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If it's a fit for that Roulette Chuck Wood then I vouch and correct all. Even what follows. But we could mostly benefit from a sharper image of it and circumstantial informations on or with it. Like the source of it and how come it ended-up being used to promote the UK Big T release in October 1967... Hence we've all seen misuses of wrong photos of American artists given to another on here in Europe... Maybe in the States too but I have nob such example. Still my impression is that this photo doesn't seem to have been taken in 1967. Before yes. Implying it could tell us totally another story behind it.

According to what is given on Datcogs (but with 'inter-links so likely plausible not only gibberish) that Lee Roye (and the Emeralds) is also Leroy Jones and/or Smith of Leroy and the Drivers on Coral and Duo rather familiar with us soul buffs so taking it all in other leads, directions and singing category for a "plausible" fit.

Yes seen that photo but isn't that likely the Chuck Wood who's got earlier (older like photo) that has a 45 on Warner Brothers in 1961 or even the one later on ERA in 1965 ? Both West Coast recordings too and most likely another singer. Meaning another Chuck Wood like J.R. Bailey as Al Wilson on wand is/was another Al Wilson than 'the snake' fame one...

BANG ON ! That's 'tastic. Brilliant year correction. Never cared for NaWay 😉 but indeed nice to know the month of release or about as it is an important record in the 'rare' Detroit soul mythology none the less. My Patti Drew favorites though sits there too 🙂 Phil Flowers's decent dancer also although not much more significant than that. Keep em coming 🍽️

THE MAN ! Fabulous. Thanks a great big bunch. Set it to September for a close enough estimation.

Thanks for the unseen musical revues chronicles heads-up but yes I'm looking for these harder later bits to locate in time...

Would anyone know if there's a difference between both releases in their mastering and/or mix ? From what could be fooling like from both John Manship's YouTube sound clips the Noel gain seems louder for one than that of the Dot release. For two the Dot press seem to have pushed on some channels to bring forth the low freqs forward. Making in comparison the whole tone on the 'coming right back' side at least of the Noel release more open on the high frequencies side of things. But is that really the case as the JM YT Noel mp3 is 4 years old where the Dot one is 8 months old. John Manship's recording settings could have change since just as he changes from cartridges and stylus from time to time to fool this mp3 comparison. Has anyone here compared them both 'coming right back' sides directly to tell any better if ever ?

In the quest of figuring out in Gino's discography what few issues came out in what order and how far appart further down came the followings releases wonder. Went and did my little homework and came up with this DIY trial at it. Showing in red and question marks the months gaps and/ or guesses for years. Now I know most of these numbers will prove very difficult to establish as they are Gino's own little self made and promoted products and chances are thin to find any revues in music papers for example. Still I take my chance. Washpan WM3122 'what can a man do' 09/1967 CORRECTED ! Washpan WM3124 'do you have that soul' 03(?)/1968 month unknown Washpan WM3125 'I really love you' 05(?)/1968 (the Tamangoe's) month unknown Washpan WM3128 'what can a man do' 07 (?)/1968 (the Randy Gibson Trio) month unknown Atac SW7823 'I'll be around' October 09(?)/1968 month unknown Mala 12,029 'I'll be around' 10/1968 Perfecta SW2870 ''hey football' 12(?)/1968 month unknown Atac SW7824 'doing the popcorn' 03(?)/1969 month unknown Atac SW7824 'foxy lady' 04(?)/1969 (the Soul Agents) baring the same catalog number ! month unknown Atac A101 'doing the popcorn' 05/1969 Atac A102 'I'll be around' 08/1969 Atac SW7825 'here I am' 11(?)/1969 month unknown Atac AT2878 'oh no not me' 01(?)/1970 month unknown Pride PR4 'oh no not me' 05/1970 Atac AT2879 'flying high' (?)/1970 (Tim Daugherty) month & year actually unknown ? Perfecta AT2880 'I lost you girl' (?)/1970 month & year actually unknown ? Atac AT2743 'it's winter' (?)/1971 month & year actually unknown ? Atac AT2828 'I'm so in love' (?)/1973 month & year actually unknown ? Atac AT2829 'you got me in a whirlpool' 09/1975 SORTED !!!

An old boot for that ? I can't think of anything booted from him really. Only his early Philips 'you're the one' got an official re-release on USA Philips to supply the UK Northern Soul demand. This 45 on Gala was never anything really regarded up to recently because it's rarer and interesting as odd somehow in regard of his other gear. It's really not the best period of Ronnie Walker IMHO. As far as I understand it's the rarity that arose the interest of a broader deep pocket collector's newcomers of hipsters after the recent releases of his early gear on Impact 45's that start to boost all his 45's prices.

The more I listen to J.R. Bailey's 'Too Late' and the flip 'hold back the dawn' on Mala which imprinted my ears 35 years ago next to J.B. Troy's 4 Musicor sides (although I know 'Live On' from almost 40 years) they each really evidently sound like the one and same singer that is J.R. Bailey ! The similarities on these are more relevant to compare than with other J.R. Baileys previous or later recordings to optimize such comparison in trial of the singing on similar kinda musical arrangements. Awaiting now what Bobby and Jeff could tell us over those J.B. Troy recordings...

Ooh yeah ! That would be great indeed ; words from one of the close horse's mouth.

There could be as about everything is getting booted/reissued nowadays and am surprised to see new ones every other week or so. But I haven't seen one yet if there is one FWIW.

Don't be. Sorry that is. Great leads IMO. Listening to the flip of both "dancer" sides of Lee Roye and Rubin where the singing is somewhat less "intense" one can indeed hear the similarities and possibility of a Vernon Harrell if ever. As for J.B. Troy there's really not much to go on and the risk to go on the easy lead with the initials of J.B. as in Troy for a Jimmy Bailey avatar might just prove too easy to fall for and actually be nothing else but another fool's lead... But as @Goldsoul stated in an old post resurrected by @Source admin Rubin would be JR. Bailey according to one of JR close friend's. All very hypothetical still but closing in on those three avatars that are Rubin, Lee Roye and J.B. Troy. Although J.B. Troy singing is so close to Jimmy Ralph's singing these could likely be the same one and the same. And while listening again to Lee Roye's 'who am I' still leaves me hearing Jimmy Ralph's plaintive typical rendition and "articulation". And Rubin singing as you state on his 'you're my everything' shows a rather "rawer" and "dryer" timber and articulations between tones and pitch that is closer to Vernon Harrell's singing. The 'ONE' contender likely not to attribute to J.R's list of avatars. Making this chart like so now ; 03-65 Jimmy Bailey first of five singles on Columbia 04-66 his fifth and last with Johnny Northern & Vernon Harrel 07-66 J.B. Troy 'ain't the truth' with Johnny Northern & Robert Banks IS LIKELY J.R. 09-66 Al Wilson 'help me' with Johnny Northern & Robert Banks IS J.R. 10-66 J.B. Troy 'live on' with Johnny Northern IS LIKELY J.R. 06-67 Chuck Wood 'seven days too long' with Schwartz & Vernon Harrel IS J.R. 10-67 Rubin 'you've been away' with Schwartz & Irwin COULD BE VERNON HARRELL 02-68 Chuck Wood 'I've got my light...' with himself (his worse here FWIW) IS J.R. 06-68 Lee Roye 'tears' with Rudy Clark IS LIKELY J.R. 07-68 J.R. Bailey 'too late' with Rudy Clark & Johnny Northern

Right so the consensus on Chuck Wood like for sure, Rubin and Al Wilson could very well be and Lee Roye and J.B. Troy begs for more certification at this point. Thanks. Keep 'em coming.

Well such adventures can never be proved as such. Most of the times it will be words from third parties that would tell their version of the story like "rumors". In the best case scenario it's the artist him/herself admitting to it that will act as testimony. But no photos, no biography and/or no backgrounds are hints too...

It is not established but "accepted" as a fit in regard of time, location and people surrounding that Chuck Wood, Al Wilson on Wand and Rubin on Kapp could effectively be avatar's pseudos for Jimmy Ralph Bailey's not so commercial marketable projects. Where he would even travesty his versatile voice to impersonate his short lived avatars. Listening the other day at my friend's place to his album of J.R. Bailey on MAM he, soulshrews, asked me if I knew who was Lee Roye or if I knew him to be J.R. or not. My answer came instinctively that in regard of the acetate version of 'tears' with the credit J.R. Bailey appearing on it and from 'ear' memory it didn't sound like the Lee Roye we know. As the album played on I kept on giving J.R.'s singing all my attention. Hearing more and more his notorious singing versatility and ability with great ease to swiftly change from tone and timber while keeping up with the tune I began to wonder... Plunging back into some old thread on here it all came back about his other avatars. So got to establish this window time frame of his little 1966 to 1968 different avatars differing from his partially or abbreviated real full name. In chronology, place and people surrounding these glorious 45's it all becomes even more coherent and comprehensive. What do you all think ? Is this missing something ? Can we conclude ? Or not ? 03-65 Jimmy Bailey first of five singles on Columbia 04-66 his fifth and last with Johnny Northern & Vernon Harrel 07-66 J.B. Troy 'ain't the truth' with Johnny Northern & Robert Banks 09-66 Al Wilson 'help me' with Johnny Northern & Robert Banks 10-66 J.B. Troy 'live on' with Johnny Northern 06-67 Chuck Wood 'seven days too long' with Schwartz & Vernon Harrel 10-67 Rubin 'you've been away' with Schwartz & Irwin 02-68 Chuck Wood 'I've got my light...' with himself (his worse here FWIW) 06-68 Lee Roye 'tears' with Rudy Clark 07-68 J.R. Bailey 'too late' with Rudy Clark & Johnny Northern During that window time frame Jimmy Ralph Bailey did not use his name on any edited record. This also adds water to the mill as this implies that he was not tied with an exclusive contract. and FWIW his name 'Bailey' also often appears as co-composer on many of these releases as well...

Boot ? Promo reissue you mean with the "box" logo with the 'U' next to the 'A' ? The original is the "badge" like logo with the 'a' in the 'U'.

Mmh well neither my Safari our Firefox navigators get to 'click' on anything from your added links. Hans's links got me to 'click' on 'em and land on MixCloud but with the 404 error message... Mysteries (NOT) of the 'black box'.

Jaco got sorted on this Russ quick fix but it still does not work at all for me... Am on my MacBook Air lap top. Is that the culprit ? Not to worry as I found them all on MixCloud so was only trying to shout out to Hans to fix this on here for others if ever.

Hi Hans on my end none of the link work and I get a '404 ERROR - PAGE NOT FOUND' page arriving on mix cloud... Am I the only one ? Cheers, Timmy

Dionne's orchestration is way too light for me, Maxine almost Bossa-Nova tempo makes it almost another tune where Big Maybell's strong, deep felt and grave voice fits the composition like a glove. I'm not a Dionne lover so that's out and Maxine can be a fantastic singer with the right gear. Only less here for me.

Amol Lessur at it again and also this most misleading (Sousan ?) styrene press (Belgium still Rules ! LOL) ;

The Dapps were a band of musicians and singers. The Soul Believers do the singing there evidently. The sung gear by the Dapps is another matter and am sorry Mal but they sound nothing like some NYC harmony act. And eminently not sounding black rooted one bit. Honestly never have I been into their few "soul' gear FWIW. Covering the O'Jays or Linda Jones while replacing George Kerr by JB or what have you is very risky to my judgmental ear. Having to tell politely to friends that were proud of their new found discovery 45 on king of the Dapps 'I'll be sweeter tomorrow' while most likely pulling a frown on my face telling them 'I still prefer the O'Jays or Linda' (am not good at lying) was uneasy. Now as for the musicians that they are although they are less "groovy" or "fluent" than the JB's they are tight and energetic for another kind of flow. In some bits interesting. Like with the Soul Believers...

DOH my bad... Evidently. My dislike for both records lead me to mix them up. Ever since that too. Although I love materials from both groups. My apologies to all. Back on track now.

February 1967 !!! Was it repress to supply demand for a second 'revive' as a recent oldie...