I've seen this term for years and have never known what on earth it means.

Can anybody explain the difference between 'normal' R&B and 'new breed'? Who / when / why coined the term?

Thanks in advance...

Ady's sleevenotes on the ACE New Breed R&B CD are here and offer some explanation

New Breed CD

Just means its mainly 50s Rnb

Well, I kinda know the sound. But why the 'new breed' bit? Who coined? What kind of crowd is it? Blah blah blah

Yes the kent new breed RnB CD really turned a good few onto that style... Quality cd for me...

Clubs like the hideaway Manchester were the new breed RnB boys back then..

Not sure who first came up with the term..

Where is Mace when you need him...

It's just yet another name for old music, how many do you need!!?

Ste.

I might be guilty of this. The chaps at the Hideaway and other upcoming clubs were approaching R&B from more of a mod/Northern angle and were playing a lot of records that old R&B fans would have rejected as too poppy or not authentic enough (maybe with strings or female backing vocals). As New Breed was a track on the CD and it was a new angle on old music, I called the CD that and described it in the notes as the whole scene, which was taking liberties but helps to sell discs and was a convenient and quite apt handle.

It could have been worse, we gave the world Acid Jazz!

Ady

I might be guilty of this. The chaps at the Hideaway and other upcoming clubs were approaching R&B from more of a mod/Northern angle and were playing a lot of records that old R&B fans would have rejected as too poppy or not authentic enough (maybe with strings or female backing vocals). As New Breed was a track on the CD and it was a new angle on old music, I called the CD that and described it in the notes as the whole scene, which was taking liberties but helps to sell discs and was a convenient and quite apt handle.

It could have been worse, we gave the world Acid Jazz!

Ady

Cool! Pretty much answered my questions. Thanks, Ady.

Dante this track epitomises New Breed to me, this is from 64 great track!!!!!

https://www.soul-source.co.uk/more/soul-library/31656-little-emmett-sutton-lot-of-money/

As New Breed was a track on the CD and it was a new angle on old music, I called the CD that and described it in the notes...

Out of curiosity ,how many times did you pause before going ahead with: "The big difference was that their favourite records weren't "on the fours" beat, sub-Motown sounds."?

It's the 'sub' bit I have in mind. I used this term around about 1990 with a couple of people and it was a good job I could run faster than they could.

I think the full quote might be about old blues and soul fans so it was their perspective not remotely mine and they reckoned it was all sub!

Ady