Ady Croasdell

Anyone got a copy I could have a listen of please? Ady

I don't have one I'm afraid but would love to see the label when you eventually get one for my Dave Hamilton research. We have the master tapes here, I'll see if there's a part 2. Ady

Well the Paramount was an aberration Alan and the others may have partly been to sell at Jesse's shows, he's primarily a live entertainer so it could have been a re-press when the other run was finished. I think it was considered commercial, it was aimed at Dean Martin originally.

I just saw the original Impressions Bandera contract with Curtis, Sam, The Brooks Brother, Jerry Butler and manager Eddie Taylor. I'm not sure if it gets better than that apart from possibly Moses or JC & The Disciples.

That's cheap for the label.

Thanks Pete, somebody's reading out there Yeah, test pressings on Paramount before they worked out there was a slightly bigger Paramount operation a few miles down the road. I'll find out if this is the copy we scanned. Ady

Well yes he did start a new series of one for the Detroit address, but as Chico & Buddy was also Detroit it would indicate that Damn Sam was not in the same time frame as C&B or it would have just continued the old series. Damn Sam would therefore be later than 1970. And as Rolyat/k was 1971 later than that too.

Not on 45s Dave, Chico & Buddy was Detroit but continued on the old numbering system. Damn Sam seems to be a unique number.

Thanks but probably not as like the 45 it's a completely different numbering system and LPs would probably have been few and far between at the time.

On the forthcoming Kent O C Tolbert CD we're using a previously unheard Dave Hamilton mix of both sides of the Rolyak/t 45 that sounds superb, the horns are more prominent and it is brilliant quality from the master tape.

The 1981 in the Soul labels threw me. O C's first work with Jack Taylor was the Rolyak 45 in 1971, he cut these substantially later sounding recordings in the mid 70s prob about 1974. All his recordings up to and including 1973 were with Dave Hamilton who he was contracted too and very close to. This was his first record after he left Dave. I asked his missus.

I doubt it very much Dave O C was with Dave then apart from the Rolyat 45 they did together, I think it's from the later early 80s period when he got back with Jack Taylor after Jack had mysteriously disappeared for nearly a decade.

No it usually is but not 100 % strict, it could have been on acetate or a Kent promo only or sneaked out on a re-released LP like Charlie Rich (legally) or Spencer Wiggins (illegally). In the case of Jesse Davis I think it's just the instrumental side though the vocal could be a bit longer. Ady

Is there a date on the 45 or LP. I have it as 1981, anyone know different? Ady

Thanks Dave and Boba, great stuff. Watching musicians putting stuff together is fascinating, I love the rehearsals for Cleethorpes. So did Joey do a later recording of the first song, originally by Dee Edwards? Presumably tough to find if Steve ain't snaffled one.

It's not in either price guide, must be tricky. Ta Ady

Anyone ever heard of him or know any credits to him apart from the Rolyak/Rolyat 45 of O C Tolbert?

What are the other tracks Matt?

Great stuff Dave, what's the story; line-up, history etc. Does the Detroit Historical Soul Society or whatever it's called promote all Detroit music or mainly their own things? Cheers Ady

Thanks Richard, amazingly late release for an early 60s sound. Ady

Great, thanks Richard, I missed out on this. A scan of Moonville or Ultra City would be good. Cheers Ady

Thanks Richard, I'm off to bed now but will check the flip out tomorrow. It sounds like the same group I'm investigating. What an early side for 1970 or thereabouts. Any chance of a scan too please? Ta Ady

Not many things remain constant in this life Dave. Ady

Like Sebastian says its not a boot but a later press

Gerri Hall on Sue, given a release number but probably didn't get to production. Walter Wilson on Wand didn't exist until i found one in Billy Jackson's gaff!