Modernsoulsucks

To be honest I've not heard the two on Mega but with you describing them as "frantic" I can't imagine them being played in past 20 years. Would you say those two are very similar to "Party time man" and "Integrity" cos that's the Beach sound. Any variation is a no-no. I remember getting my DJ mate to play "Too late" Mandrill and that died a death. Im sure Oxford Nights wasn't a Beach 45 cos it's the wrong beat. Besides by middle of the 80's the 60's sound was dying out in the clubs. I've been to quite a few and all I heard was 70's and 50's blues/jump R&B. It was rather strange cos the first club I wandered into in '79 played a lot of 60's and by ' 88 I don't recall any really. "Wish you were here" by Billy Eckstine on Motown was one of the few and we'd class that as MOR. I don't actually think there's a beach vinyl collecting scene anymore if Ebay is anything to go by. Back in late 90's CDs were already taking over and DJs were getting rid of their 45s. As Stuart said they didn't seem very passionate about the music and were just going thru the motions. What I find a bit worrying is that I've been to a couple of do's around the NW where all I've heard is 70's and our R&B [not the same as what's played over there] with very few 60's 45s. There were some fantastic 45s from the Carolinas in the 60's and 70's and some guys who collected them like Lew Stanley but I think if you asked Lew he'd probably say he wouldn't be seen dead in a Beach club. ROD

Are you two not mixing up what is Beach music and 45s that just happen to have been recorded and released in the Carolinas. ROD

I tried a couple of these before but you never know. MUST be in MINTISH condition 4 Tops Baby I need your loving Motown US Not a blurry boot or whatever by Raynoma Temptations The way you do the things you do GORDY US Orig label design Darlings Two time loser KAY-KO Ray Barretto El Watusi COLUMBIA UK Topics Hey girl where are... CHADWICK Anybody help or point me in the right direction. Thanks ROD

My pleasure, Slim. You scratch my back and I'll......er... um.... reel out some not very interesting facts but you gotta be impressed with that deal. ROD

Yeah, I know that!! That's what last couple of posts were about. Why would I be bothered? I collect Northern and Motown not 70's pop-soul.There were a whole slew of Drifters soundalikes out at that time like the Majors MAGNET,True Expression EMI. No doubt to try and emulate the success of the Drifters in the UK Pop Charts with their Bell 45s, and they weren't Northern then and definitely not now. Apart from "You're more than..." Drifters didn't get hits with the later Arista or Epic stuff. Those two on Epic were hard to pick up and "Closely..." and "Looks like Im the clown again" on the plain blue Arista label were equally obscure. Hard to remember now what "Beach" 45s I traded over there cos not my cup of tea but I do remember getting Willie Tee NOLA, Reggie Sadler PANTHER and Arthur Willis [sold it to Butch as unknown] for 20 odd different Drifters 45s. Still got the Willie Tee but should have kept the other two with hindsight. Ta for pointing my mistake out again. I won't do it again. ROD

I meant to write "Im not that kinda guy" and not "Closely..." but they're not exactly high on my list of 45s worth remembering. Did get a lot of good Northern 45s tho in trade over there for those titles and others. Does seem that some people are kinda plundering the 70's Beach sound and passing it off as Northern ROD

Hello "Lucy in the sky with diamonds", what have I not read fully? I am trying to read this site,scan Ebay, and finish the crossword at the same time,altho now hooked on the Soduko as well but that's pretty easy. Not selling Martineques but mine is purple not orange. My mate in LA's is gold which was first copy I ever saw back in 1980's I can't tell from Pottsy's post whether he has the 45 or not and you know how helpful and affable I am!!!! ROD

Pottsy, do u want details of Martineques or do u have 45. I have it if u need info. As far as I know they are the Detroit group and some of the members went on to become Royal Jokers of Wingate fame. Have a look at that Soulful Detroit forum for info https://www.soulfuldetroit.com/forum/

I think that was a radio docu as I remember Tim's explanation for"divs" that opened the segment as previously being on Radio 2. Maybe that Stuart Marconie who piddles about on the fringes of the scene was the presenter for that. I didn't think that Laurie Taylor had a clue really. He began by saying that he'd "missed" the NS phenomena when even some minimal research would have shown that it's still going strong. The Media have a hard time understanding anything that they haven't packaged to sell. ROD

WOW. Thanks. I'll clear my diary. ROD

I listened. Bit of a mish-mash as it was difficult to tell from the interview what salient points the presenter and Andy Wilson were trying to make and Stuart did kinda derail any notion that it was a drugs thing by bringing it back to the music whenever he could. Definitely not enough time allowed to do the subject justice. It would have been interesting to maybe explore our attitudes to recreational drugs as the media would have us believe that it's a "problem" with youth culture to a large extent. We ain't been part of that for a long time. I know when my wife and I found out that her daughter was smoking pot we were concerned but only because she was turning into a bloody hippie.!!

Had A gnu as a pet once,It wrecked me house!! Very nervous creatures.

Actually I should be grateful to Mr. M's. My wife spent her time at the Casino in there and If I'd had ever gone in there, I may have met her earlier!! Im from Hazel Grove and used to pop up to Macclesfield in late 60's/early 70's as there was a decent record stall on market and a couple of shops that used to get the new release demos in. Happy times!! Cheers ROD

Bolton, Lancashire. ROD

I still have my Club Ska 67 LP which is on W.I.R.L. with his "Ska-ing West" and I kept that Prince Buster LP on US RCA. I would like the Diamonds version of "Love me forever" but I think that's an early 80's 12" so maybe not your thing. Have you tried Alex Jones, he's got a lot of 60's ska etc and probably some for sale alex.allamerican@lineone.net ROD

I still have a Gaylads 3002 in VG+ to Ex nick. No scratches. In '71 I threw 200 or so away when I started collecting Northern originals. Got 'em all from Stockport market for 10p each in late 60's and I thought no one would want them. Doctor Bird,Rio etc. If you wanna come round and give me a good kicking I fully deserve it. ROD

First of all let me assure Gavin and Cunnie that my posts of last night were not malicious in any way and Im afraid I'd been at the Tesco cream soda which always makes me hyperactive owing to the high count of artificial additives. That's my excuse and Im sticking to it. I could just have easily wrtitten that "Gavin Page has a point" but there's something about the name Cunnie that just lingers in my mind. Stuart, that was below the belt. Do I come on this site and draw attention to things you prefer to keep hidden but now the gloves are off!! Mr Cosgrove is both Scottish and ginger but despite this he has been able to lead a normal life. Sympathy cards can be sent to Stuart c/o this website. Actually I began to get somewhat disillusioned with the modern soul sound after a few trips to USA. Think I'd picked up Mother Fox, Record Player and 7th Wonder[T-Town]. This was in late 80's/early 90's and aren't they kinda 120mph and not very soulful. Gavin, I think we can meet halfway. Mr.M's is better off as a car park. Was it Bob who came up here to Macclesfield. Sold cars I think. He often mentioned you and said that one day you'd be as good a DJ as him. Next time you see him please say hello for me. My memory is getting worse. Pretty sure it was Bob,chubby with glasses. Southerner, but then we all are as far as Stuart's concerned. Facking too right,mate. ROD

I think I may have split an infinitive earlier as in "led to". I'd like to apologise to my English teacher and anybody who noticed that apalling error. Oh fcuk!! I'd like to thank the academy for this award.... ROD

. Sorry. No guessing. Dave reckons it's something to do with who is credited on label as distributor. Chess is GOOD cos that's what stamped DJ copies say. Red Lite is BAD cos that's the boot/repress due to Northern demand. That does ring a bell but Dave is also the guy who reckoned at Wigan that hec could tell what colour the label was just from the sound of the record!! In short,a nutter. Maybe somebody with less alcohol inside them could sort this out ROD

Wasn't there 2 addresses or something similar about pink issues. I wouldn't normally mention this but Im exchanging emails with My mate Dave in USA right now and he's proving to be a bigger anorak than I ever imagined. ROD

Check this site https://www.popsike.com/ Give you an idea and add a little on I'd say ROD

That was it!! I wish I could remember some of the other stuff I took over there as it was all 70's boppy dancers. Some I only ever found single copies. Last time I heard the beach lot only played CDs so 45s must be for sale over there now. ROD

I'd like to take issue with the above. Appalling has two "P"'s. Actually Pete I do have the white Sterling stamped dj but they made me do it and I don't play it. It's there solely as a warning as to the slippery slope that this 45 has led many people to. Before you know it you're wearing aftershave other than Brut and thinking Cunnie has a point. ROD

I think #3 is Johnny Moore "Still can't shake your love" on Magnet. Sure I took this to Carolinas as well but not bouncy enough to shag to. If anyone out there does like that drifters then look out for a 45 by Spooky on UK Decca from 70's, Norma Lewis on some small label or other. The titles escape me but they're kinda bouncy Northern. ROD

Oh dear,oh dear!! I can't really believe people are discussing this Drifters 45 as anything to do with the Northern scene in any way. It's an old beach music biggie as are things like the Futures "Party time man". I must have taken 25+ copies of that 45 to the Carolinas and traded them off over there. It is rarish though. Their other Epic 45 "Closely guarded secret" is a similar beat and was equally in demand then. No doubt some enterprising dj with no taste whatsoever will be giving that a spin too. ROD