One element of the soul scene that has always baffled me is the fact that the price of tunes are rapidly reaching sky high prices whilst the poor bugger that sang it probably works as a janitor and lives off slurpies in some craphole in Detroit etc .. just an observation which identifies how ludicrous this scene is sometimes

Also a friend of mine (a sociology student) remarked once that he felt the soul scene showed signs of being unknowingly rascist - he based this one the fact that white folks were making money and prospering from black workers (singers, producers etc) even though the intention was to glorify these artists etc - But I think he ws just trying to wind me up with this one - What do you think ??

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One element of the soul scene that has always baffled me  is the fact that the price of tunes are rapidly reaching sky high prices whilst the poor bugger that sang it probably works as a janitor and lives off slurpies in some craphole in Detroit etc ..  just an observation which identifies how ludicrous  this scene is sometimes

Also a friend of mine (a sociology student) remarked once that he felt the soul scene showed signs of being unknowingly rascist - he based this one the fact that white folks were making money and prospering from black workers (singers, producers etc) even though the intention was to glorify these artists etc  - But I think he ws just trying to wind me up with this one  - What do you think ??

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I think you are trying to wind us up !

I think you are trying to wind us up !

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No mate, I don't agree with the notion in the slightest just wondred what all you other peeps felt as to it has any basis ?? Just a question not a wind up

One element of the soul scene that has always baffled me  is the fact that the price of tunes are rapidly reaching sky high prices whilst the poor bugger that sang it probably works as a janitor and lives off slurpies in some craphole in Detroit etc ..  just an observation which identifies how ludicrous  this scene is sometimes

Also a friend of mine (a sociology student) remarked once that he felt the soul scene showed signs of being unknowingly rascist - he based this one the fact that white folks were making money and prospering from black workers (singers, producers etc) even though the intention was to glorify these artists etc  - But I think he ws just trying to wind me up with this one  - What do you think ??

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Lots of paintings and other works of art don't make big bucks until after the artists' death. I think it's just part of the nature of collecting that some things take a while to become popular / desirable.

As for the racist element - I sell quite a bit of 60s Garage and Beat music to a couple of Japanese collectors.

Never really thought of them as racist

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Lots of paintings and other works of art don't make big bucks until after the artists' death. I think it's just part of the nature of collecting that some things take a while to become popular / desirable.

As for the racist element - I sell quite a bit of 60s Garage and Beat music to a couple of Japanese collectors.

Never really thought of them as racist

Godz

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One element of the soul scene that has always baffled me  is the fact that the price of tunes are rapidly reaching sky high prices whilst the poor bugger that sang it probably works as a janitor and lives off slurpies in some craphole in Detroit etc ..  just an observation which identifies how ludicrous  this scene is sometimes

Also a friend of mine (a sociology student) remarked once that he felt the soul scene showed signs of being unknowingly rascist - he based this one the fact that white folks were making money and prospering from black workers (singers, producers etc) even though the intention was to glorify these artists etc  - But I think he ws just trying to wind me up with this one  - What do you think ??

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Rich my boy.... prices "increasing" has always been with us.... nowt new.... as for the "poor buggar" that sang it working in a crappy job now.... well that's a sad fact in a lot of cases.... we won't change it....

As for your mate.... well.... "talking bollox" comes to mind.... winding you up, probably....

Now go and lay down Rich and take a couple of paracetamols.... you'll feel better

it is a shame that the artists don't always get what they deserve but resale (as distinct from re-creating) stuff can often work that way (houses, paintings, classic cars etc can all go up in value and the originators don't start complaining)

not our fault if the black kids if 1960s America didn't realise how great the music that was being produced round the corner was

this 'unknowingly racist' bollocks is frightening. it's like 1984.

if i was you joe i'd be unknowingly violent and give the silly bastard a good twatting to give him something else to think about!

One element of the soul scene that has always baffled me  is the fact that the price of tunes are rapidly reaching sky high prices whilst the poor bugger that sang it probably works as a janitor and lives off slurpies in some craphole in Detroit etc ..  just an observation which identifies how ludicrous  this scene is sometimes

Also a friend of mine (a sociology student) remarked once that he felt the soul scene showed signs of being unknowingly rascist - he based this one the fact that white folks were making money and prospering from black workers (singers, producers etc) even though the intention was to glorify these artists etc  - But I think he ws just trying to wind me up with this one  - What do you think ??

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Sounds like a fair summary of the music business per se.

How many channel 4 documentary's are there about artists who's royalties dont seem to be much more than a copy of Ty Karim on Romark, despite selling millions of albums etc.

I dont think race comes into it. Just look at 'Standing in the shadows of Motown'. A certain black fella was sitting very pretty, earning an unbelievable living, while the guys actually producing the music were having to moonlight, just to get by.

Labels like Kent are doing a fantastic job redressing the balance, if only slightly. And KR's events in the states gives the artists a little taste of the respect they have achieved this side of the Atlantic.

It is probably a fraction of the financial aspects these artists deserve, but in the case of Northern Soul, it was often because these guys were in an oversubscribed market, recording for labels that had no financial clout, to compete against labels like Motown, Atlantic, Stax etc.

If it wasnt for the soul fans, and Djs, and dancers and chinstrokers over here, the records would have been long forgotten.

I know its not right, but the look on Lorraine Chandler's face when she walked on the stage at Stafford, was worth a million pounds. Maybe she deserved to have a slice of that million pounds, but then she would probably not have had that feeling that night. And if she was as sucessful as say Dionne Warwick, she wouldnt have the love and respect that she has from this little scene.

 

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"Lots of paintings and other works of art don't make big bucks until after the artists' death. I think it's just part of the nature of collecting that some things take a while to become popular / desirable"

exactly, wasn't disparaging it just found it to be another one of our scenes strange quirky twists of fate

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if i was you joe i'd be unknowingly violent and give the silly bastard a good twatting to give him something else to think about!

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Godz

.... as for the "poor buggar" that sang it working in a crappy job now.... well that's a sad fact in a lot of cases.... we won't change it....

IM IN A CRAPPY JOB AND I HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE PRICEY TUNES

ANYONES FEEL SORRY FOR ME?

Rich my boy.... prices "increasing" has always been with us.... nowt new.... as for the "poor buggar" that sang it working in a crappy job now.... well that's a sad fact in a lot of cases.... we won't change it....

As for your mate.... well.... "talking bollox" comes to mind.... winding you up, probably....

Now go and lay down Rich and take a couple of paracetamols.... you'll feel better  

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"Now go and lay down Rich and take a couple of paracetamols.... you'll feel better"

Okay Doc will you bring me a hot water bottle and fluff my pillow

"Now go and lay down Rich and take a couple of paracetamols.... you'll feel better"

Okay Doc will you bring me a hot water bottle and fluff my pillow   

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.... err.... ....

I feel your pain Like Mikey said, the music we listen to (in most cases) is from the perennial under achievers. They have perhaps never known success. I know Joe's point was big bucks Ebay scenarios these days, but thems the breaks - can't get royalties from Ebay.

I feel your pain    Like Mikey said, the music we listen to (in most cases) is from the perennial under achievers.  They have perhaps never known success.  I know Joe's point was big bucks Ebay scenarios these days, but thems the breaks - can't get royalties from Ebay. 

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Yeah correct Ian, it wasn't intended to point fingers or anyting like that , I'm guilty of it myself ( my despairing bank manager will testify to this ) it was a pure observation - the other queston was just to reinforce to me that the mug was talking out of his anus - And I think you guys proved this to be the case

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it is a shame that the artists don't always get what they deserve but resale (as distinct from re-creating) stuff can often work that way (houses, paintings, classic cars etc can all go up in value and the originators don't start complaining)

not our fault if the black kids if 1960s America didn't realise how great the music that was being produced round the corner was

this 'unknowingly racist' bollocks is frightening. it's like 1984.

if i was you joe i'd be unknowingly violent and give the silly bastard a good twatting to give him something else to think about!

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Dan,

I got held up while posting, work and I'm glad I did, because you have given the definitive answer IMO

Steve

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You know you want to

No mate, I don't agree with the notion in the slightest just wondred what all you other peeps felt as to it has any basis ?? Just a question not a wind up 

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Are you at Sheridans Sunday ?

Steve

  Are you at Sheridans Sunday ?

Steve

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Yeah should be , going to Greatstone beforehand so dont know what time arriving, so much on this weekend it's scary

I'll stand you a pint mate