Everything posted by Roburt
- News: Just Another Soul Group -- Popular Five
- News: Just Another Soul Group -- Popular Five
- News: Just Another Soul Group -- Popular Five
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Just Another Soul Group -- Popular Five
The Popular Five were almost popular for a brief period in the late 60's. However, they soon faded from sight leaving the group's lead singer to cut a solo outing that escaped in August 1973. Even though none of their 45's charted, they did also gain release outside the US and so they form a legacy of sorts for this short lived soul group. The Popular Five grew out of classic doo wop group the Chords. The Chords were responsible for one of the most iconic doo wop cuts of all time; "Sh-boom" but even this was a fluke as the track was actually released as the B side of that single. DJ's flipped the record though & in 1954. DJ's flipped the record though & in 1954 it was a big hit (No.2 R&B, No.5 pop). They secured some big live gigs and played the Apollo a couple of times. After that, recording wise, the group drifted a bit. More singles escaped but none really did that well, this being compounded by the fact that they had to change their name due to an earlier DC group having used it first. So they became the Sh-booms (corny or what) and limped on. Members drifted away and their recording career dried up around 1961. Little is known about what the guys did through the 60's but most likely they took day jobs. But in 1967 their old leader, Jimmy Keys, gave it another try by forming soul group the Popular Five. Along with himself & ex Chord member Arthur Dicks, Walter Wilson was taken on as the 5 strong outfit's lead singer. Their 1st 45 as the Popular Five escaped on NY gospel label, Rae Cox in 67. This 45 again featured their old hit "Sh-boom" which was coupled with "Tomorrow Night" was produced by Larry Keys. Larry had started out as an organ player with orchestras, progressed to studio engineering & producing and in the 70's / 80's became a major old recording's remixer for CBS reissue projects. The group's 45 must have raised their profile as they were selected as one of the finalists in a big beer commercial contest. Schaefer Beer's (of New York & Baltimore) ran a Talent Hunt contest annually in the mid to late 60's (Betty LaVette also featured in one of these). Around 10 artists cut a Schaefer's beer ad and these were played on the radio, audiences voting for their favorite one & the successful act getting a prize (& lots of publicity). The publicity the group gained due to the Schaefer contest must have been welcome even though someone had embellished on the group's carrer up to then (claiming they had actually been formed in 1962). Next up came two 45's on Minit, the 1st following on from their contest appearances, Schaefer having staged a festival featuring the acts in Central Park. The group cut an oldie "Little Bitty Pretty One" (no dount a song they performed on live shows) and coupled this with "I'm A Love Maker" which the group members had penned. This was arranged by Artie Butler who mainly seemed to work out of New York & Philly back then. The 45 made little impact when released in September 68 in the US but still managed to gain releases overseas in countries such as the UK & Germany. A 2nd 45 escaped on Minit in March 69 and again featured a song the group had written themselves; "Baby I Got It". This outing had been produced by Dallas Smith, a NY guy who was at the time a staffer at Liberty but would soon form Lionel Records. Minit hired a promotion company to plug this track but again it failed to hit the national charts. Minit lost interest in the group but somehow they managed to hook up with Gene Chandler (most probably Jimmy Keys knew Gen from the old days of touring on the chitlin-circuit). Gene, now signed to Mercury, was given his own label to run by Mercury; Mr. Chand. In 1970, he signed the group to his new label and re-cut their song “Baby I've Got It” in conjunction with a Chicago item “Best Friend – Worst Enemy”. This coupling formed the first single on Mr. Chand but again it did very little when released in summer 1970 . The group faded into obscurity quite soon afterwards and given that some of them were quite old by that time, I guess they just retired from the business. But almost exactly 3 years later, ex lead singer Warren Wilson returned with a solo outing on Capitol. He had penned both of the songs; “I Quit” and “Forget My Name” and both cuts were produced by Capitol Record's guy Jimmy Lenner. The new 45 (Capitol #3696) was tipped to chart in Billboard magazine when it was issued in August 73 but unfortunately it got lost in the shuffle. Capitol had a 2nd go in November that year, when it was put out again (this time as Capitol # 3756). It was a real shame that the disc failed at the time as both sides of the 45 feature decent tracks, “Forget My Name” being an especially good MS track. When the 45 sank without trace, Warren seemed to do likewise. So the group and it's members became just a memory in the music biz, however they had made a impact of sorts during their brief existence. JOHN 'Roburt' SMITH
- News: Just Another Soul Group -- Popular Five
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King Mojo Club 1967
After the club itself had actually shut .... Clyde moved to the UK sometime around October 1967 ( I think) ... anyone know the accurate date ??
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How many love the life I live
My personal fave is the Willie Parker.... a big UK club play (both sides) after it's UK President label release back in Nov 67.
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The Indigos - Tired Of Crying Over You - Date
Billboard's 10 Dec 66 R&B 45's chart ............. ... 8 x 45's on chart for 2nd week including "Let's Fall In Love" by Peaches & Herbs (Date #1523) but no 45 by Indigos. 4 new entries including Drifters "Baby What I Mean" + Sam & Dave, Blobby Bland & Otis R 45's. The info given in Joel Whitburn's book totally false ( I have what appears to be the 1996 edition of the book & the info is in that too).
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The Indigos - Tired Of Crying Over You - Date
Billboard's 3 Dec 66 R&B Chart .......... no such single @ #47 ......... ..... Date #1523 new in @ #50.
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The Indigos - Tired Of Crying Over You - Date
Single's featuring a track titled "Tired of Crying over You" were released in 1953 (Checker) and 1961 (Decca) but neither was by an artist with a name anything like the Indigos. The 1953 release (a 78 ) .........
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The record stores back in the 70s
Bernie Binnick had been involved with records since the early 60's. Back in the 60's, he was a major player @ Swan Records in Philly. That ad above (& the ones that follow) all date between 1971 & 1976 when B.B.'s was a major player in cut-out records. Assorted 45's --$5 or $6 per 100. Motown, soul, R&B, fill ya boots. BB's & House of Sounds were based in the same area & HofS was notorious as the centre of a major record booting operation. LaMont pleaded guity to bootlegging records in 1978.
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Howling wolf no place to go
It was something of a 'standard' for him, so I wonder if the song was still included in his live set in 67 ...........
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The record stores back in the 70s
A great piece of work .... I may (at one time) have been able to write a similar piece on mid to late 60's record shops in Doncaster, Sheffield & Hull .... BUT ... the grey matter has gone dull and I'm sure if I tried such a task today, it would be full of mistakes. .... HOWEVER .... the best places I can recall to get good 2nd hand 45's back then were ...... DONY: shops in the Copley Rd & E Laith Gate areas. HULL: Beverly Rd, Holderness Rd, Princes Ave & Chanterlands Ave areas. SHEFFIELD: Wicker area + in the southern suburbs, Abbeydale Rd. More of course, but I can't recall them anymore.
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Jimmy Hart "Sugar Baby" Blue Rock 4035 - Help Requested
From early to summer 68, Mercury execs held a series of meetings with their regional distributors to get feedback on sales, trends. No doubt, they were told that soul music buyers missed the Blue Rock label. Abe Chayet was one of these execs & he was soon designated Blue Rock Product Manager & the label was reinstated. In Oct 65, Abe (then a Eastern regional director) had been tasked by Mercury with promoting the label's move into pushing a new line of reissued cheap C&W albums from the company (along with Shelby Singleton). Billboard had abandoned their R&B 45's chart in late 63 & these were only reinstated in Feb 65.,Perhaps (slow to react) Mercury Execs had decided soul 45 sales would be dipping & so eventually (months later) shut the Blue Rock label down. Blue Rocks resurrection in June 68 ........
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Jimmy Hart "Sugar Baby" Blue Rock 4035 - Help Requested
Mercury were obviously changing their release policy with regard to Blue Rock 45's in late 1965. I don't have the exact details at present but they seemed to suspend all Blue Rock releases towards the end of 1965 (around #4036/37). When they started to use the label again about 18 months had passed & a whole section of numbers weren't used (perhaps releases had been scheduled for the missing numbers but these tracks then transferred to other Mercury labels). I'd say what you have (Blue Rock #4035 -- planned as a Nov 65 release) will be rare items. I guess this Billboard report explains why the Blue Rock releases were suspended (staff changes) .......
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The record stores back in the 70s
It was common when Brits went into US record shops from the 80's onwards (perhaps even earlier) for the price to go up when you took 45's up to the desk to buy ... "Ohh, you're a Brit, those prices are out of date, I'll have to charge you more". Even if you picked stuff from the cheap racks, you'd be quoted expensive prices in some shops there (they just assumed we knew something about each 45 that they didn't & up'ed the prices).
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Wilber (Alexander Jr) & The Dukes
Definitely played in the UK ... in summer 68 ... on this UK issue ...... (the 1st release on the legendary Action label) ...
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Record Shops During The Torch Days
Sadie was the A side (a new cut -- a cover of a big Curtis Mayfield LP track). The B side was "Who Will Do Your running Now" (MA 942). Promo copies had Sadie on both sides. I believe "Running Now" was an old track, pulled out of the vaults to form the 'throw-away' B side of this 45.
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Record Shops During The Torch Days
B&S was always great for soul 45's (especially it's pick-yer-own soul packs) .... didn't Soul City Record Shop go out of biz in late 69 ?? I used to get their record catalogue sent as I bought from there on a regular basis. Still have 3 old letters from them (Rob Blackmore) with some SC record label flyers all framed up & hung on my record room wall. Best place for me (in TwWh days) was F L Moores in Leighton Buzzard (the old house was best before they moved to the place above the shopping arcade) ....... A couple of mid 70's pictures next .......... of a little shop in Conisboro ......... bumped into Snowy a few times in here back in 1971 to 74 when we were all out buying their latest imports (or Soul Sounds boots). I recall him asking me (in 74) what I was currently chasing & I told him the latest 45 on Mayfield by Marvin Smith (A Side -- "You're Really Something Sadie" ... B side cut escapes me at present). It was too new for them to have in back then.
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The record stores back in the 70s
Another famous US store chain ... this time based in Boston .... .... Skippy White also ran record labels & cut local artists in the studio .... ... lots of the acts he got involved with had impressed him while playing live at the top local soul club -- the Sugar Shack.
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Spectrum Records - New York
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King Mojo Club 1967
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Whinging Bout Weird Wand Which Worry Me
Thanks for that, so both versions do exist. Wand #11293 is a Part 1 & 2 affair .... so are they just cut down versions of the 5min 34sec track on #11283 or a re-recorded version ??
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Tonite I Have Mostly Been ... Speakin To Lou Ragland
The things Lou lets slip in conversation .......... ....... so he's had a tidy up in his computer room & he's come across this TV mag from back in 2003. Apparently the American Idol team were looking to expand their influence back then & had come up with a similar idea ... a song contest ... BUT ... this time for seniors looking for a 2nd chance at fame. Lou was persuaded to enter & went on the show. He was filmed singing "Up On The Roof" & / or "Under the Boardwalk" and scored really well. The contest progressed & Lou ended up winning it (& the $25,000 prize). The producers sent him a form to fill as they would now be marketing him & getting a cut from any gigs he landed. ... BUT ... the form asked HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMERCIAL SINGING CONTRACTS IN THE PAST ..... ..... his own label outings didn't count but his recording with 7 Miles High that Warners released did, so he had to answer YES. This disqualified him from the contest and he lost the prize & the publicity that would have been generated. BET he was cursing that WB 45 even though it turned out to be a very popular track in the UK ....
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Whinging Bout Weird Wand Which Worry Me
You're right, the #11293 version appears to have been put out a year later ( & with the revised artist name). So has anyone got a copy of Wand #11283 or is that another 'missing in action' Wand release ??