhythm and blues music, the term R&B is today most often used to define a style of African American music originating after the demise of disco in the 1980s. This newer style, often described as contemporary R&B, combines elements of soul, funk, pop, and, from 1986 on, hip hop. The abbreviation R&B is almost always used instead of the full rhythm and blues term, although some sources refer to the style as urban contemporary (the name of the radio format that plays hip hop and contemporary R& or urban pop.

i think you are talking rap there with the expletives etc...the likes of R Kelly as quoted earlier have had plays in the modern rooms i rather like the new genre R&B mary j blige etc at least they can sing...the rap you refer too also has its place in society as it is in fact urban poetry( my sons quote not mine ) every swear word is now in the dictionary its a fact of everyday life alas and doesnt have the same impact as when we were young.....

anyways for me modern R&B beats the pants off that crap played at venues now loosely termed R&B ( rock and roll more like )

cookie

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No. I think it most likely wasn't black America but packaged by some record company exec or image consultant.

Even if it is what young black Americans prefer these days, so what? It still doesn't make it good music in my opinion. Who made them the guardians of the legacy of soul music? I thought we'd agreed on here you don't have to be black or American to love soul?

You're right 'how dare they'.

My comment wasn't on the quality of music or the colour of those making it but your suggestion that the term R&B shouldn't be applied to today's version.

I do agree with you though - most of it is crap

Been wracking my brain all day trying to remember which R Kelly track I've heard out that I like.. 'Up And Outta Here'

Been wracking my brain all day trying to remember which R Kelly track I've heard out that I like.. 'Up And Outta Here'

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Nowt wrong with R Kelly so there

well you could always be listing to lots of Rap and this modern stuff they call R & B and hear hundreds of soul tracks sampled they just rap over them. Kayne West did this with the song Move On Up.

well you could always be listing to lots of Rap and this modern stuff they call R & B and hear hundreds of soul tracks sampled they just rap over them. Kayne West did this with the song Move On Up.

The term " Blues and Rhythm " was coined in 1947 by Jerry Wexler . It replaced the term

" Race Music " , which was previously applied to record releases by black artists .

The " Harlem Hit Parade " category of Billboard magazine stated in 1949 that the term " Blues and

Rhythm " described a style of music that " combined 12 bar blues and boogie woogie with a back

beat " .

In 1948 , RCA in the U.S. marketed their black music releases under the heading of " Blues and

Rhythm " ; Jerry Wexler later reversed the term to " Rhythm and Blues " , in respect of releases by black artists on Atlantic , who were the leading label of / for the genre in the early years .

It puzzles and irritates me how the majority of the ' music ' that currently masquerades / has masqueraded under the term " R & B " ( or is it " R N' B " as in " Tuna N' Sweetcorn " ? ) , be called

" Rhythm and Blues " , when it bears absolutely no resemblance to the style of music the term was originally coined for ......

Call me a purist ? ........ yes . A term applied to a particular style of music should only apply to that particular style of music ; no more so , especially when it comes to " R & B " .......

Malc Burton

Edited April 5, 200718 yr by Malc Burton

I heard / read somwhere recently that today it stands for Rhythm & Beats..... I think!

I heard that too.

Although I now prefer to hear it described as Rubbish & Boring

I heard that too.

Although I now prefer to hear it described as Rubbish & Boring

Isn't the US 'Black music' chart still called the R&B Chart? Surely that would be the simplest explaination for the name being used?

And as for modern tracks sampling old soul songs... remind me again how often you hear different vocalists and even differeent lyrics over the same backing track on the northern and soul scenes? The difference there is what?

I heard that too.

Although I now prefer to hear it described as Rubbish & Boring

could'nt agree with your more......totaly rubbish & boaring.....

why is this thread in AATS and not in freebasing,

R&B = ME = romantic and bald

America still does use the black music chart as R & B and while we may not like it called that it is new R & B that is coined. if you go to your local Virgin megastores or HMV they have a section of that says R & B/Rap/Hip Hop yet to find soul acts would be in pop/rock section as our Virgin did that they got rid of the small soul cd's and sometimes HMV have a section on just soul.

so they have kept the name but it's modern same as what country did when it was country and western now it's just country and it's different cause of the 80's changing branding new the stuff as new country