Dave Pinch

its not too fashionable i dont think ted.. i like it but never been that bothered about chasing it.. unless it came cheap of course

Up for sale today is a batch of very cheap but great 60`s & 70`s soul 45`s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks For Looking .. You Tube Clips Are For Reference Only 1. Teardrops - Tears Come Tumbling / You Won`t Be There( Musicor White Demo) Rarest Variation Nice Copy Strong Vg+ £12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALGlC0WAv_A... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxdc_HuRfbk... 2. The Fashions - When Love Slips Away / I.O.U. A Love Of A Lifetime ( 20th Century) Ex £12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxg91joZaS4... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV77vap0ceA... 3. Mary Love - The Hurt Is Just Beginning / If You Can Change Your Mind ( Josie) Ex £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpNKbrmqE-A... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB0XsDCaq3M... 4. The Miracles - Ooo Baby Baby ( Tamla) 1st Issue Vg+ £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uThnUmWRCCs... 5. The Undisputed Truth - You Got The Love I Need ( Gordy) in Orig Bag Ex £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP3JDC5ClUA... 6. The Dells - Make Sure / Does Anybody Know I`m Here ( Cadet) Wol DH Vg+ £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otGJwGJfnlE... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDdbIDFFxng... 7. Gene Chandler - I Won`t Need You / No Peace No Satisfaction ( Checker) Vg+ £7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I_KRQu7vys... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9nShMSxuvU&ab_channel=Me 8. Sam Cooke - Sugar Dumpling ( Rca Victor) 3mm Edge Crack , Fixed Not Affect Play Ex £5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJFlG5pW4IE... 9. Jackey Beavers - I Never Found A Girl / Place In The Sun ( Seventy Seven ) great version Ex £5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs4aQt-m2ps... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1et01AfYxg... 10. The Boogie Man Orchestra - Lady, Lady, Lady ( Vocal/ Instrumental ( Boogie Man Records) Ex £6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiLNDMROozI... 11. The Modulations - Worth You Weight In Gold / I`ll Always Love You ( Buddah) Brill Philly Vg+ £7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sA5CjPR6jQ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA-qlGEORYw... 12. Fred Wesley - House Party ( RSO) Classic Rare Groove Ex £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNjT1OBU7E0...

Up for sale today is a quality mix of 60`s & 70`s soul 45`s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £8.00 special delivery or £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking 1. Ed Summers – I can tell (Soya) M- £140 2. Klas – let`s make love tonight (Sahara) M- £140 3. Benny Troy – I wanna give you tomorrow (De-Lite) EX £125 4. Judson Moore – everybody push & pull (Capri) EX £120 5. Rare Gems Odyssey – It don`t take much / Touchdown (Renfro) EX £60 6. Brenda & the Tabulations – that`s in the past (Dionn) VG+ £55 7. Jeanette `Baby` Washington – let love go by (ABC Paramount) Strong VG+ £65 8. Lee Rogers – craked over you / how are you fixed for love (Wheelsville Demo) rare demo with both sides on strong VG+ £50 9. Bobby Bland – shoes (Duke) strong VG+ £40 10. Jerry Weaver – you need to be here (MGM White Demo) M- £25 11. Jesse James – I can feel your love vibes (Midtown) M- £25 12. Thee Lakesiders – can`t fool me twice (Mango Hill) M £18

Up for sale today are a dozen reissues of northern classics there is some real quality music here. Bank transfer is preferred, PAYPAL is ok too. 1st classed signed for post £3.50. Overseas post is £10/£12 depending on location. Thank you for looking in 1. Tony Galla – In Love ( Swan joe Boy W/d) 1 sided Ex £50 2. Linda Jones – My Heart Needs A Break ( Warner Bros) Ex £45 3. Tony Middleton – Paris Blues ( Eric w/d) label stain Vg+ £25 4. Bernie Williams – Ever Again ( Eric w/d) hint of green on label Ex £30 5. Gerri Grainger – I Go To Pieces (Eric w/d) Ex £25 6. The Commands – Hey It`s Love ( Wax Museum) Ex £18 7. Margaret Mandolph – Something Beautiful ( Planetary) Ex £20 8. Rufus Lumley – I`m Standing ( Holton) Ex £20 9. Gloria Jones – Tainted Love (Champion) Vg+ £15 10. Art Freeman – Slippin` Around With You ( Fame) Ex Flip Label Not Stuck Right £18 11. Fred Smith Orchestra – The Same Old Thing ( Mirwood) Inst Vg+ £15 12. Spiral Starecase – More Today Than Yesterday ( Columbia HOF) VG+ £7

Up for sale today is a quality mix of 60`s & 70`s soul 45`s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £8.00 special delivery or £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking 1. The Nicky Newarkers – woman (Mercury Promo) NO HISS OR JUMPS EX £700 2. Eddie Foster – I never knew (In) label a little off centre, a couple of scuffs, writing on label, VG at best but it plays clean £625 3. Moses Smith – the girl across the street (Dionn White Demo) Rare VG+ £375 4. Ray Jimenez – leave her alone / I`ll keep on loving you (Columbia White Demo) Ex £300 5. Don Ray – born a loser (RCA Victor Yellow Demo) strong VG+ £200 6. Jimmey (Soul) Clark – (come on and be my) sweet Darlin (Soul Hawk) strong VG+ £150 7. Malcolm Hayes – put you love to the test / I gotta be with you (Filmways Promo) strong VG+ £150 8. Evie Sands – picture me gone (Cameo) EX £80 9. Bobby Taylor – oh` I`ve been bless`d`` / blackmail ( V.I.P) strong VG+ £85 10. Anthony & the Imperials – it`s not the same (Veep) EX £80 11. Edward Hamilton – i`m gonna love you / call me (Carrie) EX £70 12. Chuck Wood – seven days too long (Roulette) VG £40

Up for sale today is a quality batch of soul compilation LP`s with some mornster tunes on them. Kent, Goldmine, Grapevine And Pye..Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal as friends. Post is £5 for 1st class signed for in UK. £15 signed and tracked overseas See Pictures For Track Listings. Thank you for looking in 1. Various – Talk Of The Grapevine ( Uk Grapevine GRAL 1000) Vg/Vg plays well one side seam taped up and another side has a 6in split £10 2. Various – Jumping At The Go Go ( Uk Rca Victor RS1066) Vg/Vg+ £12 3. Various – Modern Soul 2 ( Goldmine GSLP 15) some beauties on here Vg+/Vg+ £25 4. Various – Modern 2 Soul ( Soul Supply LPSS 122) original copy Vg+/Vg+ £25 5. Various – The Modern Soul Story 1 ( Soul Supply LPSD 120) orig issue 2 x LP Set Vg+/ Vg cover £45 6. Various – Shrine , The Rarest Soul Label ( Horace`s HRH 101) Vg+/ Vg+ £20 7. Various – Shrine – Capital Soul, The Sound Of D.C. ( Horace`s HRH 102) Vg+ / Vg £15 8. Various – Its Torture (Kent 046) Vg+ / Vg+ £12 9. Various – Disco Demand`s Solid Soul Sensations ( Uk Pye DD) Vg/Vg £6 10. Various – Great Disco Demands ( Uk Pye DDLp 6002) Vg/ G cover has a Piece Missing On Front And Back and spine is damaged £6

Up for sale today is a cheap list of 45`s all on the Capitol label. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking 1. Jodi Mathis – don`t you care anymore (UK Capitol) M- £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqyZnbq2slU... 2. Ernie Andrews –fine young girl (UK Capitol) EX £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmk_Fv0N8o... 3. Lou Rawls – dead end street + monologue (US Capitol Promo) great flip, strong VG+ £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7540y6PTV8... 4. Nancy Wilson – the end of our love (US Capitol) Great Flip sticker mark on label, strong VG+ £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHSf5RQOJE0... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXagInaXIU... 5. Earl Wright – thumb a ride (UK Capitol) EX £6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnWaH1gcSMU... 6. Al De Lory – right on (UK Capitol) EX £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB7gCuRbYCA... 7. Willie Hightower – nobody but you (US Capitol) drill hole, writing on label, VG £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_mvEzIV2xs... 8. Lou Rawls – you can bring all your heartaches (US Capitol) M- £7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGUW_MKxAfM... 9. The Outsiders – time won`t let me (US Capitol) VG+ £8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvdLsAMbAJE... 10. Patrice Holloway – stay with your own kind / that`s all you got to do (US Capitol) EX £12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-1EU-J1lpo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy9MhNCVVJI... 11. Nancy Wilson – where does that leave me (US Capitol) great version, EX £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMck5UhP2fs... 12. Bettye Swann – ain`t that peculiar / don`t let it happen to us (US Capitol) EX £6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgKJnyFbar0... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJK86ni-Rw0...

I was fortunate to be super active record buying 30 years ago and bought a mint copy from pat Brady for £25.. which I still have, it was expensive at the time. Pat was never cheap lol. Then shortly after I got a minter with water damaged labels from Gary smelt for £10 which I sold on for £18

Charles mintz certainly rarer. But better… I know it’s subjective but IMO it falls short on both sides compared to DOS. £1000 all day

Up for sale today is a quality mix of 60`s and 70s soul 45s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking. You Tube Clips For Reference 1. Shirley & Jessie - You Cant Find Love ( Wand Demo) Ex £60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg48BRm0_sc... 2. Joannie Sommers - Why Dont You Do Right ( Warner Bros ) Yellow Vinyl Ex £40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MWDcwC3_C0... 3. Mitty Collier - Pain ( Chess) Ex £40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys3CqNEouc8... 4. Z. Z. Hill - Dont Make Promises ( You Cant Keep) (Kent) Ex £25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3keAX3FWGQ... 5. The C. O. D.`s - I`m A Good Guy / Pretty Baby ( Kellmac) Sticker Mark Ex £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7WYuECna0k... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enrA79_RIVU... 6. The Renaults - Just Like Mine / Another Train Pulled Out (wand) 2 Nice Early Dancers Ex £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Reusm4zRCY... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9E_jgWj9k4... 7. Shirley Matthews -You Can Count On Me / Big Town Boy ( Atlantic ) M- £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I2uIAHZADc... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCTdx37QoAg... 8. Nancy Wilson - The End Of Our Love / Face It Girl, It`s Over ( Capitol) small writing, Strong Vg+ £12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDrBg5hNNII... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXagInaXIU... 9. The Radiants - Dont It Make You Feel Kind Of Bad ( Chess) Ex £12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgT_w0QveIQ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zjpXvyN2Ok.... 10. Gene Chandler - Such A Pretty Thing / I Fooled You This Time ( Checker) Ex £10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFwrTZ9QQE... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L-E-Xj0_t8... 11. The Moments - Nine Times ( Stang) Vg+ £6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCHBp03mJDA... 12. The Moments - Rain In My Backyard ( Stang) Ex £6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kytMXwo4Pbk...

and after all that noboby ever gave me a value on this.. think i sold it for £80 at the time only to get one back then off it went again. think only got a heriage copy now that i found for 25 cents last time i was in the U.S 2 years ago thats 3 of those now that we know of.. anymore

was going to post up myself.. the original thread was 15 years back tho when the scene was in its infancy🤣 heart breaker also released in germany gotta get closer only released in late 70s on inferno tho

Up for sale today is a quality mix of 60`s and 70s original soul 45s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking The Enchantments – I`m in love with your daughter (Faro Promo) X on label, M £480 Imaginations – strange neighborhood (Fraternity Rare Issue) M- £450 Imaginations – strange neighborhood (Fraternity y/demo) £ex £400 Ed Summers – I can tell (Soya) M- . £140 Odia Coates – make it up to me baby / the worlds such a happy place (Buddah) rare issue, some label wear, Vg+ vinyl, £150 Odia Coates – make it up to me baby (buddah demo) no text on B side label vg+ £100 Evie Sands – picture me gone (Cameo) M- £90 Anthony & the Imperials – it`s not the same (Veep) M- £85 Carol Anderson – sad girl (UK Grapevine) M- £85 Sam Williams – love slipped through my fingers (UK Grapevine Demo) Ex £60 Millie Jackson – house for sale (UK Spring) M- £50 Chuck Wood – seven days too long (Roulette) M on label, strong VG+55 Chuck wood – seven days too long (Roulette) writing on label, Strong VG++ £50 Gloria Taylor – you got to pay the price (King Soul) rarer 1st label before Glo-whiz & Sliverfox, some label wear VG+ £15 Joe Tex – show me (Dial w/d) as 1 scratch causes 3 ticks, nothing drastic, VG+ £12

Up for sale today is a quality mix of 60`s and 70s cheaper soul 45s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking 1. The Dramatics - Inky Dinky Wang Dang Doo / Baby I Need You ( WinGate) Vg++ £30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHekyh5OmWs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DRqhPgQwco... 2. Benny Latimore - Girl I Got News For You / Aint Gonna Cry No More ( Dade) M- £30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmr1OJCvt3U... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqPZYD6UPRc... 3. The Agents - You Were Meant For Me /You`re Everything ( P & L ) Vg++ £20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg7oKkPLe0M... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdsrXTEj7tk... 4. The Uniques Feat Joe Stampley - Not Too Long Ago ( Paula) Ex £18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN0m8vh2z_w... 5. The Variations - Yesterday Is Gone / Empty Words ( Bob Joy) Vg £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wj3R95IU_E... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YrbrZ9cZJ4... 6. The Uniques - I`ll Do Anything ( Paula ) Vg++ £18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWPnapy-Hac... 7. Cliff Nobles & Co - Is It The Way / The Horse 1971 ( J-V) Vg++ £18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baW9tFZSlsg... 8. Joyce Lawson - Love Uprising ( Mutt & Jeff) Great Version Ex £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8azhm-_Hws... 9. Harold Andrews - Since I Talked To My Baby ( HLS) sticker mark and felt pen on flip label Vg+ £15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0fVz1wKZUg... 10. Dee Edwards - Loving You Is All I Want To Do ( Cotillion Demo) Strong Vg £12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbpXdVXz5YM... 11. Benny Latimore - There She Is / It Was So Nice While It Lasted( Dade) Drill hole, same as roy hamilton Vg+ £12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ekZ46HS8GI... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCa5yvqYuCM... 12. Aretha Franklin - Integrity ( Arista) Clear Vinyl Ex £6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAECDB_Z1O8...

Up for sale today is a quality mix of 60`s soul 45s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking 1. Paul Anka – when we get there (RCA Victor y/d) Mint £200 2. The Charades – never set me free / I don`t want to lose you (MGM y/d) M- £120 3. Sam Williams – love slipped through my fingers (UK Grapevine Demo) Ex £65 4. Chuck wood – seven days too long (Roulette) writing on label, VG++ £55 5. Barbara Lynn – you can`t buy my love (UK Immediate) centre removed, writing on label, strong VG £35 6. Gloria Taylor – you got to pay the price (King Soul) rarer 1st label before Glo-whiz & Sliverfox, some label wear VG+ £20 7. Freddie Gorman – take me back / can`t get it out of my mind ( Ric-Tic) Ex £30 8. Gino Washington – Gino is a coward / puppet on a string (Ric-Tic) EX £15 9. The Superlatives – lonely in a crowd / I don`t know how (Westbound) EX £15 10. Williams & Watson – too late (UK Epic) strong VG+ £18 11. Joe Tex – show me (Dial w/d) as 1 scratch causes 3 ticks, nothing drastic, VG+ £15 12. Maxine Brown – one in a million (Wand) early 70`s copy, EX £15

Up for sale today is a quality mix of 70`s and modern original soul 45s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking 1. Spice – for old times’ sake (Carrie) M- £350 2. Traffic Jam – I can`t get over you (Toeholt) M- £250 3. Garfield Fleming – don`t send me away (Becket Promo) looks M-, one side has 1 second noise on intro, £250 4. Odia Coates – make it up to me baby / the worlds such a happy place (Buddah) rare issue, some label wear, nice vinyl, £175 5. Randy Brown – I`m always in the mood (Parachute) rarer vinyl copy looks M-, very small edge dint not affecting play, £170 6. Ed Summers – I can tell (Soya) M- . £150 7. Lisa Stansfield – eight, Three, one (Sonic Wax) one sided, M-£130 8. Carol Anderson – sad girl (UK Grapevine) M- £100 9. Mandrill – too late (Arista) EX £70 10. Millie Jackson – house for sale (UK Spring) M- £60 11. Kim Tolliver – I don`t know what foot to dance on (Castro) strong VG+ £40 12. Linda Perry – it`s all in the back of me now (Mainstream) issue EX £40

Up for sale today is a quality mix of 60`s original soul 45s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking 1. Johnny Caswell – you don`t love me anymore (Decca Rare Issue) strong VG+ £850 2. The Majestic’s – I love her so much it hurts me (Linda Promo) VG++ £525 3. The Enchantments – I`m in love with your daughter (Faro Promo) X on label, M £525 4. Imaginations – strange neighborhood (Fraternity Rare Issue) M- £500 5. The Crystals feat. La La Brooks – I got a man / are you trying to get rid of me baby (United Artist White Demo) M- £450 6. Otis Smith – let her go (Perception White Demo) X on label, strong VG+ £285 7. Margie Joseph – one more chance (Volt Issue) M- £130 8. The Velvelettes – these things will keep me loving you (Soul White Demo) nice rare West Coast copy M- £125 9. Dee Dee Sharp – deep dark secret (Cameo) marker pen on flip, VG++ £125 10. Evie Sands – picture me gone (Cameo) M- £100 11. Anthony & the Imperials – it`s not the same (Veep) M- £100 12. Chuck Wood – seven days too long (Roulette) M on label, strong VG+70

defo russian roulette if your gonna pay £1500 for a £1500 record then hope to make money and pay your tax bill as well🙃. the idea is to source a bit cheaper..make a bit and account for your tax. i cant see the logic in paying the goin rate then tryingto make money..doesnt sound like good business sense unless you know someone willin to pay well over the odds

totally agree with that.. i dont see the point in bidding top whack on ebay with a view of flipping over here for much more. however sadly it does seem to work now and again. price tags have certainly put records out of this regular guys reach and i gotta be happy with my lot now particularly as its my living now and selling has to be more of priority before i can even consider buying.

Up for sale today is a quality and varied mix of 70`s & modern original soul 45s. Some great records here, Bank transfer is preferred but can take PayPal too as friends and family. Post is £3.50 for 1st class signed for in UK. £10/15 signed and tracked overseas depending on location. Thanks for looking.. some fabulous soul music here..all on you tube if you need to check some out 1. Jade – one down & you to go (Budweiser) VG+ £120 2. Beverly & Duane – you belong to me / love (Brown Bomber) strong VG £55 3. Keni Lewis – ain`t gonna make it easy (De-Vel) strong VG+ £50 4. L.J. Reynolds – all I need / cookin` with Nixon (Lady)great versions strong VG+ £40 5. Cecilio & Kapono – someday (Columbia White Demo) great EX £40 6. Eric Mercury – take me girl I`m ready (Columbia White Demo) great version EX £40 7. Chicago Pete – I`m begging you (Valerie) EX, picture cover VG £40 8. The Futures – party time man (Philadelphia International White Demo) EX £30 9. Tina Turner – back stabbers (UK United Artists) rare & great version, EX £25 10. Gayle Adams – baby I need you loving (UK Epic Promo) great versionEX £30 11. Sam Dees – come back strong / Worn out broken heart (Atlantic) M- £20 12. JJ Barnes – how long (UK Casino Classics) great version good all night band on flip EX £8

Thats all issue is worth imo malc. Who is paying these prices.. maniacs

i think youre right.. but now some guys are starting to collect more LPs as the cant or wont compete with the prices 45s command

records were certainly more plentiful back then without so much the demand for records. mere mortals in the main didnt buy from usa dealers. we had lists from the main players who did..john anderson etc and boxes from the smaller fish at nighters. buying from ebay was also great in the early days..no fun at all now with guys paying way too much for beat up records. when i say dealers always buying from dealers i mean lesser ( at the time) like pat brady who always bought stock from martin koppel.. andy dyson who worked at anglo and got a start there.. but these guys had the foresight and like you say their mark up margin was smaller..today all we have in the main are high priced records some not rare at all..and in the main a lot of cheaper ones are hard to sell as supply has outweighed demand

Not really a problem dealers buying from dealers. That’s always gone on. In this case it could be that they win from say .. Carolina soul on eBay and pay a world record price to acquire in the first place.. not sure how they hope to flip for profit

its a little over but has been £500+ for some time now.. the sheila ferguson is mental imo.. the contours and stemmons a little high.. didnt think Zu Zu was that kind of money either