Pete S

I can't wait to see what the reaction is to this.

What do you mean by that?? (only joking!)

Which is why I put R & B and early 60's dancers!

I can't take anymore

Just go back to doing whatever it is you do when you're not being an arse...

Oh Kev I am so sorry, I forgot you, THANK YOU

Wibble.

Yeah it sounded like a cross between both really...great tune though

No, they are all Rhythm & Blues records. After that, they can be deep soul, northern soul, afro soul,funk and so on. But how many branches of Northern Soul are there? Not many. R & B in the context of this topic is an offshoot of Northern Soul.

Cheers Benji. Just leaves Jimmy Gresham and Deb Tones.

Yeah I think I did stick 125 on it and sold almost immediately, thank you ! Not sure I could bring myself to put £60 on that other one though..

The bloody topic is about people's R & B top 3's, where do they play these, Reggae nights? Jazz festivals? Folk concerts? Oh thats right, Northern Soul nights... f*ck this I'm off to pick my kid up from school

WTF's the matter with you today, I'm talking about ONE RECORD by Ray Agee called I'M LOSING AGAIN and I'm saying that it's a NORTHERN SOUL record of the highest order, of course it's R & B, all black artist records like this are R & B, but here, in the UK, you know, the place that basically has had a Northern Soul scene since the mid 60's, it's classed as NORTHERN SOUL first and foremost. And R & B as a genre of music in the proper sense covers millions of tracks, I'm not talking about R & B in the last 15 years definition of it as a sub-genre of Northern Soul.

So what?

Lovely thank you

Has anyone ever woke up one morning and said "I'm going to record a Northern Soul track"? Yet there are thousands of Northern Soul tracks. Or are they no longer Northern Soul tracks, they are in fact "R & B" tracks and for the last 45 years we haven't had a clue what we've been listening to? We called it by the wrong name, this cult that played special music that was different to everything else...all the time it was simply R & B

Wooosh straight over your head as well...

PETE SMITH pete.smith@freeuk.com 01902 326306 HERE'S A LIST OF R & B AND EARLY 60's DANCERS, IT'S A PRETTY MIXED BAG BUT RUNS MAINLY FROM 1962 TO 1965. ALL PLAY GRADED FIRSTLY. ERNESTINE ANDERSON - YOU'RE NOT THE GUY FOR ME - SUE W/DEMO EX-/EX 70 EDDIE ALSTON - GONNA GET ME A WATCHDOG - BARRY EX 30 DOUGLAS BANKS - AIN'T THAT JUST LIKE A WOMAN - GUYDEN W/DEMO EX+ 300 BONNIE & THE TREASURES - HOME OF THE BRAVE - PHI DAN EX 30 JOHN BOWIE - A FOOL I WOULD BE / I NEVER FELT SO LONELY - CHANTE EX 80 G.L. CROCKETT - WATCH MY 32 - 4 BROTHERS EX+ 15 CAROLYN CARTER - I'M THRU - JAMIE W/DEMO EX 30 CHRIS CLARK - DON'T BE TOO LONG - VIP DEMO EX 40 JAMES CONWELL - THE TROUBLE WITH GIRLS (OF TODAY) - 4J EX 75 FATS DOMINO - WORK MY WAY UP STEADY - BROADMOOR EX+ 20 THE DRAPERS - YOUR LOVE HAS GONE AWAY - GEE W/DEMO EX+ 100 TROY DODDS - TRYING TO FIND MY BABY / EARTHQUAKE - BAYTOWN EX 20 FATS DOMINO - IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT LOVE IS - ABC DEMO EX 30 THE ELITES - SIR GALLAHAD - ERA DEMO EX+ 20 CAROL FRAN - IT'S MY TURN NOW - PORT EX+ 25 WADE FLEMONS - I CAME RUNNING BACK - VEEJAY EX- 20 EDDIE FLOYD - BABY BYE - SAFICE EX 15 MILLIE FOSTER - LOVE WHEEL - PRESIDENT DEMO EX 50 CAROL FRAN - ANY DAY LOVE WALKS IN - PORT DEMO EX 60 CAROL FORD - RUN BABY - FEDERAL EX+ 30 MILT GRAYSON - YOUR OLD STAND BY - DERBY EX+ 150 RICKY GEE - I WILL GET YOU THERE - CONDUC EX 10 JIMMY GRIFFIN - A LITTLE LIKE LOVIN' - REPRISE EX 20 GERRI GRANGER - CASTLE IN THE SKY - BIG TOP DEMO EX- 30 JIMMY GRESHAM - NOBODY KNOWS (THE TROUBLE I SEE) - KITTY EX HELEN GLOVER - I WON'T TAKE YOU BACK - NELBER DEMO VG++ 30 THE IMPACTS - PIGTAILS IN HER HAIR - DCP VG++ 30 Labels are on the wrong sides. Totally brilliant record this. MARY JOHNSON - THESE TEARS - FOXY EX 75 JERRY JACKSON - GYPSY EYES - KAPP DEMO VG+ 30 Plays EX RUBY JOHNSON - CALLIN' ALL BOYS - V TONE VG/EX 25 Clicks first 20 seconds PAUL (GUITAR RED) JOHNSON - PRETTY EYED BABY - CHECKER EX 20 WALT JESSUP & THE PRIMETTES - ROLL ON - PUSSYCAT EX 25 WALTER JACKSON - OPPORTUNITY / IT WILL BE THE LAST TIME - COLUMBIA DEMO EX 50 CHRISTINE KITTRELL - IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT / I'M A WOMAN - VEEJAY EX 15 FREDDY KING - ONE HUNDRED YEARS - FEDERAL EX 40 KING SOLOMON - SITTIN' HERE THINKIN' - FRANKLIN PRODUCTIONS EX 20 CHRISTINE KITTRELL - CALL HIS NAME - FEDERAL EX- 30 BUDDY LAMP - MY TEARS - DOUBLE L DEMO EX 30 LUCKY LAWS - I'M NOT TEASING - LU CEE EX 30 SOLD MISS LaVELL - RUN TO YOU - DUKE EX 20 SOLD CALVIN LEAVY - THAT'S WHERE I AM - SOUL BEAT EX 25 SOLD LITTLE TOMMY & THE ELGINS - I WALK ON - ABC EX 40 GENE McDANIELS - IT'S A LONELY TOWN - LIBERTY DEMO EX 15 JOHNNY NASH - WHAT KIND OF LOVE IS THIS - GROOVE EX- 75 BROOKS ODELL - THE LIVELY ONES /STANDING TALL - COLUMBIA W/DEMO EX- 60 AZIE MORTIMER - YOU'RE ASHAMED OF ME - UNITED ARTISTS DEMO EX 25 WILLY McDOUGAL - DON'T TURN AWAY - KINARD VG++/EX 125 SOLD Few marks but plays great LaCHARLES - McCOY - LET'S TALK IT OVER - AMC EX+ 75 MR. TEARS (PARIS) - DON'T LEAD ME ON - 4J VG+ 20 Ring wear THE PEPPERS - LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER - PRESS DEMO EX 20 PAULETTE PARKER - (GIMME BACK) MY LOVE - DUKE EX 15 JACKIE PAINE - NO PUPPY LOVE - JETSTREAM EX 60 LAROSE PHILLIPS - WANTED - GOLDISC DEMO EX 50 BILLY PROPHET - PUPPET ON A STRING - MERRIMAC EX 75 THE PROFILES - TAKE A GIANT STEP (WALK ON) - GOLDIE EX 60 THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS - BRING YOUR LOVE TO ME - MOONGLOW EX 10 AL REED - SORRY ABOUT THAT - AXE EX 25 FAY SIMMONS - IF THIS IS GOODBYE - TUFFY EX 20 SINGING SAM - MOVE IT BABY - DAN-DY EX 20 THE STOKES - CRYSTAL BALL - ALON EX+ 25 SOLD Sounds like the instrumental to Benny Spellman's Fortune Teller MERLE SPEARS & THE TREATS - I WANT TO KNOW - ATLANTIC W/DEMO EX 80 DEE DEE SHARP - DEEP DARK SECRET - CAMEO EX 120 GOODIE WILSON - THE DOOR BELL RINGS - TITANIC EX 30 LUTHER THOMAS - SHE'LL STICK BY ME - PUNCH EX+ 50 VIRGIE TILL - I DIDN'T STEAL YOUR DOG - GLOVER EX 40 MOSS TOLBERT - MONEY IN MY POCKET - VEEJAY EX 45 SAMMY TAYLOR - DON'T LIE (KISS TOMORROW GOODBYE) - ENJOY EX 20 PATIENCE VALENTINE - UNLUCKY GIRL - SAR EX 50 NAT WRIGHT - I'M GLAD IT WAS YOU - PETAL EX 100 PEARL WOODS - SIPPIN' SORROW - DAWN EX 40 THE WANDERERS - SOMEBODY ELSE'S SWEETHEART - CUB DEMO WOL EX 40 JOHNNY WYATT - HANG UP THE PHONE - CHALLENGE DEMO EX 40 BABY WASHINGTON - RUN MY HEART / YOUR FOOL - SUE EX 30 JANIE WELSH - OPEN ARMS CLOSED HEART / I CAN'T STOP THINKING 'BOUT YOU - GDC EX 30 JUNIOR WELLS - I'M GONNA CRAMP YOUR STYLE - BRIGHT STAR DEMO EX+ 15 DORIS WILSON - BIG FLAME (IS GONNA BREAK MY HEART IN TWO) - AUTHENTIC EX 200 Mark on vinyl not affecting play YOUNG JESSIE - I'M A LOVIN' MAN- MERCURY DEMO EX 40 TIMI YURO - I AIN'T GONNA CRY NO MORE - LIBERTY DEMO EX 25 TIMI YURO - INSULT TO INJURY - LIBERTY VG++ 15 I TAKE CARDS, PAYPAL, BANK TRANSFER, CHEQUE etc PAYPAL NAME IS pete.smith@freeuk.com PLEASE NOTE I DO NOT RESERVE RECORDS, THEY ARE SOLD ON A FIRST COME, FIRST PAY BASIS POSTAGE RATES HAVE CHANGED AGAIN, 1ST CLASS RECORDED IS NOW £2.30 FOR ONE RECORD WITH NO EXTRA CHARGE FOR 2 ADDITIONAL ITEMS. SPECIAL DELIVERY IS £7.00 OVERSEAS: EUROPE IS £3.20 AIRMAIL, £9.00 REGISTERED POST. ITEMS OVER £40 NEED TO GO BY REGISTERED POST. REST OF THE WORLD IS £4.20 AIRMAIL, £9.50 REGISTERED POST. ITEMS OVER £40 NEED TO GO BY REGISTERED POST.

Thanks Gene - blimey!

That's The Downliners Sect right? I found one of their albums at a boot sale, mono Columbia, still have it in fact, one side mint, the other side totally destroyed with a compass or something by some maniac, gutted to say the least...

This also falls under my "this used to be Northern but now it's R & B?" banner

Okay I promise no more after these last few, I've found most of them here and there but the pices vary so widely that I thought I would ask if anyone has bought or sold any of them recently, or know anything about them THE TOM EMMANUEL AND RON EXPERIENCE - WHEN YOU LOSE YOUR GROOVE / WHY (THE KNOWER) - GOLDEN THREE RECORDS Both sides pretty poor crossover by the sounds of it WILLY mCDOUGAL - DON'T TURN AWAY - KINARD R&B ish Northern dancer JIMMY GRESHAM & THE GIBSON KINGS - NOBODY KNOWS (THE TROUBLE I SEE) / NOW THAT I HAVE YOU - KITTY 005 Seen this all over the place but with possibly different a and b sides? DELORIS EALY - FINDERS KEEPERS / WHERE WERE YOU - VELVET Funkyish dancers, bog standard CHET DAVENPORT - CAN'T GET OVER YOU / THE PRESIDENTIAL SONG - TOEHOLT Modern THE DEB TONES - KNOCK ON WOOD / GROOVY GENERATION - ANGELTOWN Groovy Generation sadly not the Billy Kennedy song. B side shocking cover of EF LARRY CAPELL - HUSH, HUSH - RCA DEMO Never heard of this. Teddy Vann produced/arranged thank you

Today I am doing an R&B list - I tried the books, and popsike, but at the end of the day I got practically all my prices from Soul Source

So what you are saying Chalky is that all prices in the book should have 20% taken off them? Then why not start at the 20% off figure, I don't get it.

I wonder how many earn over £50,000 or whatever it is to qualify to pay vat?