Ady Croasdell

Exactly, when I first heard Lorraine's original vocal to this track, i called it the punk version. And of course i was one of the few Northern dancers to include the pogo in my floor work!

To the rescue as ever; thanks Paul. I have faith in you!

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Can anyone supply me with a good scan please 350 dpi minimum they reckon. Ta Ady

It's odd you can't always guess what would be a good instrumental from a vocal. Some I was sure would be belters have seemed very empty and others I wasn't a big fan of come out a lot better. Not many make top quality instrumentals because the whole thing was set up for a vocal performance and the dynamics are different. Indeed the Dynamics 'I Need Your Love' doesn't particularly grab me as an inst. I prefer the vocal 98% of the time.

It's actually the early track of the first vocal Lorraine did for Pied Piper and is taken at a faster pace than the eventual RCA release so we'll have paramedics on hand at the 100 Club for this one.

We will Pete, it's just in a raw binaural tape form at the moment.

If you wanna hear what this beauty sounds like in all its instrumental glory, go to https://www.6ts.info/music-audio.html

You're barred! At one period of my life I was likened to Marty from the New Seekers and not long after Billy Beaumont, handsome England rugby captain.

Superb, and thankfully not very Trad.

Bob Sinclair is a good fun time record and deserves to be big for a month but I'm guessing will pale with plays. It has a great rhythm, though it doesn't appear to have any soul content but won't be the first played on the scene in that respect. I'd love to hear Calvin Harris 'Weekend' played out and would guarantee to dance to it but I wouldn't expect it at a Northern night (I'd also guarantee to dance to the Arctic Monkeys' song about Rotherham if you wanna try me out) . It's just silli if Bob Sinclair is in any list of Northern sounds. Ricardo Ray 'Nitty Gritty' is brilliant and was a play in 1969/70. 'Soul Drummers' wasn't a 100 Club sound though I was playing about 5 different Latin soul sounds at the time.

Excellent and you'll be relieved that I won't be taking your erstwhile Goldmine colleague's litiginous approach to label reproduction, scan away.

As this ones lingering, here's my two pen'orth. The first one was fun to read in places, we're all list lovers and enjoy arguing about what is in and not in. But as Kev has a good knowledge of some of the acts and producers, why couldn't the write-up of the singles be more informative for fans who would love to know more about the history of the disc's making. Instead we got inane quotes from unknown punters which added zero to the records origins or place on the Northern scene. An opportunity missed. 40 years on the scene! Not including leave of absence squire. Which Bob Sinclair? There seem to be a lot of his on You Tube; i need to stay in more.

Hi Pete, Happy birthday mate. I was drinking shots and God knows what for Charlotte's engagement party (she sends her love too) so you'll be pleased to know I feel like I've been lobotomised today. We think of you often and Winston misses you too. We're looking forward to your return whenever the hell it is, we're keeping the club warm for you. Ady x

That's interesting I didn't know Alex P was played as a new release. What about stuff like Frankie. And The Classicals, Sandy Wynns or even Bobby Hebb, or were they discovered once the Old Soul scene had begun its search for unknown dancers. I'm tring to make a clear distinction between the mod type all nighters and the ones where only older soul records with a good non-funky dance beat were played. I think a lot of the clubs mentioned above were the former. The Nite Owl and Mojo certainly were. What about the Dungeon and Britt, were they Old Soul or mod? I'm pretty sure the Blue Orchid was OS and I think Lord Jims was and the one in W. Yorks they reckoned the Squad set up just to bust people (or was that Lord Jims?)

Spinning off from the suedehead thread. I think the Old Soul scene that existed before the term Northern Soul was coined was exactly that scene, it was not a pre-cursor, it just happened that it didn't have the name the scene is known for. Looking at it nationally apart from the Wheel and the Northants/Beds scene which was running parallel with it, what other areas had established clubs and crowds that would play old mid 60s soul sounds? I'm sure there were clubs around Yorks and Lancs and there was the Blue Orchid in Derby, but I nebver heard of a scene in Leicester despite Jeff King's market stall and Batman, I think those lads hung out at the Wheel. Were there any nighters around Stoke pre-Torch or in Nottingham? Any in the West Midlands? The Saints & Sinners one was overwhelmingly full of the Northants crowd so that really can't be included as part of the Birmingham scene. I'm guessing that several towns would have a few soulies but that there were hardly any nighters and if you put one on anywhere in the country people would find their way there. When there wasn't one on one weekend the Northants lot went down to Soho to an all night gay cafe called the Ledouce(?) for the want of somewhere to take gear and listen to the sounds.

Yeah tonic trousers cut a bit short, sheepskins, crombies (Randy Cozens bought a £100 Crombie in 1966 which I eventually bought off him), red or white socks (I hitched a lift in the back of a greaser van to the California Ballroom and they were telling me how they kicked skinheads in while I was trying to pull my tonics down over my socks; luckily I had the long hair and they were very dumb), DMs or brogues.

My recollection differs from yours Kegsy in that the mods became skins and then later suedeheads. I'm pretty sure skinheads came before suedeheads though maybe the first skinheads were slightly hairier than the eventual accepted look. I'm tieing myself in knots here. How about this for a theory for kids on the Old Soul scene; the mods shaved their heads as a new style but when it got adopted by non-mod type scrappers they grew it out to suedeheads and concentrated on the nighter scene while the ones who would be full on skinheads got into reggae and a different world? Fell free to criticise, I'm just postulating. Ady

As I remember it I was in Leicester city centre about 1968 and I saw a bunch of mods who I knew including my future best mate and they had all had their hair cut so short they were skinheads. I didn't like the look, my hair was down my back, to be a bit different. I hadn't even heard the word skinhead mentioned until just after that and then I thought it was just a derogatory term coiuned by the press to poke fun at this rather ugly trend (some kids didn't realise what ridiculous shaped heads they had until it was too late); it was a great aggressive punk type statement though and really shocked the older generation. I thought the lads were still totally mod and that was the latest mod style. It was DMs at the time and when they started growing their hair again and wearing the bigger rounded collars on the shirts and going back to different style shoes, I considered that the next development. Some of those would have stuck with the skin look and maybe adapted it (severely bleached jeans perhaps), then I would have called them skins, but the first lot were really mods on a new style. Fantastic photos of our old crowd, I only recognise the guy on the right of the first picture who was from Desborough or Rothwell. The photo on the cover of Right Back Where We Started From is the Harborough lot at the Harborough all nighter. We were all around at the same time as the Wheel lot so I'd have thought that a similar fashion trend would have occurred there as a lot of our crowd went north to nighters and vice verca (Swish and Judy being cases in point). The scene was so small that anyone who knew what it was was a potential best friend.

At a Leicester Arsenal game in the 70s we got surrounded by a big gang of hoolies and this thug was about to hit my mate who was a hippy and he just put his arms up and said "I don't want no trouble man" at which the geezer turned round and smacked one of my other mates who nobody liked much anyway.

Rather off topic, as a punk I got attacked by a gang of Teds and skins going to Petticoal Lane market on a Sunday morning in 1977. It still qualifies as my earliest time of day for a scrap.

True but I think it's more down to family commitments and attitude than age. Look at our Geoff who had a 65th last year and has discovered a scene which has followed on from his love of soul in the original mod days. He treks all over the place and dances away when his legs aren't struggling and loves the new discoveries to boot!

Any chance of a bigger scan of the label and back cover please? Ady

Unfortunately whoever engineered the Temple sessions, with the exception of the Frenchie & The Chessmen single didn't have a clue. The master tapes are about as bad as the 45s which ain't great. Both sides of Harry Reid are OK for very early soul but I doubt if any have been played out. Great for us Dave Hamilton collectors though £100 sounds about right. Ady