Quinvy

Another example of rarity over quality in my humble opinion, if it was twenty quid no one would want it.

No they weren't, they were made for Dj'ing, and they are still the best deck for that purpose. Yes there are better decks for HiFidelity, but that hardly matters with 1960's 45's.

I wonder how these program's come about. Does some TV executive decide to make a program about Northern Soul and send an email to a producer and say "get on with it"? Then I imagine said producer Googles Northern Soul to find an advisor. Mmmm, this guy Russ Winstanley seems to be the go to guy. The rest is obvious.

Once it's in your blood it's very difficult to stop. I know a lot of people who have sold up and bought back again, and again, and again.

I wasn't around in the 80's and 90's but I would love to see a documentary on it. After hearing the tunes that were played in that period, I really wish I had been there. I feel as though I missed out big time.

This is a phenomenon that I have noticed as well. I think it must be a coincidence though? Just noticed there's a Combinations on Kimtone gone up. I recently got outbid on one on eBay.

One of the limiting factors of making these programs must be the lack of film available from back then. How many times can you watch the same clips from This England before you lose interest?

You need to message him on here Tony.

Isn't it a Carolinas record?

I f***ing love this record. Don't know who discovered it, but I first heard Butch play it at the first Lifeline allnighter at Sheridens. Who played it first/discovered it?

The only thing I would say to you Krissii is this. It's very easy to dismiss some of the records that were played back in the day. Footsee, The Snake etc. but these were huge records at the time, and believe me, the people who say they never liked them are lying through their teeth. We were very young, and the music and our tastes have changed over the years, but they were different times. All those tunes, with the exception of the truly awful Wigans Ovation would ram any dancefloor. Appart from that I agree with all you say.

The issue is harder and more valuable Julian.

For some reason as soon as it finished I felt cheated. Maybe it was the Groundhog Day effect.

That's exactly my point. If you are listening to classical music on LP format, then I can totally understand the need to get the best available HiFidelity turntable. For playing and recording 60's 45's though, the Technics matched with a Shure White Label cart is king.

You guys who like the belt driven turntables. How do you check that the deck is spinning at the correct RPM? I have recorded hundreds of rare records using a little Bush deck, the sound quality is really good for what it is, but unfortunately I have realised that the turntable was running too fast. Probably around +1. With a Technics 1200 series you can't go wrong. The strobe will always show the true speed. However I will never be able to get some of those records again. OK so most people wouldn't notice the difference, but I can, and I wouldn't use a belt drive deck again unless it had a strobe.

It was a throwaway comment to try and explain the price on the auction. The records that appear to fetch the really high prices tend to be dance floor fillers. It wasn't a slur on the tune, though I doubt it's in anyones top 500. I would never buy it because it does nothing for me personally, but the label is gorgeous, and it's rare.

Rarity.

Chuck Flamingo, not exactly dance floor friendly. That's what drives the price after all.

I'm afraid I agree with Tony. Barrel bottom, definitely scraped. Just saying like.

I think anyone who like you Pete who has never had a break from records will hate them. After all the spent years collating the knowledge, but you could say the same about any collectables. Look at all the antique dealers/experts around now. The books/guides and the internet have made the real experts almost redundant. Modern technology helps everyone. Knowledge is power. The thing is though, the guides were vilified for being over priced. What I'm saying is that now the prices therein are way bellow what can be actually be achieved.

That's definitely a dealers perspective Pete. After having twenty years away from vinyl it was a nightmare for someone like me to start again,bearing in mind that I was new to the internet as well. All I had for reference was Kev Roberts top 500, which with black and white pictures meant I was accidentally buying boots and reissues. When I purchased Manship's bootleg guide it revolutionised my buying. The guides have helped people like me who didn't have the knowledge. I'm not bigging up the price guides, I was more than happy with the boot guide. But it would be impossible to bring that to use today, there are so many people making boots / reissues and lookalike carvers it's a nightmare.

Yes but that's my point Rob. Some rarities are going for way more than his book prices.

It's even worse with the big rarities, for example, The Four Voices original. Manship guide price is £1250 yet it has sold recently for £1400 and £1500. And I don't mean it's sat around at those prices. Both could have sold many times over. And I was sat there thinking, that will never sell for that price.

Having recently started buying and selling vinyl again, I thought I'd better buy a price guide to help me with current prices. I know they have always only been a guide, but at one time most rarities seemed to sell for roughly what was in Manship's book. Since I bought the latest of his guides however, every record I have bought or sold, has born very little resemblance to the guide price. And I don't mean just by a couple of quid either way but hundreds of pounds on the big lads. I don't know how or why it's happened, but the guide is a total waste of ink and paper in todays market place. Your thoughts on the subject?

That's something I do on a regular basis. I am just too nice me.