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I would have said the Dramatics is the harder to find of the two. The logic, if there are only 500 Dynamics copies would be that there are fewer of the Dramatics credited copies. On what the price guides say, I only have Manship's 3rd edition. That doesn't mention the Dramatics copy, only the Dynamics at £15. However, Tim Brown's guide (first) has both discs - the Dynamics at 'Low' and the Dramatics at £75. I have both of these 45s and a couple of the Dramatics ones I think. I also have a juke box strip for this record credited to the Dramatics which I will post up over the weekend sometime Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Nice one Pete I was going to post a scan of this myself the other day on the end of the Luther Ingram thread that's been going - but I though it was so obviously a crap boot that I couldn't be bothered Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

It was a soul bowl soul pack 45 in the early 80s (weren't they all? ). Some are a bit off centre. Cheers Richard

Wasn't it Sid Barnes himself that said it was a 500 press? Surely no WD It was a poor quality bargain basement press, not at all good. Some look worse than they actually are play-wise. Some skip. Love Hangover is a top track. Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

This is truly, truly one of the most uplifting proper nothern soul masterpieces (IMHO). I focus my collecting on Detroit, but I never, ever tire of this one - it is in my top 10 Richard

Mikki Farrow is bargain at that in my opinion . A genuinely rare one these days, held back by understandable lack of clarity over authenticity, given that the boot is a 'true' counterfeit designed to confuse, which keeps down the price. It's a hard one now and a classic Detroit double sider too. Could It Be is the side for me. By comparison, too much pricewise for the Freddy Butler on Wheelsville - demand driven, but it's not that rare IMVFHO Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Thanks guys Much appreciated. I agree with you about the quality of the music. I also agree that 900 quid is way OTT. Price-wise I reckon it's very negotiable and very hard to put a 'market' price on it, so to speak. Anyway, if you don't ask you won't get I guess Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Anyone know anyone with a copy of this please (whether for sale or not), or any other info? Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

The song 'Bingo' (b/w 'Somewhere') was issued twice on Wingate as by both the Dynamics and the Dramatics - catalogue number Wingate 018. Due credit to the man Ron Banks himself and to Soulful Detroit for the background: Their first 45 [Dramatics] did not appear on Wingate until August 1966 however. The song "Bingo" was also erroneously credited to the Dynamics. Heikki uncovered the background in an interview with Ron Banks. "There was a group already here called the Dynamics. When they delivered the label copy and stuff to the record plant here in Detroit, they just thought it was a misprint and went ahead and put the Dynamics. So the first five hundred of that box came with the name Dynamics. We were upset about that. This was our first record..." So, if there were 500 copies of the "Dynamics" credited copy issued, how many were released as correctly credited to the Dramatics I wonder? Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Don't know if this will work - Hank Johnson - Lost Love (Ten High) This one was already on the computer. I will have to find the Infernos on 45 and stick it on am MP3. Sorry - not sure how to do that Refosoul thingy Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com 11___Hank_Johnson___Lost_Love__Ten_High_.mp3

Orange boot - scan from eBay. Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Oh dear - didn't cross my mind they were boots - don't ask me why not, its blindingly obvious really . Maybe not so nice after all then. Damned expensive too - the cheapest I have found on eBay is £8.99 and that's without postage. I might just give them a miss then. Having checked the track listing I have all the tracks on vinyl 45s anyway, apart from Sue Perrin Clickety Clack Heart on J&W, which is off the Girls of Golden World CD. Anone got a soundfile for that one please? Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Can anyone recommend the best place for me to pick up those nice Ric-Tic and Golden World CDs please? Apologies if I have posted this one in the wrong place Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Here's a bit more from Dave Flynn's site (cheers Dave! ). "Shelley Products, Ltd", New York. Based in Huntingdon Station, Long Island, near to NYC, they pressed for many East Coast major labels such as Liberty, Imperial and World Pacific, alongside cult independent ones, such as the Red Bird family and the infamous Shrine label. Their "X" mark is raised rather than etched into the styrene pressings they used, and often the actual record labels seem to come adrift from the discs due to poor quality adhesives used...this improved post-67. During 1969, the "X" was replaced with a backwards "S" withina circle. This company also owned the Golden Crest label. Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

I have this one. It's on Ten High 102 (as you said Russ, same as Hank Johnson). the a-side is Air Mail Special. The flip is Lost Love instrumental. Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Anyone got scans and/or soundfiles of Jerry Walker's Mr Limp on Ten High (#71136) please? Both sides would be great - either posted here, PM or email below please I see Tim Brown has one on auction at the moment starting at £1500. Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Without being able to check the deadwax of all of these various 45s, but going on label layout/print alone, is it not the case that: the Atco distributed vinyl WD without the Detroit address and with HIB Records down the left hand side of the label is the promo equivalent of the light green vinyl issue? the WD shown in my previous post above with the Detroit address with HIB records along the top of the label is the promo equivalent of the original 1966 orange vinyl issue with the Wylie credit as posted by Alan? Alan - if you could let me have the deadwax markings of your '66 orange issue please I will be able to check against my detroit address WD. I also have the non-Detroit address WD, so if someone could please let me have the deadwax details for that one I will have a look at that too. NB - There are two label variations of the green styrene Detroit issue with the Parker Street address - one had Distributed by ATCO record Sales Co. underneath the artist's name, the other version did not. I have a few scans of the various boots and the originals, including a green-labelled styrene Parker Street copy with the words Promotional Not For Sale and PLUG SIDE on which got a mention above or elsewhere as a possible original. Looking forward to details on those deadwax markings Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

I'm looking for a copy of Dickie & The Ebb Tides - One Boy, One Girl on Golden World (GW-45). Any one help me out with this tough one please? Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

This is my vinyl WD which is ATCO distributed and also has the Detroit address (not the one from JM's auction by the way). Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com

Here's a scan from eBay of the Tuba release to compare with the scan above. This one doesn't have the Detroit Address and is missing the Teddy Randazzo production credit Cheers Richard premium_stuff@hotmail.com