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Here is where I read about The Primettes With Barbara Diane Martin as their new fourth, "The Primettes" returned to Motown on a regular basis, constantly waiting for their chance at fame. They would catch the bus every day and hang around the offices admiring their more-established future label-mates recording and walking through the lobby. On several occasions they were lucky enough to be permitted to perform hand-claps, foot-stomps, and even background vocals for other artists such as Mabel John, and Mary Wells. Berry Gordy finally signed the group to Motown in 1961, however not as "The Primettes." He requested that they find a new name for themselves as no one even knew what a "Primette" was. Florence Ballard was given a list of names to choose from that included such monikers as "The Sweet P's," "The Jewelettes," "The Darleens," and "The Supremes" among others. She chose the name "Supremes" because it was different, and didn't have an "ettes" at the end of it. Initially her group-mates were keen on the idea of being called "The Supremes" as they thought it sounded too masculine (a male group from the 50's had been named "The Supremes" and Ruby & The Romantics (featuring three male vocalists) had been called "The Supremes" as well.) However, despite their disappointment, the girls began recording a variety of songs by producers such as Smokey Robinson and Berry Gordy. A handful of these tracks would eventually make up The Supremes' first album, 1962's "Meet The Supremes." However, The Supremes that appeared on the cover of the LP was a trio as Martin left in the spring of 1962. As you state thing get forgotten twisted even lied about over time so who knows https://thesupremes.fandom.com/wiki/The_Primettes

I understood (read somewhere) The Primates changed name in 1961 to The Supremes when Berry signed them

I assume the confusion comes from the CD ? And then this Pickett’s debut, solo, 45 “Let Me Be Your Boy”, recorded in 1961 and released in March 1962 on the Detroit Correc-Tone label. It was pressed at Columbia’s Chicago plant alongside Motown labels Miracle, Gordy and Tamla which is quite fitting since the Supremes can be heard on backing vocals. “Let Me Be Your Boy” was subsequently released on the Cub label for wider distribution before eventually being acquired by Verve in ’66 who also gave it a UK release on their MGM imprint. Today PolyGram Records Inc https://www.northernsouldirect.co.uk/shop/7-vinyl/wilson-pickett-let-me-be-your-boy-june-arthur-alexander-the-girl-that-radiates-that-charm-45-outta-sight-7-vinyl/

There seem to be too many Johnsons now I think Bill is different to Larry I found this connected to Roscoe Weathers and I quote "A Blues Boy Bill Johnson co-written high pitched tin whistle number, or piccolo for those than can distinguish, together with Cuban rhythms give us one of the winning numbers." https://ukvibe.org/album_reviews/roscoe-weathers/

Writers credits for Echoes

Indeed...... Verdunn was Rex Garvin's publishing......back hunting

Looks like we may have another publishing arm ? And might this link reveal our man ? http://doo-wop.blogg.org/larry-the-conservatives-a116516524

Not sure but this may help and here's Barry White again "Takin' Care of Business" Sarah James & The Soul Babies This song was co-produced by Eddie Davis and Wayne Edwards and written by Chick Carlton and Delbert Franklin for R&B Soul singer, Sarah James. Sarah would often perform solo at the piano bar as well as with her trio at the Eddie Davis Night Club in Hollywood, California to standing room crowds. Her powerful voice and great personality made her a favorite in the Night Club Circuit. This recording also features Barry White playing the congas. As Delbert Franklin recalls, "Barry was always trying to make himself useful in the recording studio". The background singers (Soul Babies) also included members of The Sa-Shays. Released in 1967 on Faro Records, it wasn't long before local AM radio stations like KGFJ were playing the song in steady rotation. http://wwwyoufoundthateastsidesoundcom.blogspot.com/2011/05/

I never knew about him what a star !!!!

I never seek credit (it's a mugs game) all that matters is the history (but people do work hard sometimes). Last night on BBC Professor Brian Cox was asked why he always smiled and he said !!! "It's because it's funny. It brings us all down a peg or two, I want to build a statue of myself a permanent celebration of my achievements . There will be no so such monument of your achievements, don't worry about the statues... they're all going to dissolve into a bath of photons." Funniest thing ever said Great thread by the way guys keep it coming....brilliant

Here he is under his birth name

Think your source is this site https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/24983198/ruby-jewel-rowe-opal-louis-nations The group appeared below

Has anyone any info on Ruby (I believe she was married to William Larry Johnson) and I do wonder if Ruby was also Ruby Jean ? .Please direct if this had Been covered before I might be nice to get more about the label (s) and connections please including publishing "Vendo" "Vended" (includes Barry White)

They changed name too (later) Rubber Band

Cheers Mike for that and you made me dig a little deeper and I found this Blog from 2009 http://thehoundblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/birds-still-word.html

Once again we need to clear the confusion This site has a different conclusion, so who is in the photo https://thehoundnyc.com/tag/dossie-terry-thunderbird/

Don't wish to embarrass anyone but it appears that our "guy" according to this website is a she http://www.rocky-52.net/chanteurst/terry_d.htm

RIIP sir, you gave the UK youth a memory that will never be forgotten and one day we will all be "On Our Way"

You cannot compare at all, as with Discogs there is no "end date" and if a record is overpriced, then it simply will not be purchased and will sit there until the end of time. Unless of course the buyer is willing to accept an offer

Steve Jeffries told me 10 years ago as well, that some of his wealthy buyers who paid over the odds were people who could not be bothered to hunt around for cheaper prices and I guess that's the same here with John's auctions.

I don't know if we can blame John for the idiotic people out there who pay these prices I do agree though that buying another price guide is a complete waste of money I believe the new term is "status buyers"

Simple question (I Hope) were they in your opinion A) A duo like Sam & Dave or B) 2 individual artists who just happened to record together

Yes it's in the video above 🤣

A VG copy sold in 2019 fro $90 if that helps She was 16 and blind in 1966 when recorded

It appears that they are still going strong Mr Villar https://upaasvblog.wordpress.com/2018/03/04/villar-records-and-the-birth-of-original-pilipino-music-opm/