I have 2 copies of "manifesto" by James Lewis & the Case of time.

I'm trying to ascertain if at least one of them might be a real one !

One is Yellow label - red & black writing - vinyl

Other is Green label styrene. (by Case of Tyme)

According to the Manship bootleg guide

1) Yellow label one is black lettering) Mine has red as well (the word Legend). It also says it has a bevelled run in groove. Mine does not.

2) Green boot is on vinyl not styrene. Mine is styrene but has no ZTSC stamp.

The confusing world of Northern soul !

Rob

Clear as mud if you read this thread ....

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=32959

I have 2 copies of "manifesto" by James Lewis & the Case of time.

I'm trying to ascertain if at least one of them might be a real one !

One is Yellow label - red & black writing - vinyl

Other is Green label styrene. (by Case of Tyme)

According to the Manship bootleg guide

1) Yellow label one is black lettering) Mine has red as well (the word Legend). It also says it has a bevelled run in groove. Mine does not.

2) Green boot is on vinyl not styrene. Mine is styrene but has no ZTSC stamp.

The confusing world of Northern soul !

Rob

Green paper label is real,and the yellow and red one,sell us the green one,if real?.

I think I can clear this query up.

There are TEN different presses of MANIFESTO only TWO are original authentic releases.

Here goes:

There are TWO original presses

1. # 1001 crediting CASE OF TYME pressed in STYRENE green label

styrene original matrix reads L-1001A -2 ZTSC 14863 8-2A scratched between the 1st. & 2nd. Turn of the runout. Within the second turn is an upside-down T1

2. # 1014 crEditing JAMES LEWIS and the CASE OF TYME pressed in vinyl yellow label, black text

Genuine original press deadwax matrix reads L1014 A (@ 6o'clock) @ 11 o'clock scratched in smaller letters with the first turn of the deadwax is RB132s. Beware of Yellow label, Red logo, black text COUNTERFEITS with a ZTSC matrix in the deadwax see below:

THERE are TWO COUNTREFEIT bootlegs.

Green label # 1001 and the yellow label with red logo # 1014 are both pressed in vinyl and use the SAME masterplate. the matrix reads Deadwax reads L-1001A - V ZTSC-178638 -2A URM and the an upsidedown TI all lightly scratched in the deadwax. Vinyl is very flexible.

Basically this is a copy of the ORIGINAL styrene press, sractched into VINYL. The counterfeiter did the GREEN 1001 first. Then when the ORIGINAL yellow label red logo copies were found, the counterfeiter just repressed it using the same masterplate but reproduced the YELLOW label onto the plate previously used for te GREEN label counterfeit.

The other repro's are easy to spot..

5. #1001 GREEN LABEL multi-coloured vinyl!

6 #1001 GREEN LABEL blue vinyl!

7. #1001 GREEN LABEL red vinyl!

8. White label onto styrene

9. Yellow label with black text and BLACK logo

10. Red label black text

Hope that helps, and if anyone can add anymore info to that please PM me.

I think I can clear this query up.

There are TEN different presses of MANIFESTO only TWO are original authentic releases.

Here goes:

There are TWO original presses

1. # 1001 crediting CASE OF TYME pressed in STYRENE green label

styrene original matrix reads L-1001A -2 ZTSC 14863 8-2A scratched between the 1st. & 2nd. Turn of the runout. Within the second turn is an upside-down T1

2. # 1014 crEditing JAMES LEWIS and the CASE OF TYME pressed in vinyl yellow label, black text

Genuine original press deadwax matrix reads L1014 A (@ 6o'clock) @ 11 o'clock scratched in smaller letters with the first turn of the deadwax is RB132s. Beware of Yellow label, Red logo, black text COUNTERFEITS with a ZTSC matrix in the deadwax see below:

THERE are TWO COUNTREFEIT bootlegs.

Green label # 1001 and the yellow label with red logo # 1014 are both pressed in vinyl and use the SAME masterplate. the matrix reads Deadwax reads L-1001A - V ZTSC-178638 -2A URM and the an upsidedown TI all lightly scratched in the deadwax. Vinyl is very flexible.

Basically this is a copy of the ORIGINAL styrene press, sractched into VINYL. The counterfeiter did the GREEN 1001 first. Then when the ORIGINAL yellow label red logo copies were found, the counterfeiter just repressed it using the same masterplate but reproduced the YELLOW label onto the plate previously used for te GREEN label counterfeit.

The other repro's are easy to spot..

5. #1001 GREEN LABEL multi-coloured vinyl!

6 #1001 GREEN LABEL blue vinyl!

7. #1001 GREEN LABEL red vinyl!

8. White label onto styrene

9. Yellow label with black text and BLACK logo

10. Red label black text

Hope that helps, and if anyone can add anymore info to that please PM me.

Could have cleared that up in my thread,gonna` have to go find mine again

I think I can clear this query up.

There are TEN different presses of MANIFESTO only TWO are original authentic releases.

Here goes:

There are TWO original presses

1. # 1001 crediting CASE OF TYME pressed in STYRENE green label

styrene original matrix reads L-1001A -2 ZTSC 14863 8-2A scratched between the 1st. & 2nd. Turn of the runout. Within the second turn is an upside-down T1

2. # 1014 crEditing JAMES LEWIS and the CASE OF TYME pressed in vinyl yellow label, black text

Genuine original press deadwax matrix reads L1014 A (@ 6o'clock) @ 11 o'clock scratched in smaller letters with the first turn of the deadwax is RB132s. Beware of Yellow label, Red logo, black text COUNTERFEITS with a ZTSC matrix in the deadwax see below:

THERE are TWO COUNTREFEIT bootlegs.

Green label # 1001 and the yellow label with red logo # 1014 are both pressed in vinyl and use the SAME masterplate. the matrix reads Deadwax reads L-1001A - V ZTSC-178638 -2A URM and the an upsidedown TI all lightly scratched in the deadwax. Vinyl is very flexible.

Basically this is a copy of the ORIGINAL styrene press, sractched into VINYL. The counterfeiter did the GREEN 1001 first. Then when the ORIGINAL yellow label red logo copies were found, the counterfeiter just repressed it using the same masterplate but reproduced the YELLOW label onto the plate previously used for te GREEN label counterfeit.

The other repro's are easy to spot..

5. #1001 GREEN LABEL multi-coloured vinyl!

6 #1001 GREEN LABEL blue vinyl!

7. #1001 GREEN LABEL red vinyl!

8. White label onto styrene

9. Yellow label with black text and BLACK logo

10. Red label black text

Hope that helps, and if anyone can add anymore info to that please PM me.

Could have told us this in my thread,John!!,i`ll have to find mine again?, and my thread wasnt finnished.

boot

Edited September 8, 200618 yr by ken

I have 2 copies of "manifesto" by James Lewis & the Case of time.

I'm trying to ascertain if at least one of them might be a real one !

One is Yellow label - red & black writing - vinyl

Other is Green label styrene. (by Case of Tyme)

According to the Manship bootleg guide

1) Yellow label one is black lettering) Mine has red as well (the word Legend). It also says it has a bevelled run in groove. Mine does not.

2) Green boot is on vinyl not styrene. Mine is styrene but has no ZTSC stamp.

The confusing world of Northern soul !

Rob

I think I can clear this query up.

There are TEN different presses of MANIFESTO only TWO are original authentic releases.

Here goes:

There are TWO original presses

1. # 1001 crediting CASE OF TYME pressed in STYRENE green label

styrene original matrix reads L-1001A -2 ZTSC 14863 8-2A scratched between the 1st. & 2nd. Turn of the runout. Within the second turn is an upside-down T1

2. # 1014 crEditing JAMES LEWIS and the CASE OF TYME pressed in vinyl yellow label, black text

Genuine original press deadwax matrix reads L1014 A (@ 6o'clock) @ 11 o'clock scratched in smaller letters with the first turn of the deadwax is RB132s. Beware of Yellow label, Red logo, black text COUNTERFEITS with a ZTSC matrix in the deadwax see below:

THERE are TWO COUNTREFEIT bootlegs.

Green label # 1001 and the yellow label with red logo # 1014 are both pressed in vinyl and use the SAME masterplate. the matrix reads Deadwax reads L-1001A - V ZTSC-178638 -2A URM and the an upsidedown TI all lightly scratched in the deadwax. Vinyl is very flexible.

Basically this is a copy of the ORIGINAL styrene press, sractched into VINYL. The counterfeiter did the GREEN 1001 first. Then when the ORIGINAL yellow label red logo copies were found, the counterfeiter just repressed it using the same masterplate but reproduced the YELLOW label onto the plate previously used for te GREEN label counterfeit.

The other repro's are easy to spot..

5. #1001 GREEN LABEL multi-coloured vinyl!

6 #1001 GREEN LABEL blue vinyl!

7. #1001 GREEN LABEL red vinyl!

8. White label onto styrene

9. Yellow label with black text and BLACK logo

10. Red label black text

Hope that helps, and if anyone can add anymore info to that please PM me.

Hi All

This is the 100% original Styrene copy with Green Stick On Label and Scratched ZTSC Matrix as described above by John

I hope this helps

Edited September 8, 200618 yr by 45cellar