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What was your answer yes we play boots reissues or no we don't.I'm assuming you run Groovesville.? Simple question.

Apologies if I appear brusque..the thread is a very basic question.It's got nothing about being policed etc etc...just a simple name of venue and whether it is ovo or not and as some have answered the odd boot/some have answered ovo only.Any type of event that advertises on soulsource.

So your answer is a mixture of originals and reissues.....next...

Well youve answered it truthfully. You are putting on a night playing reissues.Have a good time.Nobody who attends can be disappointed that youre not playing Johnny Harris on Warner Brothers Lp/45 or original Bruton/KPM/Dewolfe's.

Youv'e answered your own question "not a NS crowd" .......Nice mix of music.One of the elements of Northern soul is about original vinyl records...other scenes/parties etc are not particularly bothered.Got a load of Dewolfe and KPM originals by the way...Jon Cameron-Afro Rock,the one with Delhi Discotheque on/Gainsbourg-Melody Nelson etc etc...

It's not a hard question to answer a yes/no will suffice.....is Groovesville originals or reissues/boots?

Lots of talk on Soulsource about originals/Ovo/CD's and a proliferation of venues playing the music.Someone pointed out there was 92 venues last weekend alone.Do they all stick to the traditonal ethos of the scene in playing original records.I know people who have travelled miles to venues to find boots/CD's played.In know one lad who felt sorry for the organisers and gave the promoter his money back and told him to spend it on records.If you play ovo stick your nails to the mast.If you play r&b,funk,latin,northern,rare soul,ska reggae/whatever from originals post here.92 Venues Post On Soul Source.Let's see how many play original vinyl.

Well I hope you get out to venues where that acetate is being played as you won't be hearing it for long.We are talking about original acetates where there is no legitimate vinyl release.Common sense says you can carver it.You are not pressing hundreds and you are giving good exposure to the artist.What is wrong is coming up with some fictitious name.There could be a "buzz" created about Deon Jackson and if he gets work over here a "buzz" has been created about that record and there would be loads of people wanting to go see him to hear it.Deon Jackson would be grateful. What he wouldn't like is you pressing up 900 copies and filling your pockets.Re bootlegs the turnover of sounds was that fast the bootleggers were pressing in anticipation of a sound going big as well as after.Here's a few that your no brainer bootleg player wouldn't even think of playing even though he could get them for under a tenner. Contacts-You Gonna Pay-Quadrant Edie Walker-Good Guys-Rising Sons United 4-She's Putting You On-Harthon Sunlovers-You'll Never Make The Grade-Aliza What we need is another split in the scene."I play big sound oldie bootlegs"."Not me mate I'm on the underplayed and rare bootleg scene" .If you play ovo stick it on your publicity so anyone with sense and believes in the ethos can stay well clear of "the divs".

It is relevant in relation to boots.....good deal/bad deal/one off fee. The artist actually agreed with the manager/label owner to release product and whether it was cash in hand/session fee/contract the actual artist agreed.Playing original vinyl and you are not feeding the bootleg industry.......the bootlegger who is pressing up hundreds of copies has had no such contract and the money goes straight into his coffers.Playing original vinyl and you are giving these artists legitimate exposure which in turn may give them work opportunities/links with legitimate record companies and income.Playing/ buying current bootlegs and you are feeding the criminals and denying artists possible revenue.Apparently Tainted Love was the most booted record.....how much has Gloria Jones lost out on?.It seems that boot playing is an excuse for lazy deejays.One of the funniest things I saw at an Olympia record fair last year was Jimmy Page trawling through CD's looking for bootlegs.He takes it personally.I was involved in recovering master tapes and rare recordings for Cat Stevens.His studio was burgled in Highbury and his master tapes were sold to Eastern European organised crime gang in Poland.Suffice to say that they were recovered and he was a very grateful man.The gang planned to flood the market with bootleg CD's. This was at a time just before a relaunch of his music career.If you had seen how it affected him then you would think twice about buying current bootlegs.

Well if you promote a do and you play original vinyl and have an ovo policy stick it on your flyers and promotion.I know we all have our difference in music policies rare soul/latin soul/funk/oldies/northern etc etc and don't always see eye to eye but it seems that a battening down the hatches spirit is probably coming as the current amount of venues is unsustainable in the current economic climate.I live in the south east and there are several different types of clubs on.I may not like all the music played but I know that it is played with the original ethos of the scene in mind. You can't even blame it on age either.Joel Maslin is a young dj kid but he has more suss than a lot of people three times his age.I don't particularly like the style of music he plays but i admire his integrity and ethos about playing records from original vinyl and his hunger for new sounds.Playing boots is lazy deejaying and for people with no pride/integrity. .

The boots of the seventies were to fill an insatiable demand that the record companies were not filling.The kids wanted the sounds.They could not readily buy the sounds and the void was filled with the bootlegs.The only other alternative was to tape the sounds.There was no internet and those that bought the boots didn't think about the moral implications.We are thirty plus years on and you can now get the music legitimately...People had to travel to hear the latest sounds which was why there were fewer venues/better attendances and more tunes being broken.I know that Dave Godin and "he who shall not be named" were very vocal against the bootleggers and deejays had to cover up to enable them to give tracks a longer shelf life.I know that by playing a seventies boot the money is not going into criminals pockets now.I don't buy boots but are there people still manufacturing northern boots in this day and age?.I just don't get it?.So you are buying a modern vinyl boot and feeding the criminals pockets.You are denying an American artist their deserved dues.Why don't you play a cd and at least the artist will have had the chance of some recompense.Is it vanity? oh look I'm playing vinyl?.If it is then it is a deluded vanity and you are actually destroying the ethos of the "the scene" ie paying tribute in your own small way to the music of black America.You are denying an artist financial recompense.. At least from the original pressing they did get money (whether it was a goo deal/bad deal/flat fee or not),you are contributing to stagnation (there are dedicated people out there who trawl through boxes of crap to find these gems) .Think of the scenario where all the venues that play originals(and the deejay/crate diggers) die out leaving the boot playing deejays.Where are the next big sounds coming from?? Joe Jama etc etc would not have been discovered.The boot playing deejays are not going to be looking for records.The record dealers would die out.I personally have friends who have northern bootleg/CD collections who deejay at local events.I refuse to go and they can't understand it.The argument is "snob" "elitist" ...........they don't understand that when you get into it you get into it and that includes original vinyl and the ethos of "keeping the faith" and not just lip service.

And if anyone had a legitimate right to make money from the northern soul scene it is Tommy Hunt and not some pirate bootlegger getting rich on other peoples efforts.He signed a legitimate contract with Spark and released records to limited success.Disco Demand and Dave Mcaleer did the same and released legitimate product as did Grapevine. I received an unreleased take of Tony Gallas In Love from the man himself on the understanding it was for my own use....would i be keeping the faith if i pressed up a few hundred copies and made money by selling them and would you be keeping the faith by playing it.I think not.I'm sorry to use that term in 2011 but it has probably more resonance now than ever.

I should have picked another example......say John Hampton on Dottys or any of the hundreds of other boots.Spark was legitimate ....ouch you get my drift.

Historically records were dropped once they had been booted.Most of the boots were made in the seventies and a lot of our treasured artists were still alive and if their records were reissued legitimately they would have received income.The money made from the bootlegs lined criminal pockets when it could have lined the artists pockets.Simple .Buying a boot then was filling criminal coffers and not the artists pockets.Who was buying them....mostly young kids desperate for sounds.Thirty plus years on.....thirty years of age/experience and we have those same artists (the ones that are alive) visiting these shores to experience our love for their music.All those advocating the playing of boots......how would you feel if say Tommy Hunt came up to the decks as you were playing your crackin up boot."Hey I didn't realise it was released on that, I never got any royalties from that"....mmmm "yeah Tommy keep the faith!!!". Don't people have a sense of pride in their records/deejaying as well....it's like a master craftsman turning up with tools from Poundstretcher. I wonder what the rare and the northern soul scene event guide would be like if there was a mass culling of cd/boots/carver gigs.Keeping the faith seems like empty rhetoric to some people and you can't even blame it on age. If youre ovo only no matter what you do stick it on your flyers.....and give soulsource a plug as well.

BBC FOUR it was from a 4 or 5 episode series on dance culture.It's in their archive.They touched on northern soul and showed this tiny clip which is wherethe youtuber got it from.Seems like they were fobbing Tim Brown off.I did have that play on dvd as well but it's gone astray.Great Grapevine soundtrack as well.

It's not on here but when Whistle Test did their northern soul reporting they used footage of a black lad cartwheeling and going into splits.Not on this clip.I'm assuming that was from the Something Else programme from 1980... at 2.35 on here

So the adidas trainers man footage is probably Something Else from 24/5/80 (is this the same footage where the black lad goes to handstand and splits?),school hall/no tops is from Omnibus 9/8/78 ,hooped socks footage may be from Omnibus as well?? Re Footsee...that is still in the BBC archives....look at the top left hand corner a BBC logo. Re Omnibus i recently got the skinhead/greasers episode.A full programme so this Omnibus probably exists somewhere.Anybody know what it was about?

I actually wrote to Tom Hassett in Letchworth and got no reply.Dave Kil said he fimed it on the balcony from a handheld super 8 camera the same night at the Granada cameras were there.I have the sneaky suspicion that the footage on the Springers clip looks earlier than 1980 though and we haven't seen the So It Goes footage??? I have got some amazing colour footage of the mid seventies scooter rallies from 75/76 so the stuff is out there.Here's another taster from the same footage....hooped coloured socks in 1980??? https://www.youtube.com/user/dundee2wigan#p/u/0/KuomXuwtPbE

I'm sure the second was Something Else ....a programme made and introduced by a load of kids looking at certain aspects of their lives.I think the Wigan one was about a few kids from Skelmersdale who went to Wigan.I'm sure a mate of mine has the full programme on video somewhere.His family had a video recorder early on.. I'm going to raid his tape cupboard.That school footage is amazing if it is mocked up.....

Seen these clips a few times and we have had a thread about TOTP and Footsee...but can anyone ID the other pieces of footage.I have always led to believe that the footage of lad in adidas trainers doing a handstand was from a yoof tv programme called So It Goes or Something Else from 78/79.Is this from the same footage where the black lad handstands into splits? (not on this).The other footage looks like a school hall.This was on the northern soul documentary that came with a CD from a few years ago.Where was it from ? By the way there's still no evidence that D Drugs handheld super 8 footage from the Casino balcony is still footage is still in existance in Letchworth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di02cko2SMM

Got a copy of this on demo...time to sell I think.I have always collected the "harder" aspect of latin music.Anybody else on here collects this stuff?

Payment via paypal gift please.Records will be sent secure post.Email to reserve kevin.johansen@btinternet.com Very rare UK only R&B track released on Airborne. Record is in excellent condition..looks unplayed.Label is unblemished as well.Does not come up for sale £250.00...soundfile not actual record.Nothing But Love/Rose-A-Lee The Carletts monster double sider Lost Without Your Love/I'm Getting Tired.Original US Capitol.Record in excellent condition as is label.£230.00.Sound not from the actual record.

Blues And Soul Sept 10th-23rd 1971 funnily enough the issue where Dave Godin visits the Mecca......I bet his replacements were all on black and white labels

It looks good.....tats on knuckles, fag smoking,naughty boy stuff and a Tony Wilson type.....got some mid seventies northern scooter scene cine footage if they want it.

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