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Jay Wiggins "Forgive then Forest" (Forget really) hit the WEBB charts in January 1964 and peaked on the stns listing at No.2 on Feb 14th. So I guess the initial release of the 45 (the tracks on which must have been cut in mid to late 63) would have been around New Years 64 (unless little indie labels ignored the major's policy of not releasing new 45's after mid December time).

The track that gave Boogaloo Joe Jones his 'music biz' name ........ He needed it, as there were quite a few Joe Jones in the US music biz (Philly Joe Jones, etc).

I realise that.... that's the reason I would like to hear the 'other' version, as I hate the lyrics to "Slow Fizz" itself.

The 'Wicked One' living up to his name by playing a Swinger's bar in1972 ........

Soul, jazz, Latin (& rock) all featured at this 1974 music festival ..........

There's a film out titled "The Sapphires" about a female soul group .... they play for the US troops in Vietnam .. ..... but they are from Australia, so the story is not based on the US group (who were male/female anyway) at all ............ A 'soundtrack' CD is to be released in the near future (Nov ?) & it seems it's the ladies who act in the film actually performing th vocals on the tracks it features ..... ... you can listen to the tracks here -- https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-music&field-keywords=the+sapphires&x=9&y=21 A clip (trailer) from the film .........

I bought a copy (really cheap: 2/9d I seem to recall) of "Slow Fizz" blind (off a UK record auction list) back in the late 60's -- coz I loved the group's "Gotta Have Your Love" so much. Always hated the lyrics (mindless dance related words), so never took to the track. Sold it cheap to a mate from Sheffield (who was getting into mobile disco DJing) in the early 70's. If the 'alternate' version has decent lyrics, I wouldn't mind hearing it.

Kris, thanks for that. Yep, the origins of Boogaloo / Bugaloo is as clear as mud .... ............ a montage of some Boogaloo 45 label scans ....

Jay Wiggins myspace page ...... https://www.myspace.c...igginsakamajeed His follow up 45 was also initially released on IPG but also on his own JW label. His later 45's came out on a label that bore a DC address. The SirShambling site says that his Amy 45 came out a good while after the IPG version (as it's Amy 955, that would make it June 1966).

Yep, not a soul fan.

The Washington reference means that the 45 was a breakout single in the DC area and was being flagged up as such by Billboard. Jay Wiggins was always a popular live draw in DC & Baltimore in the 1963/64 period (many of his 45's charting in Baltimore) ......

45's from a few Boogaloo artists were doing well in some cities at the end of 1966 ....... I guess it shouldn't be a suprise that Lou Courtney cut a Boogaloo track in 1967, after all he did use Gloria Toote's Town Sound Studios in Englewood, NJ around that time.

Detroit comes to Miami ....

Back to the Apollo yet again ,,,,

A UK Boogaloo track .............. from Keith Mansfield .... ... the guy who did a few BBC TV sports show themes ........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gQPkVGS4oc

Tommy & Cleve give it a go .............

So who wrote the music for the original version ?? & how did Jerry get his hands on a copy of the unreleased Motown backing track ? .............. (guess Jerry wrote all the lyrics --????-- himself).

Forgot to mention one of my faves ............. CHECKER 1154 from November 1966 .......... Tommy & Cleve -- Boo-Ga-Loo Baby (produced by Gene Redd & co-written by Barnes / Morris / Davis).

The first (?) Boogaloo soul hit ..... Tom & Jerrio ....

Boogaloo was (is) a mix of soul & latin music styles & it first developed in New York area clubs where local black teenagers mixed with the kids of Cuban & Puerto Rican immigrants around 1960. The early exponents of the music included Ray Barreto & Mongo Santamaria. Other Latin guys to make Boogaloo tracks were Willie Rosario, Joe Cuba, Ricardo Ray, Willie Colon, Pucho & Latin Soul Bros, TnT Band, Eddie Palmiera, Cal Tjader, Pete Rodriguez, Bobby Quesada and Johnny Colon. In the mid 60's, soul artists started to get on the 'bandwagon' with the likes of Tom & Jerrio, Chubby Checker, Alvin Cash, Don Gardner & J J Jackson all cutting related tracks. Tom & Jerrio (cutting in Chicago for Eddie Thomas) hit first for ABC-Paramount with "Boo-Ga-Loo" in April 65. Chubby Checker had "Hey You Little Boogaloo" out in summer 1965 (he was always one to jump onto the back of a dance craze) but Parkway was failing and so the track didn't dent the national charts. Don Gardner started something with his "My Baby Likes to Boogaloo" in late 1966. Although it wasn't a big hit, it garnered covers by the likes of the Emperors in the US and King George in Sweden. Of Puerto Rican parents, musician Pete Terrace was a natural for Boogaloo style cuts & he even titled himself 'King of the Boogaloo'. There weren't too many National hits by soul artists who cut Boogaloo themed songs. The Flamingos cut "Boogaloo Party" (Phillips) and this got them back into the chart in the spring of 1966s. Jerrio (this time solo) was back on the case with "Karate Boogaloo" in August 67. Johnny C (also out of Philly) hit very big with "Boogaloo Down Broadway" in September 67. . Others who cut Boogaloo themed tracks were), J J Jackson (summer 66), Roy Lee Johnson (late 66), Quovan (66)s, Chicago's Alvin Cash (late 66) and A. C. Reed, ), James Brown (Smash: March 66), Jackie Lee (68), Brenton Wood (67), Brothers Two, Exotics (67), Inclines, Diane & Carole, Bob Philips, Barry Jones (68), Timmy Thomas (Goldwax: 67). Jazz guys were also quickly on the case. Lou Donaldson, Les McCann, Eddie Harris & John Patton all getting in on the act. Even pop artists such as Sandy Nelson & Paul Revere got involved. The music style spread outside of the US, with Puerto Rican, Mexican, Brazilian & even Jamaican (Toots & Maytals) musicians coming on board. Boogaloo Joe Jones came to prominence in the early 70's & stuck with that name throughout his successful career. Pete Terrace does a Motown cover & Boogaloo's it up .......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynZn6syBtlw Any recommendations for Boogaloo style tracks that get your dancing feet moving ........

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Smash 2015 by Frankie Valli was released in early January 1966, after James Brown's "Try Me" (Smash 2008) had escaped in early December 1965. The Walker Brothers 45 "My Ship Is Comin In" (Smash 2016) had hit the shops on 22 January 1966, whilst Smash 2037 -- Frankie Valli's "You're Ready Now" was issued in mid April 1966. From the above releases I'd say Luther's Smash 45 had been released between mid February & early March 1966.

The US city where Luther Ingram was most popular was St Louis (he was based near there). From the mid 60's right through to his 1st big hit, if one of his 45's was gonna chart anywhere it was in St Louis. His singles even made it onto the St Louis Pop 45 charts on numerous occasions. For instance, in October 65, his Decca 45 "You Never Miss Your Water" was listed on the St Louis Pop charts. Then, after he had signed with Mercury / Smash, his new 45 cut "Foxy Devil" again made the St Louis Pop chart in April 66. He again charted in the city in 67 with "If It's All The Same To You Babe" on HIB in January 67. Finally his Ko Ko 45 "Pity For The Lonely" actually charted nationally in 1969, after first being popular in St Louis. BTW, "Foxy Devil" (Smash 2019) was the other side of "(I Spy) For The FBI". If this 45 first charted in St Louis in mid April 1966, then I doubt it was in the shops as early as December 1965 (unless the local radio DJ's flipped the 45 over after "I Spy" had failed to make any impact locally).

Mark S, obviously a Northern fan .... BUT CERTAINLY NOT a soul fan ..... I have dozens of TC tracks that I rate as being far far better than "Look At Me Now". The man's also great live and a true gentleman to boot (he apologised for making me wait 5 minutes to get a 45 signed).

Richard Lovelace & Jon Charles Meadow -- the 1st seems to have been Detroit connected, the second New York.