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I agree Rob I think we reach the conclusion that there are two Bobby Kline's. What confusing though is that some of PJDoowop's info seems to be correct based on some quick research. "This group evolved from two other East Orange groups called The Crowns (recorded on Snowflake Records) and The Cameos (recorded on Dean and Johnson Records)" He seems to have got this right. The Cameo's were Patricia, Patrick and William Coleman with Walter Jones and John Sayles. I can't find anything on the Crowns except that it was one female and three males in the group. Patrick Coleman did join the Ocapellos, but interesting the same website states the Coleman "brothers" joined the group but only one brother is mentioned in the line up. As stated above there is a white Bobby Kline (Palcak) but he is from PA. Whoever PJ Doo wop is it seems he is mistaken or there must be two Bobby Kline's. I don't see any other explanation.

If anyone has one for sale please PM me. I can make an offer or let me know what you are looking for ....easy either way. Thanks Andy

Agreed...absolute shocker of a price. Had a few copies some time ago and sold them....except one for me. There are others on the list that are also way OTT.

This is the quote by PJDoowop who posted on YT... "This group evolved from two other East Orange groups called The Crowns (recorded on Snowflake Records) and The Cameos (recorded on Dean and Johnson Records). Although the Ocapellos are a black group, their lead singer, Bobby Kline, is white. He used to live up the street from me" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lu_6-rWwS4 So do we one person saying white and one black or is it the same guy on YT ? I'm confused and my head hurts

Ok folks some cheaper group, sweet, deep 45's which I hope will be of interest. YT clips are for ref only. Condition: NM : I don't use Mint grade Ex : Nice disc small signs of use +/- will refine it a bit more Paypal as F&F or add 4% and go this route if you wish... Post 1.50 first and 2.70 Recorded, 5.00 world wide std air ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Diplomats - I got the kind of love - Dynamo Ex+ £25 ( fab record) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPflGGQJedA Michael Burton - She's my Woman - Turbo Ex £10 (deep meets crossover) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMKQicZzBK8 Realistics - Please baby please / too shy - De-Lite Ex £10 (two nice sides) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRtUf2TLNmk Facts of Life - Love is the final truth - Kayvette Ex+ £5 ( every house should have one) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezRty67sLtY Limelites - Before the next teardrop falls - Creative Funk Ex £10 Village Callers - Talk to me sometimes - Paramount Ex- £10 (sold well locally on the SCM label but not so on the national issue so a bit harder) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hbZKN8WRI8 The Moments - Pocket full of heartaches - Stang Ex £8 ( one of their best) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRlqiW1Z5tE Jades - Aint it funny what love can do - Capitol Green promo NM £15 ++++++++++++ Cheers Andy

Rob I did say in a previous post that line ups changed and maybe Kline joined for one recording only, certainly not a permanent member. However that still leaves us with the conundrum of whether he is black or white and do we have two people with the same name in the same area of NJ ? The person who claims to have known him clearly states on YT that he is white, whereas the photographs tell a different story. He probably doesn't know any sort of contractual arrangement in place, but even if someone could get more detail we might get closer to an answer. I personally think based on the photographs and the production team on the MB 45 I would go with black. Maybe someone with a YT account can ask the guy to provide more detail ? @Chalky is good at this sort of stuff and I'm sure could get more detail.

Could be ?? If I hadn't seen the Youtube comment I would have assumed he was black based on 'say something'. However I noticed that the MB release involved Winfield Scott well known writer and producer and Horace Ott. Both guys are black but again both worked with white artists to. I noticed that Marcable Music on the label also had other releases to their name.

This source lists his surname as Palcak and "Kilne" in the middle, but this maybe a typo. Also, the other info is that he was around NJ as opposed to PA, so not sure if he is the same. But he could have moved around I guess.

The term "credible source" is an interesting one Chalky. We have someone writing who clearly knew the group and Bobby Kline having lived nearby him at the time. He confirms Kline was in the group (maybe just for this one recording who knows? ) and yet there are people who seem to cast doubt on this. I would put him as being infinitely more credible than Wiki, Google, me, you or anyone else mate.

Anyone have a copy of 'Magic Love' to sell please ? PM's please with price or I can make an offer...easy either way. Thanks Andy

This was one Chalky https://www.last.fm/music/The+Ocapellos/+wiki Its says nothing except Kline was a member. There was another but I'd have to dig it out as I can't find it. Also if you just type 'Ocapellos' into Google there's an info box on the right side of the screen

Rob have a listen at the flip side 'anytime' it sounds white to me. Also, as you know band members - particularly in local bands - chopped and changed regularly so line ups changed. I wrote something recently on the Imperial Wonders and they changed line up constantly. If the guy on the internet says he was there and knew Kline, then personally I'd go with that. Also the General 45 provides a direct link to Kline. I'm not saying Kline was a constant member as the line up may alter, but there is a distinct lack of information to state that he wasn't (at some point) in my view. I've seen the group photo's (all black line up) but equally I've seen a couple of websites who refer to Kline being a member. Either way we have an 'eyewitness' who knew him and lived in the same area at the time and is clearly into his vocal group's. Based on what I have seen and read I'll stick with he was a member......at some point.....not permanent.

Not sure this is true. From an internet source....."This group evolved from two other East Orange groups called The Crowns (recorded on Snowflake Records) and The Cameos (recorded on Dean and Johnson Records). Although the Ocapellos are a black group, their lead singer, Bobby Kline, is white. He used to live up the street from me". Seems this came from someone who knew Kline. Andy

Ooooh that's nice . Legit or for the NY Island scene ??

OK folks a couple of quality northern tunes on the Scepter label for your consideration. Condition: NM : I don't use Mint grade Ex : Nice disc small signs of use +/- will refine it a bit more Post 1.50 first, 2.50 recorded 5.00 worldwide and Paypal as F&F or add 4% fees if that's preferred. 1. Jerry Tiffe - Hey watcha doin / Pammy Jo - Scepter Promo Ex+ £50 2. The Shirelles - Wait till I give the signal - Scepter NM £30 (probably unplayed) A "twofer" take both for £70.... Please PM with questions or to reserve. Thanks Andy