Eddie Parker - Love You Baby ASFORD 1A £15

This is the 'repro' with the 'small staggered type set ARCHER stamped matrix in the deadwax'...

Now....The story is I was sold this as an 'original' by MARC FORREST on behalf of his 'friend' RALF FEIGE on Soul Source....I specifically asked if it had the 'large raised ARCHER in the deadwax' and I was told it had so I went ahead with the purchase.....Well, somewhere between Germany and here it miraculously changed to the repro....I have tried countless times to contact RALF FEIGE to return it for a refund to no avail....Make your own conclusions please genuine Northern Soul people out there....

So, here it is for sale at the book price £15....

Please PM me or email sipenfold@btinternet.com

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.....

Eddie Parker - Love You Baby ASFORD 1A £15

This is the 'repro' with the 'small staggered type set ARCHER stamped matrix in the deadwax'...

Now....The story is I was sold this as an 'original' by MARC FORREST on behalf of his 'friend' RALF FEIGE on Soul Source....I specifically asked if it had the 'large raised ARCHER in the deadwax' and I was told it had so I went ahead with the purchase.....Well, somewhere between Germany and here it miraculously changed to the repro....I have tried countless times to contact RALF FEIGE to return it for a refund to no avail....Make your own conclusions please genuine Northern Soul people out there....

So, here it is for sale at the book price £15....

Please PM me or email sipenfold@btinternet.com

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.....

If you bought it through Marc I suggest you send it back now via registered mail and ask him to sort it.

Why lose money?

ROD

If you bought it through Marc I suggest you send it back now via registered mail and ask him to sort it.

Why lose money?

ROD

ROD, I have tried mate.... Marc says it's Ralf's problem and Ralf does not reply to my emails.... I feel sick about it but what can I do??

No idea how much money you lost on the deal but if you bought it via Marc he has some responsibility in this matter IMO.

You're hopefully gonna get £15 which is nothing really so if it were me I'd send it back to Marc and then the problem of contacting Ralf is in his court not yours.

I would imagine that Marc will then try and sort it as he has the 45.

It's really a matter of principle so trying to recoup £15 on the deal doesn't enter into it. If you don't hear 'owt from this course of action then you're only £15 down and you know who to avoid next time you decide to buy a 45.

ROD

Edited May 23, 200916 yr by modernsoulsucks

No idea how much money you lost on the deal but if you bought it via Marc he has some responsibility in this matter IMO.

You're hopefully gonna get £15 which is nothing really so if it were me I'd send it back to Marc and then the problem of contacting Ralf is in his court not yours.

I would imagine that Marc will then try and sort it as he has the 45.

It's really a matter of principle so trying to recoup £15 on the deal doesn't enter into it. If you don't hear 'owt from this course of action then you're only £15 down and you know who to avoid next time you decide to buy a 45.

ROD

Thanks again Rod but as I say Marc is shunning all responsibility of the matter even though it was him who told me it was the original! Marc is saying it is Ralf's responsibility to deal with it and as I say he is ignoring all emails etc etc....I know who to avoid in future and I hope you good folk out there bear this in mind....

Simon

Edited May 23, 200916 yr by southern_soul1

No idea how much money you lost on the deal but if you bought it via Marc he has some responsibility in this matter IMO.

You're hopefully gonna get £15 which is nothing really so if it were me I'd send it back to Marc and then the problem of contacting Ralf is in his court not yours.

I would imagine that Marc will then try and sort it as he has the 45.

It's really a matter of principle so trying to recoup £15 on the deal doesn't enter into it. If you don't hear 'owt from this course of action then you're only £15 down and you know who to avoid next time you decide to buy a 45.

ROD

Thanks again Rod but as I say Marc is shunning all responsibility of the matter even though it was him who told me it was the original! Marc is saying it is Ralf's responsibility to deal with it and as I say he is ignoring all emails etc etc....I know who to avoid in future and I hope you good folk out there bear this in mind....

Simon

No idea how much money you lost on the deal but if you bought it via Marc he has some responsibility in this matter IMO.

You're hopefully gonna get £15 which is nothing really so if it were me I'd send it back to Marc and then the problem of contacting Ralf is in his court not yours.

I would imagine that Marc will then try and sort it as he has the 45.

It's really a matter of principle so trying to recoup £15 on the deal doesn't enter into it. If you don't hear 'owt from this course of action then you're only £15 down and you know who to avoid next time you decide to buy a 45.

ROD

Thanks again Rod but as I say Marc is shunning all responsibility of the matter even though it was him who told me it was the original! Marc is saying it is Ralf's responsibility to deal with it and as I say he is ignoring all emails etc etc....I know who to avoid in future and I hope you good folk out there bear this in mind....

Simon

Hi Simon

If this is the actual sale ,i hate to say it Marc but i really do think you should help Simon out here

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/Tasty-R...by#entry1057485

Nev, cheers for posting that....It appears that Ralf is a very very old friend of Marc's who is 'always very fussy about condition' but obvioulsy not fussy about selling a repro as an original and then not fussy about me returning it to him for a refund (and that's me giving him and Marc the benefit of the doubt and assuming Ralf genuinely believes that it was the original)....This could have been resolved so easily but alas it has come to naming and shaming....

Thanks for refreshing my memory Nev. I did kinda remember the ad.

Simon, really just send it back.

Marc posted listing. Doesn't matter who he was selling for.

ROD

Thanks for refreshing my memory Nev. I did kinda remember the ad.

Simon, really just send it back.

Marc posted listing. Doesn't matter who he was selling for.

ROD

Rod, again alas, but the address Ralf wrote on the package is illegible and again neither Marc, and definitely Ralf, have been forthcoming in supplying an address to return it to....Up the creek without a paddle here mate! Regards, Simon

Just ask on SS for Marc's address or if he reads this thread he'll most likely supply it. Don't give up on this.

ROD

Ah well, so here we go again...

To save all fellow soul source members the time and effort

heres Simons first thread and attempt...

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/Eddie-P...by-t100911.html

So all I have to say (now in public as I have done so several times before via private email communiction) is:

1. Those were not my records, I posted the whole sale for a friend who ain`t a member on here

2. I checked all records before and the Eddie Parker 45 was a mint ORIGINAL (see link above) with the big ARCHER stamp in the run out groove.

3.

Simon complained about said record being the bootleg only two days after the record was posted here in Berlin Germany (on the afternoon by the way..). There is no way at all he could actually already have had received the record when he complained about it being a bootleg.

When Ralf (the seller) immediately asked him to resend the 45 for a refund Simon kept on asking for an adress to "return" the 45 to...which "smelled" to Ralf in a way because if Simon already would have had received the parcel and the 45 he would have not to ask for an adress but only would have to read what senders adress was given on the envelope, would he not ?

"Funnily" enough a week later all of a sudden Simon said he had Ralfs adress now and asked for a confirmation of this adress via email.

Well, I guess he must have had received and read the parcel by now!

So as I am not blind and know what kind of record I was holding and grading when I had said copy in my hands and as I am also not yet stupid enough to believe Simons story work I sadly have to think of a real smelly fraud here. Buying an original and trying to return a boot. Thanks god Simon opened the case already two days after payment had been send and the 45 had gone off as that only just goes to proove he actually never had the bought 45 when he started to claim its a boot!

The seller informed me that Simon also already had started a paypal claim which was turned down by paypal for obvious reasons. I guess that this is the reason for this open public attempt against me now on here ?

I have been trading and selling records ever since I started collecting which is now already 25 years ago and I never ever sold a boot (knowingly) off as an original myself. Furthermore any missunderstanding or problem was solved more or less easy.

Furthermore these reocrds being put up for sale did not belong to me. So having stated that the record was an original anyway I refuse to be responsible for any missunderstandings or controversials between the seller and the buyer. I asked Simon several times to keep me out of it at all (as i got CC in every singel email the two were sending out) and to try to solve this directly with the seller.

I doubt that any of the kind people who for example put up the sales of ravingmadrecords or Joe Dunlop (just to name two who are not members onhere and therefore their sales get listed by other third parties) would take responsibility for each and every sale which finalises thru any of these sales threads.

Thank you for your time,

Marc

Edited May 23, 200916 yr by Marc Forrest

...l but if you bought it via Marc he has some responsibility in this matter IMO....

ROD

He did not buy it via me. I posted the sales, the rest of the deal was done between the seller and the buyer.

He did not buy it via me. I posted the sales, the rest of the deal was done between the seller and the buyer.

Well no doubt we'll now get Simon's side but your account needs an answer especially the 2 day delivery. That does appear unfeasibly fast for Germany to here unless anyone knows different.

However you admit to having and grading the 45 so it's not quite the same as Joe Dunlop or Raving Mad who put their own address on their ads and no doubt do their own grading etc. You kinda got yourself involved there.

ROD

Well no doubt we'll now get Simon's side but your account needs an answer especially the 2 day delivery. That does appear unfeasibly fast for Germany to here unless anyone knows different.

Well exactly. Thats why I said that theres no chance on earth the buyer already had received the record when he actually started saying the record is a bootleg! Further proof for that is that he did not have the sellers adress which he would have had would he actually have had received the package (..).

However you admit to having and grading the 45 so it's not quite the same as Joe Dunlop or Raving Mad who put their own address on their ads and no doubt do their own grading etc. You kinda got yourself involved there.

ROD

Wrong. I did not "admit to having" the records..most of them were mint anyway so there was no need for me to grade them. But as the seller had lost contact with the "scene" since over ten years I helped him pricing the 45s.

The seller did not want to have his contact details in the ad. As mine were not given and every potential buyer who pm´ed me was given the sellers email and paypal contact details in private it is indeed very much the same as Joe Dunlop or Raving Mad who put their own address on their ads!

Of course I did get myself inovolved here...as a friend who helped a mate who wanted to sell some Soul 45s by putting his ad on here. Maybe you have found yourself in an equal position sometime.

Edited May 23, 200916 yr by Marc Forrest

Yet again.....How can I be in the wrong for receiving a record in that time scale?? What am I supposed to do about the 'speedy' time it took to be delivered?? I can guarantee what I am saying is 100% facts and I did not want it to come to this but what else can I do?? If I was to send the record back surely then you would know it was the one you sent as you know an 'original' when you see one??? Oh yes...I do not have the address STILL as the address is STILL illegible on the original package....Right I will try once more, please can I have the address to send it back to for a full refund? As I say surely then you will then see it was the record you sent me??? Why would I lie here? Just PM me or email me and let's just draw a line under the matter.... What would anyone else do if this happened to them??? Perhaps you do not have Manship's latest book with the definition of the original/repro etc? Well as I say I accept that but take John Manship's facts...

Oh yes...I do not have the address STILL as the address is STILL illegible on the original package....Right I will try once more, please can I have the address to send it back to for a full refund?

Its amazing how you keep on expressing lies...you have his adress as you already send me an email in which you wrote his full adress! Remember ? I can copy your email on here if you wish ?

Right I will try once more, please can I have the address to send it back

er, read above please...

Yet again.....How can I be in the wrong for receiving a record in that time scale?? What am I supposed to do about the 'speedy' time it took to be delivered??

Again: I have asked at my post office and there is no way you can receive a parcel any place outside Germany that was posted on an afternoon just 48hrs ago..but again as the seller will start an investigation via the German post we will be able to proove this as yet another lie soon by having the information when you actually got this package delivered.

Perhaps you do not have Manship's latest book with the definition of the original/repro etc? Well as I say I accept that but take John Manship's facts...

I myself have Manships # 5 as well, I myself saw the copy that was send to you. It is the original with the big not staggered ARCHER stamp. As stated over and over again by now.

Its quite easily to detect what you are trying to achieve by repeating false statements over and over again. But let me just once more state loud and clear:

You were never delivered a bootleg at all. You got confimred an original, you paid for an original, you got delieverd an original. You claimed before you got the original delivered to have recieved a bootleg. Thats the situation and that is the situation in which I for sure will not take any responsibilty.

I won`t ask you now to solve this with the seller directly as I tried so since you started and obviously failed. So you go on but rest assured I won`t pay this thread no more attention. Have a great weekend.

Marc

Right thanks Marc....I sent you and Ralf an email with what I thought was the address on the package, no one ever replied to me to confirm this was the address... I had no reply... Why could you not just send the address in the email?? Look, why would I buy this record as you are saying and then send you a repro back? Anyone who knows me knows that I would NEVER do, or even think about, doing that.... I have the package still here, and alas the record, and I say again that I received the record when I did and the record was the repro.....Why would I come onto Soul Source and do all this if I had bought a bargain 'original' from you??? Don't you think I would just zip it at that stage and be happy??? We are just going in circles here.....I have a repro record that you sent me as an original....Plain and simple...I have 'erred' on the side of you not knowing it was the repro until now but now you say you have Manship's 5th edition then I am 'erring' to you knowing from the word go that the record you sent me was the repro as you would have seen that it has the 'staggered small ARCHER stamp on it...Please also tell the German Postal Service to not deliver so quickly next time...

Edited May 23, 200916 yr by southern_soul1

Right thanks Marc....I sent you and Ralf an email with what I thought was the address on the package, no one ever replied to me to confirm this was the address... I had no reply... Why could you not just send the address in the email??

thanks for confirming you posted a lie when saying you had no adress.

....Why would I come onto Soul Source and do all this if I had bought a bargain 'original' from you??? Don't you think I would just zip it at that stage and be happy???

thats a VERY good question...I don´t think I will be able to answer it though.

I have a repro record that you sent me as an original....that the record you sent me was the repro as you would have seen that it has the 'staggered small ARCHER stamp on it...

And again:

I-DID-NOT-SEND-YOU-ANYTHING. YOU-GOT-A-PARCEL-DIRECT-FROM-THE-SELLER. I-AM-NOT-THE-SELLER. THE-RECORD-BEING-SEND-WAS-AN-ORIGINAL-WITH-A-BIG-ARCHER- STAMP.

Full stop.

We are just going in circles here.....

So true.

Please also tell the German Postal Service to not deliver so quickly next time...

Don`t think they did at all so no need to tell them..

"So as I am not blind and know what kind of record I was holding and grading when I had said copy in my hands and"

Im sorry Marc I read the above in Post#11 to mean you'd had the Eddie Parker. In fact later you mention that you'd seen most of the records were Mint so you didn't need to grade them.

Obviously no idea who is in the wrong here but I guess people know Simon and if they believe what he's saying to be true then you're losing future custom by refusing to even check the 45 if he sends it back to you.

Yes it is a hassle but last load I sold on here were for a mate in NJ and I checked them all and woulda helped out if there had been any comeback. I think that's all Simon is asking for really.

I don't know what anyone else thinks who's reading this but right now I'd be wary of selling to Simon and wary of buying from you or Ralf, which is why I'd try and sort it out.

ROD

Edited May 23, 200916 yr by modernsoulsucks

Here we go again.....as the address was illegible i wanted you to confirm that it was the right address after i tried to decipher it...this you never did....would you send a package to an address that you were not sure was correct? Well...I guess I just put this down to experience as I am getting nowhere at all here...Rod, I can assure you I have bought through Soul Source many many times very happily and I am willing to send you the package and see if you can work out the address 100% mate....

Also thinking about it....I have sent stuff to Belgium and it has arrived in 2 days so why would it take longer to get from a very efficient postal service in Germany to the UK??

Anyway...

FOR SALE... a 'repro' Eddie Parker - Love You Baby - Archer 1A £15

Doesn't like to be delivered too quickly and it will definitley arrive as a 'repro' unless it changes to an 'original' en route....

Yes yes yes yes!!!!! Looking closely at the packaging again I see there is a postal frank/mark quite clearly stating 20.04, Ralf said he posted it on the 22.04.... I think this just about sums all this up....

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by southern_soul1

Here we go again.....as the address was illegible i wanted you to confirm that it was the right address after i tried to decipher it...this you never did....would you send a package to an address that you were not sure was correct? Well...I guess I just put this down to experience as I am getting nowhere at all here...Rod, I can assure you I have bought through Soul Source many many times very happily and I am willing to send you the package and see if you can work out the address 100% mate....

Also thinking about it....I have sent stuff to Belgium and it has arrived in 2 days so why would it take longer to get from a very efficient postal service in Germany to the UK??

Anyway...

FOR SALE... a 'repro' Eddie Parker - Love You Baby - Archer 1A £15

Doesn't like to be delivered too quickly and it will definitley arrive as a 'repro' unless it changes to an 'original' en route....

Yes Simon Im not doubting you. All Im saying is that for the independent reader it's hard to tell what went on.

However I did say that those who know you will have made up their minds and those you've bought off on SS will also know they've had problem-free transactions with you so some suspicion can only fall on Marc which isn't good for him if he continues to sell 45s on here.

The earlier date of posting also counters some of Marc's argument. A scan of package with date and illegible address would aid your case I guess.

ROD

Yes Simon Im not doubting you. All Im saying is that for the independent reader it's hard to tell what went on.

However I did say that those who know you will have made up their minds and those you've bought off on SS will also know they've had problem-free transactions with you so some suspicion can only fall on Marc which isn't good for him if he continues to sell 45s on here.

The earlier date of posting also counters some of Marc's argument. A scan of package with date and illegible address would aid your case I guess.

ROD

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by southern_soul1

However I did say that those who know you will have made up their minds and those you've bought off on SS will also know they've had problem-free transactions with you so some suspicion can only fall on Marc which isn't good for him if he continues to sell 45s on here.

ROD

Rod, in all honesty but how can you know that all former transactions with Simon where problem-free ? You have been his advocate all the time then ? Furthermore why do you only give this bonus credit to him and not me also ? I guess there must be over a hundered+ transactions I did via Soul Source without ever having a problem. Interesting really. Furthermore there were about 15 people ordering from this list, Simon the only one who was complaining.

However and quoting your last sentence, I think you and Simon did your best already to destroy my reputation. Well done guys you can be seriously proud of yourselves. Its a joke really when considering I was only posting this fucking sales thread up for a friend.

So my deepest thanks to you guys. And to quote what seems to be Mr. Simon Penfolds most favourite sentence "What Goes Around will come around"..thats for sure.

So send me this fucking 45 then and I will refund you Simon, I hope you are satisfied now. Have a drink on my behalf then with your new found fortune of 50 UKP and keep on enjoying the original copy which you will of course be keeping ? I know who I will avoid in upcoming Sales. So much for sure.

What a bad joke really.

Marc

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by Marc Forrest

Rod, in all honesty but how can you know that all former transactions with Simon where problem-free ? You have been his advocate all the time then ? Furthermore why do you only give this bonus credit to him and not me also ? I guess there must be over a hundered+ transactions I did via Soul Source without ever having a problem. Interesting really. Furthermore there were about 15 people ordering from this list, Simon the only one who was complaining.

However and quoting your last sentence, I think you and Simon did your best already to destroy my reputation. Well done guys you can be seriously proud of yourselves. Its a joke really when considering I was only posting this fucking sales thread up for a friend.

So my deepest thanks to you guys. And to quote what seems to be Mr. Simon Penfolds most favourite sentence "What Goes Around will come around"..thats for sure.

So send me this fucking 45 then and I will refund you Simon, I hope you are satisfied now. Have a drink on my behalf then with your new found fortune of 50 UKP and keep on enjoying the original copy which you will of course be keeping ? I know who I will avoid in upcoming Sales. So much for sure.

What a bad joke really.

Marc

I'd get off your high horse if I were you.

No one has come on to say Simon has ripped them off too. I don't know him at all

All the guy wants to do is send you the 45 back for you to check it is the original or not, and hopefully prove it was the copy you sent. I see nowt wrong with that. If you were then sure it wasn't, you coulda just sent it back.

I actually think you've been unhelpful and coulda sorted this a long time ago.

Mike recently posted about dealings on SS and too many disputes of this kind undermine confidence for all of us IMO.

I've only dealt with you the once and perfect transaction so Im not doing you down. Just surprised you can't see your responsibility in this.

Despite your obvious anger I do think you're now doing the right thing.

ROD

I'd get off your high horse if I were you.

Despite your obvious anger I do think you're now doing the right thing.

ROD

And again your view is very one-sided...so tell me then who has come on to say Marc Forrest has ripped them off too ?

Think some people invoveld in this thread do ride on even higher horses...

I do what I said I will do. But defo not because you or anybodyelse is saying so but only because I decided to do so.

Its still definitely not my duty to do so as it wasn`t my record, I did not sell it, I did not receive the money for it bla bla bla...furthermore I trust my eyes and I trust my friend so I know there are only two explanations, one being that Simon is not able to understand what makes an original copy or -what is more likeley- wanted to exchange a boot for an original the cheap way. Thats my opinion.

I will end up paying 50 UKP outa my pocket for a deal two other parties have done between them. And thats all really that was left for me to say now. I would appreciate if you would leave it at that.

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by Marc Forrest

huh huh

Edited May 24, 200916 yr by Marc Forrest

All resolved....Thank you for your support and I think it is the case of 'don't shoot the messenger'.....

All resolved - thread closed.