OK northern is a subculture not a type of music: most of it is but it is too varied. I found as teenager that liking soul and reggae was not only to my taste, but got you girls if you could dance, while heavy metal, pop, or glam didn't so much. Hormones rule! Later I discovered jazz. I noticed later in the eighties in Manchester that the Wheel chappies where much more open minded to new soul music, and a wider selection of black music, than some of the Wigan chappies though if you listen to the recent thread on the Wheel sounds that is slightly incredible. The record collectors on the balcanoy at Wigan [I never went despite being offered a lift] kept northern alive in the 80's while the Mecca boys moved on a bit. All this is generlisation. Why all this debate about pop music? Go listen to a Candi Staton record: deep or dancer and clear your mind. Just a few thoughts and hello to Steve Tulip. Right the morphine has kicked it in now I'm going back to bed.