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The French Vogue version was released in 75 after the UK Route 45 had escaped here ....

It seems that there is indeed much confusion everywhere over this matter. It COULD well be that the lady in really bad health (BUT NOT PASSED) is RUBY WILSON ... Ruby is a top live performer in Memphis & at US blues festivals. She's also this Ruby Wilson ...

See the other thread ... but just thought it also needed a thread headline of it's own. It seems, that even after a number of seperate reports ... on facebook, youtube, southern soul, etc. ... Ruby has not passed away. No real idea who started the rumour but a Jerry Jones (singer / songwriter from Memphis who knows many southern soul singers) has apologised on Facebook for posting the info up there.

An apology has now been posted on Facebook saying that Ruby hasn't passed & apologising to her .... although that wasn't where I got the info from. The posting on one of the youtube videos of her tracks ("Neither One of Us") by the guy saying Ruby is his aunt still states that she has passed, but he may be too embarassed to go back on there & post a retraction.

My fave underplayed cut is THE SNAKE !!! Never hear it played out, can't think why.

I keep all mine in cardboard (or wooden / plastic) boxes. Keep getting stuff out & leaving it in piles around the record room. Eventually the wife goes mad coz she's got no room to clean up. Then I hurriedly shove em all in the nearest space in any box to hand. It's a great system, only takes me a few days to find a specific 45 when I need a particular one.

I believe the above track (her 1st release) was produced by the same Ray Allen who produced the Imaginations (Fraternity) in Cincinnati. That would make sense as Ruby grew up in Cincinnati. The song writer is Charles E Daniels who's supposed to be the country guy Charlie Daniels !!

Her biggest successes in Europe (& the UK) came at the end of the 70's but it was her 60's stuff that did well in the States ... Another goodie from her ....

site note: the below info was posted in error by a member who hadn't confirmed the actual details apologies on behalf of the site steps are being taken to try and avoid this happening in future It has been reported (by her nephew Christopher Forehand on youtube) that Ruby Winters has passed. A very sad loss .... R.I.P .... ... her rendition of white 'soul man' Eddie Hinton's "Sweetheart Things" is & always will be a great track.

Chalky, I wrote that article many moons ago (around 15 years) & have never gotten around to checkin it for mistakes in the last 10+ years.

Musicor MU1188 is J.B. Troy and every other Musicor number around that time is also accounted for.

The 1st group Lou was in .... the Sahibs ... they provided the backing vocals on his 1st Way Out 45 .... THEN & NOW PICS .... MEMBERS: Lou Ragland, Robert Middlebrooks, Benny Butcher and James Dotson (L to R in original picture of group) .....

Lou with copies of his albums ....

Larry, I have always had a serious interest in the Cleveland music scene .... some years back, I interviewed Edwin Starr. Edwin was VERY bored with being asked questions about his 'Detroit years', so he wasn't usually too happy to do fan interviews. However, I said that my piece was to be about his 'Cleveland years' and so he got his manager to arrange the time for my interview before one of his performances @ the Jazz Cafe in London. He looked back on his Cleveland years with great affection & got a real kick out of talking about those times ... ...... here's part of the article that resulted from our chat ..... Edwin was educated at the city’s East Technical High School. Whilst a student at this school his interest in singing developed. This isn’t surprising as the school seems to have been a spawning ground for male vocal groups at the time. The likes of the LaSalles & Carousels, who were both to go on to secure recording contracts, started up while the members were attending the school. Edwin also became a member of a group formed at the school, his group adopting the name of the FutureTones. The group got its name by adapting the name of an established local group, the Metrotones. The Metrotones had started to come together as early as 1953 and they quickly built up a local following. Initially an all male outfit, the group's manager recruited Kim Tolliver to join them for a short period. The group's popularity led to them securing a recording contract and in 1958 they had enjoyed a release on the local Reserve label, “Please Come Back / Skitter Skatter”. The links between the two groups went further than just similar names though. They came from the same part of the city and the Metrotones leader, Sonny Turner, took Edwin under his wing and helped teach him to sing properly. The Reserve single was to prove to be the high point of the Metrotones career, however Sonny Turner was to go on to become lead singer with the Platters in the 60’s. Another member, Leonard Veal, ended up joining the Hesitations a few years later. The FutureTones consisted of Edwin, John Berry, Parnell Burks, Richard Isom and Roosevelt Harris. The group performed at school shows and set about increasing their profile locally after Edwin graduated from school in 1956. They became ground breakers on the Cleveland scene as they soon became the first local outfit to be fully self contained, having their own instrumentalists as members. The musician members of the group were Russell Evans (guitar), Pinhead (trumpet), Julius Robertson (bass), Brownie (drummer) and Gus Hawkins (sax). The group would enter local talent contests such as those that were held at the Circle Ballroom. At these they would be up against other aspiring groups of young hopefuls trying to get onto the bottom rung of the ladder they hoped would eventually lead to recording success. Group names that Edwin recalls are the Sahibs, the Monarks and the Crescents. The Sahibs had also been formed at a local school, this time though it had been Rawlings Junior High School. At the time one of their members was George Hendricks who was later to become a member of Way Out group, the Exceptional 3. A couple of years later Lou Ragland was to be co-opted into the group by its leader, James Dotson. Edwin acknowledges that the Sahib’s would almost always put on a fantastic performance, which his outfit had to strive to top. The FutureTones would usually perform the Metrotones song “Skitter Skatter” and they must have done it well as they won contests on 8 or 9 separate occasions. Edwin puts this down, in part, to his outfit’s better stage act as they were better dancers than most of their rivals. Edwin particularly remembers one contest though, at this the FutureTones and Sahibs were pitted against each other and their performances couldn’t be separated. As a result of this, the two groups were adjudged joint winners. The leader of the Crescents was William Burrell, who adopted the professional name of Billy Wells. Billy went on to enjoy a long and successful recording career both with the Crescents and later with the Invaders and the Outer Realm. Billy relocated to Florida in the 60’s and here he cut a track, “This Heart, These Hands”, that was to go on to find favour with UK northern soul fans. The Monarks, Edwin recalls, would perform mostly El Dorados and Spaniels type tunes. Other local outfits around at the time were the Fabulous Flames, Annuals and Cashmeres. The Fabulous Flames would enjoy releases in the late 50’s and early 60’s on Rex, Time and Baytone. Their line-up included Harvey Hall who would later go solo and record for Thomas Boddie’s Luau label. The group would alternate between having four and five members and so would always be taking on temporary members. One such member was Richard Fisher (Jessie’s brother) who was to relocate to New York in the sixties and join the Jive Five. The Annuals later secured a recording contract through their manager, Marty Conn, who started his own label, Marrconn Records. When the group broke up, members went on to join the Springers (Jeff Crutchfield) and Hesitations (Arthur Blakey). The Cashmeres, like the Sahib’s, never recorded in their own right, but the outfit’s Kenny Redd made it into the studio’s in the early 70’s when he was with Miystic Insight group True Movement. The FutureTones, along with the other groups mentioned, would do the rounds of all the Cleveland live venues. The Mercury Ballroom, the Lucky Strike, Gleason’s, the Che Breau Club, the Rose Room at the Majestic Hotel, the Cedar Gardens, Playmor and Chatterbox Club. Joan Bias, who recorded for Way Out in 1963, recalls watching a really good FutureTones performance at the Cedar Gardens in the late 50’s. The Majestic Hotel was at that time employing two émigrés from down south, Eddie Kendricks and Paul Williams. Eddie was employed in the kitchen while Paul was a bell hop. The pair were using their positions at the hotel to good effect though. They would rehearse songs after work from around midnight to 3am along with the third member of their outfit, Kell Osbourne. They would also occasionally secure bookings to perform properly at the hotel. However the pair soon decided that Cleveland didn’t offer them the musical opportunities they were seeking and so they moved on to Detroit. Eventually the FutureTones got to appear on a local TV show, the 'Gene Carroll Talent Show' and not long afterwards they went professional. The first engagement they secured after this was at the Chatterbox Club (which was located on Woodland near 55th Street) as support act to Billie Holliday. Edwin was totally in awe of Billie and although he got the opportunity to visit her dressing room to speak with her he doesn’t think that his attempts at conversation would have been too coherent. Further successful engagements followed and in 1959 the group secured a recording contract with Tress Records. A single, “ I Know / Rolling On” was released and made a few waves locally. With a promising future in prospect for the group things appeared to be on the up for its members' but fate was to take a hand. In 1960 Edwin was drafted into the Army. Here his obvious talent as a singer was soon recognised and he got to perform for other servicemen at bases across the USA and Germany. Upon his discharge in 1962 he returned to Cleveland and attempted to pick up the reigns with the group again. In his absence, one of his old friends Demon (William Isom) had joined the group but they hadn’t been able to progress their career. With Edwin back in the fold they continued to perform locally but they had lost the impetus they had possessed a few years earlier. In 1963 Bill Doggett and his group swung through Cleveland and at the time Doggett was on the lookout for a new vocalist. Edwin caught his eye and so was offered the position. He accepted, quit the FutureTones and left town to tour with his new outfit. Bill Doggett had a great influence on Edwin, especially with regard to his professional attitude to the business. He didn’t drink, always expected good discipline and insisted that those associated with him were accessible to the people they came in contact with. After a couple of years on the road with Doggett, Edwin began to develop his song writing skills and inspired by a James Bond movie he wrote ‘Agent OO Soul’ ............ ........... . . . . . Does any of that fetch back memories for you ?? Who were the local singers / groups that you grew up admiring & listening to ?? I know some Cleveland folk (Lou Ragland, Bobby Wade, Sonny Turner, John Wilson, Cleveland Robinson, etc) plus others that started out in the music biz from Cleveland included Johnny Moore (Hornets & then the Drifters), Beloyd (Taylor), (Dennis) Cash, Laura Greene, Fabulous Ray, Cynthia Woodard, Larry Hancock, Dunn Pearson, Sammy Jones, Bill Spoon (William Bell), the guys out of the Dazz Band ... AND MORE ...... CHEERS John

Larry, Ohio always had a thriving soul music (recording & live gigs) scene. Did you ever go back there and get involved with any local guys in the music biz ??

I know we know him best here for his few recordings but it was his radio work that paid the bills for many years. It's a great pity he has gone without detailing his varied career ... the period that he worked for WEBB (& WWIN) was quite turbulent ... that time when R&B (black) radio started to move into black ownership, when indie label product was dropped as the majors took over the airways & when US radio started to fall into the doldrums as TV & other forms of entertainment gained a firm hold. Curtis was there when James Brown bought WEBB and instigated changes there. He later had a management roll at WWIN and must have had many challenges to face. A bit of background info .... https://tenwatts.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/james-brown-is-jb-in-wjbe.html

A track from them that only seems to be on a 45 from Belgium ....

A mid 60's UK mod / soul club play ... the B side of "Searching For My Baby" ....

The UK Shout CD it's on ....

Curtis's old radio stn (well the radio stn he DJ'ed on) ....

He died in 1998 .........

Willie Henderson has reported on Facebook that Leo Graham (songwriter / arranger / producer) has passed. Leo is best known for his work with the likes of Tyrone Davis, Jackie Wilson, the Manhattans, Chuck Ray, Leon Bryant, Walter Jackson, Sidney Joe Qualls, etc.). In the 70's he was signed to a record deal by Curtom (he sang backing vocals on quite a few projects for the likes of Tyrone Davis & more). It seems he cut some demos at Curtom but the tracks were never taken any further.

He ran a niteclub up in the Catskills for many years. He also had his own orchestra (resident @ his club) & they were used on some recordings (Rene Bailey on B.B.D.) + he produced stuff that was released on his own label (Peg Leg Bates Records).

Robert Knight performed "Love on a Mountain Top" on Top of the Pops -- January 3rd 1974 .........

Lorraine, did you do many promotional shows for "What Can I Do" ???