Posted March 23, 201213 yr No, thats not short for blackboard ... BUT ... Billboard. As the Jobettes thread has turned all 'techie' thought I'd jump over here ............
March 23, 201213 yr Author Chris Calloway also gets a mention here (as does Beau Ray Fleming, Calculated Productions, Dean Courtney & the Partnership, Venture & Way Out Records).
March 23, 201213 yr Author After Calculated Productions went 'belly up' .... Beau Ray Fleming signed on with Capitol .... here he was assigned Smokin' Joe Frazier to work with.
March 23, 201213 yr Author Last post from me for a few days . ...... but more later on my return .....
March 26, 201213 yr Author By that way, I come across lots of fascinating bits in Billboard by pure accident. You can enter a name (artist / label / etc) to search for ... but lots of times (if you are at a loose end for a few hours) its just as good to pull up a random 60's / 70's edition and read through it as though it is a new 'real' mag you have just purchased.
March 26, 201213 yr Author One of the VERY BEST editions of Billboard to check out (for interesting reading & good photos) ........ ... 22nd August 1970 edition of mag that included a BIG SUPPLEMENT ..... The World Of Soul ....... Articles on Chess + Jerry Butler's Writers Workshop & much more ........ ENJOY .......... https://books.google.com/books?id=lSkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA26&dq=%22World+of+Soul%22&lr=&as_pt=MAGAZINES&cd=5#v=onepage&q=%22World%20of%20Soul%22&f=false
March 26, 201213 yr Author Go to Page 20 of the World Of Soul supplement to see a photo of Billy Butler & Infinity, Larry Wade, Brown Paper Bag (a group that didn't get to enjoy a release to my knowledge), Terry Callier, Chuck Jones & more.
March 26, 201213 yr Author The 1974 Soul Train issue ............ https://books.google....20train&f=false
March 26, 201213 yr Author A picture of the Ovations ............... lifted from Sound Of Memphis ad (see also the good article) ............ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8ycEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA30-IA12&lpg=PA30-IA12&dq=xl+memphis+#v=onepage&q=spotlight%20on%20Memphis&f=false
March 27, 201213 yr Author John Gary Williams & Marvin Smith get mentions in this 1975 mag extract ..........
March 28, 201213 yr Author A Top 20 from 1972 ......... Would you rather have Coffee or Coffey ? Edited March 28, 201213 yr by Roburt
March 29, 201213 yr Author A new label back in the summer of 1961. The Elgins were of course to become the Pirates on Mel-O-Dy but perhaps we know them best as ........ the Temptations
March 29, 201213 yr Author ........ WANTED ..... ...USED RECORDS .. ... Sam Goody went on to become a big retail record discount chain on East Coast. Edited March 29, 201213 yr by Roburt
March 29, 201213 yr Author Anthony Gourdine resigns with UA ...... Edited March 29, 201213 yr by Roburt
March 31, 201213 yr Author I'd like as many test pressings of soul 45's from this place as I can get my hands on
April 1, 201213 yr Author Here's a report on a live show I'd have liked to have been at .... ..... 1965 .... Ruby Johnson, the Vontastics & the Ideals ..... Both group's 45's had been released a few weeks ...
April 2, 201213 yr Author All the way from the Windy City ....... Edited April 2, 201213 yr by Roburt
April 4, 201213 yr Author 1966 & good soul stuff is still pouring out .......... The 45 Chart has fine stuff all over ... but I like those singles @ Nos. 7, 8, 9, 13, 14, 18, 20, 34, 35, 36, 42, 45, 47, 48 & 50 !!! Edited April 4, 201213 yr by Roburt
April 4, 201213 yr ........ WANTED ..... ...USED RECORDS .. ... Sam Goody went on to become a big retail record discount chain on East Coast. Roburt Do you, or anyone else, know what Jalen Amusements would have done with the used records that they are advertising for. Did they re-sell them to the public or were they wanted for the vinyl or shellac to re-use. I thought ex jukebox records were just about unplayable. Also I never came across loads of used 45s in warehouses so where did they go? House of Sounds in Philadelphia was also advertising for used records in the late 60s. Rick
April 4, 201213 yr Author Sorry, I can't tell you what happened back in the 60's to the 'used' records that commercial companies were buying in when people / organisations responded to their adverts. In the 70's just about all such records would have been recycled to make 'new' records. But what they did with such records back in the 60's I have no idea. I guess someone involved in the record biz back then could answer your question (do we have such people on here ?) or maybe the likes of RobbK can answer this. You are right to say that (for instance) over-played ex jukebox 45's didn't end up in record warehouses back then, there was more than enough 'unsold stock' copies sloshing around at a few cents per copy for them to bother with knackered copies. Edited April 4, 201213 yr by Roburt
April 5, 201213 yr Author ............ Back to info lifted from Billboard ...... ... this time about Marc Gordon, Willie Hutch & friends ..... Good to know that Marc discovered Grenda Holloway !!! Edited April 5, 201213 yr by Roburt
April 5, 201213 yr Author RobbK could almost certainly add loads of fascinating facts about Marc Gordon & his LA based activities in the 1960's ... ... but he would have to check out this thread first to see we've touched on the topic of Marc, Willie Hutch, Mary Love, Rose Brooks, the Versatiles AND Grenda Holloway. BTW, anyone fill me in on which tracks J B Bingham & Ron Benton cut for Marc / Soul City / Modern ???
April 6, 201213 yr RobbK could almost certainly add loads of fascinating facts about Marc Gordon & his LA based activities in the 1960's ... ... but he would have to check out this thread first to see we've touched on the topic of Marc, Willie Hutch, Mary Love, Rose Brooks, the Versatiles AND Grenda Holloway. BTW, anyone fill me in on which tracks J B Bingham & Ron Benton cut for Marc / Soul City / Modern ??? I don't have time to write a treatise on L.A.'s Jobete Music Office 1963-66 and Hal Davis & Crew's "Off-Motown" production, but, here's an excerpt from a thread at Soulful Detroit Forum: "Hal Davis didn't have enough of his own money to pay for recording sessions AND pressing up and distribution, so he got financiers to pay for those functions, whenever he couldn't "place" his productions (lease masters) to existing record companies, such as Bob Keane's Del-Fi and Donna Records, The Bihari Brothers' Modern/Kent Records, Joker Records, Magnum Records, and even Chicago's VJ, Tollie and Constellation Records, and tiny Doc records in Pennsylvania. Davis had records out on GSP (a Gary Paxton label), Alden Records, Wizard Records, Taste Records, Dee Gee Records, Tamara Records, and perhaps Brenda's cuts on Catch Records (not sure he was involved), because he got a financier. Those labels, therefore, were "owned" by the financier, and run by Davis (sometimes together with Marc Gordon, and Frank Wilson or Chester and Jimmy Pipkin). Hal Davis and his crew (listed above) and also including Willie Hutch (Hutchison), H.B. Barnum, Vince Love, William Powell, Ed Cobb, Charles Wright, John Marascalco, Al Capps, Herman Griffith, and Kent and Toni Harris, wrote songs for Jobete Music from 1963-1966 (long before Motown moved to L.A. But Motown also did some recording in L.A. during that period. Davis, Gordon and Wilson used some of their own signed singers and groups, to demo songs for Motown's Detroit artists, and also got some of their artists placed on Motown's labels. Brenda and Patrice Holloway, (Tamla and VIP), The Vows (VIP), Oma Heard (VIP), Joanne & Triangles, (VIP), Danny Day (Hal Davis-VIP), The Lewis Sisters (VIP), Little Lisa (VIP), The Messengers (Soul), all got Motown releases. The Versatiles recorded several cuts, but never got a release. Motown had hired an already existing production group. Hal Davis and Marc Gordon and The Pipkin Brothers had been working together and even had their own music publishing company (Finesse Music). Frank Wilson and the others joined them when Davis was signed to Jobete Music. They had an affiliation with single artists and groups they recorded and used them as demo singers and background singers. Those other artists that are not listed above (because they didn't get a Motown release during the operation of the L.A. Jobete Music Office) include: Gloria Jones, Mary Love, Sandy Wynns (Edna Wright), Barbara Wilson (Frank's wife), Pat Hunt (Brenda and Patrice's cousin), Jean(ne) King, Connie Clark, Pamela Baitey, Marie Gregory, Sonny Holliday (Hal Davis), Sonny Daye and Eddie Wilson (Frank Wilson), Willie Hutch, Paris, Ollie Jackson, Fury Vanta, Ricardo King, Charles Wright, The Autographs, The Marvellos, The Magnificents, The Soul-Teasers, The Watesians (with Brenda, and Patrice), The Dimples, and The Cinderellas. Songs that were rejected by Jobete Music, were published by Finesse Music. Songs that were not recorded and released by Motown within 6 months of their sale, had first rights to recording and release revert to their original writer/producer. In such cases, Davis, Gordon, Wilson, or whoever it was, would then have one of his own artists record a final version and lease the masters to an existing record company, as in the case of many Gordon/Wilson songs recorded by Mary Love for Modern Records, or several Davis/Pipkin songs being recorded by The Autographs for Joker Records, or The Vows recording a Finesse song for Tamara Records. Gordon and Wilson even produced a recording of one of their songs for The Ikettes on Modern records "I'm So Thankful", which WAS recorded by Motown artists, but never released. If they couldn't lease the masters to an existing company, they'd find a financier, and put it out on a new label, as H.B. Barnum/Gordon and Wilson did with "My Heart is Calling You" by The Magnificents out on Dee Gee Records, as (I believe) the Four Tops' Motown cut was released after the rights reverted. Window Shopping On Girls' Avenue by The Vala-Quons went to Ray Charles' Tangerine Records." This, of course doesn't go into what happened after Marc Gordon left for Soul City. I know that Motown writer, Jimmy Webb also wrote for them. But, likely that he didn't have an exclusive writing contract with Motown.
April 6, 201213 yr Author Here's a few US city POP charts published in Billboard on 4th September 1965 .........
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No, thats not short for blackboard ... BUT ... Billboard.
As the Jobettes thread has turned all 'techie' thought I'd jump over here ............