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so are you the seller or a friend of the seller? because it's weird how you just signed up to post this "friendly reminder" and this is your only post ebay sales links are supposed to go in the ebay sales forum. it's totally obnoxious how people have been promoting their sales here recently. this might be an exception as it's a rare record, but it's still obnoxious.

have you tried to get the desires flattened? i had a kings of soul that was unplayable due to a large warp, got it flattened by someone who does it manually in an oven and it turned out okay... but some other ones he did for me didn't so it's a coin toss. some people actually have record flattening machines and will flatten a record for a fee (maybe like $25 or something?), you could try it

thought of another one: Deceptions - You're going to run to me - Peace crazy fuzz guitar on it. also love their version of "of all the hearts". also curtis liggins indications - what it is also that dynamic desires on Mel

that green berets record is sick. it's so good and I had the record for years before I finally "got" that side when people started playing it. that ghetto friendship record is too weird for me with all the tempo changes.

yeah the best part since the song builds up slowly is when they hit the high note saying "I don't think I'll ever love another". The darling dears has a totally different feel since it's all psychedelic, they actually sing a lower note at that point.

i listened to this on youtube repeatedly for an hour and a half yesterday

symphonic four - who do you think you're fooling dynamic tints - rosemarie

FWIW, the funk brothers don't play on that morocos muzik makers 45. the band is from ohio and played their own music and that was the only thing they did in detroit, same group as little woo woo and the morocos, moroccos on pork, etc.

my friend talked to them last year, they totally refused to license their track because they said they were doing a new blues version of it and thought it would somehow interfere with that. group is from new haven CT.

you know much more than me in these genres but i think the lines are not as clear cut between R&B and rockabilly, are they?

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I think you can find uses and origins of the word "soul" before the late 60s. That's why I specifically talked about it as "culturally important / frequently used" vs. used at all. For example, the TV program "Soul!" ran from 1968-1973. The TV show Soul Train started in 1970 in Chicago. The magazine "Soul" published starting somewhere around 1970 (for some reason I can't find a citation for it online to verify the exact years, even though I own some issues and have looked it up online before...).

I think this is a known rockabilly record. No connection to the philly group. Label looks LA.

Maybe you should be more "aware" of the cultural context of the music you listen to? "Soul" and "Soul Music" are specific terms that became culturally important / frequently used directly in connection with the emergence of the elements of African-American consciousness / identity that was happening in the late 60s and early 70s -- e.g. changes in politics, clothing, hairstyles, food, attitudes, and every other cultural element. Obviously the meaning of words change but in this case it has a lot of baggage and is very closely tied to very specific things. The music "ceased to be produced" when the people producing the music and connected to the cultural movement ceased to use it as a term to describe their own music. It's problematic to reappropriate the word to describe other things because of its close connection with specific historical and cultural things. At least it should be done with an awareness of what the word came from. I would describe a lot of music today as "soulful" and maybe some throwback acts like Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings are able to capture an older sound and I would go so far as to call them "throwback soul" or something like that, but even those acts aren't making music in the specific cultural context that "soul music" comes from. Anyways, people need to chill out. I don't see why people should be nasty.

you are definitely correct on this point. The thread that started this debate though was whether there is real White soul music (not "northern soul").

Race is an extremely important factor in Soul Music. To deny is is to put your head in the sand. That doesn't mean that there's not good White soul artists or bad Black soul artists. But it was music mostly created by and produced by African Americans.

when records hit huge prices it's usually two people knocking it up, otherwise it goes much lower. probably a case of one very high bidder without another to match it.

here's a one by a White group:

I wasn't insulted! Falsetto harmony (slow or fast) is my absolute favorite soul sound. Here's another of my favorite records which is more northern: here's another killer sweet one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0a2PoLM3Gw

awesome thanks so much, I appreciate it

It's fine if you don't like it, different strokes for different folks. It just clearly sounds more like the Stylistics and Delfonics than the Four Seasons. The record is maybe my favorite record of all time, I can listen to it on repeat forever.

I'm sorry that you don't have any real points of comparison, apparently you haven't heard much 70s soul music.

I don't see how someone could think this is a White group. "I don't think I'll ever love another" is one of the greatest sweet soul records of all time, KILLER falsetto harmony (and much better than the recently hyped cover by the Darling Dears, which is good). The northern side is just okay.

I'm guessing sunioz has some info given their bumping of the thread

patronizing or not, I think he was just saying that the record would only be that important to you if you were on the northern scene 1970-1976. If anything, he was agreeing with you about the record being not that inherently great to other soul collectors. most dealers talk up their records for sale anyways, you reaction is sort of silly IMHO. for me, the record is just vaguely interesting due to it being chicago related. the fact that this thread makes it more of a "foreign" press actually makes it less interesting for me -- like a british or italian release of a US record... I know it was probably pressed in the US, it's just that it was not even intended for the US market.