Ian Dewhirst

Yep, ridiculous innit? He deserves a Northern Soul medal of honour for first class commitment. I thought he was old in 1973 LOL. .... In fact, the first time I ever saw Sam was at that very gig at Whitchurch Civic Hall in 1973 or thereabouts when I asked someone who the old bloke was that kept shuffling around the stage. I actually thought Soul Sam was like, Whitchurch Civic Hall's caretaker or something........... Love him dearly for his passion, commitment and enthusiasm. Ian D PS If I had one copy of something, he'd still get it first

Well, Sam still seems to be the hardest working jock on the scene. I bet he's still cranking out a couple of gigs a week isn't he? 40 years in the top flight isn't to be sniffed at is it? Ian D

Yep, first time I heard it was when John played it off the LP at Cleethorpes. I seem to remember U.S. 7" copies coming over quite soon after that which spread the record everywhere very quickly. I even dimly seem to remember that it may have been covered up as "Trying To Find You" since the name Babe Ruth didn't sound too sexy next to the regular stuff. Babe Ruth had another popular underground track in the U.S. clubs with "The Mexican". which was first championed on the early Hip-Hop scene by Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash and was even bootlegged for 'the Breaks' crowd. The Bombers did a Disco cover version on West End records which is the better-known version these days. Apparently they're still performing - they even played a tour of Canada last year:- Babe Ruth Ian D

Hiya Paul, Well maybe it shows how political the scene has become? It's kinda easier to swerve the issue rather than confront it? I guess I'm trying to figure out how much thirst there is for new sounds via the mass audience these days? I mean, can any DJ play a 'height of the night' set to a 'mainstream' audience with purely super rare or new spins without resorting to oldies these days? Ian D

Yep, interesting for sure and that's one of the reasons I posed the question. As you say, there's an incredible amount of interest in the subject just gauging the amount of views to this thread, yet hardly any replies for some reason. OK, admittedly I posed a lot of questions and it's a complex subject. Probably understandable that nobody wants to nail their colours to the mast. But to me this a what a forum should be about. I'm in the enviable position of being able to say what I want because I've been around since the year dot, I'm old enough to have an impervious criticism shield and I'm not enmeshed in any scene politics. Objectively what I see right now, is almost another potential split in the scene, where the mass (circa 90%) audience is for oldies (probably 'cos it's easier, more convenient for most and hits the perfect demographic for the age group) and the serious die-hards (circa 10%) who want to hear the new rare tunes and fresh plays. So, do the twain ever meet? Are the traditional grass routes reliable HUGE audience of mainly over 50's who love their oldies capable of appreciating a vintage Butch set? Is Butch working hard enough? Is he doing 2-3 gigs a week to prime receptive audiences? Is he hitting enough people with his tunes? Should more promoters be booking DJ's who play current stuff rather then oldies? And, if so, will their audiences appreciate it? How do great new Northern Soul tunes spread to the mass audience these days? I dunno. That's the point of the thread........... Ian D

Following on from the 'Where Are All The New Discoveries" thread it occurred to me that things are much more difficult these days in terms of 'breaking' a new tune. In the 1970s we had a 100,000 strong highly focussed, passionate and youthful crowd on the scene and big new tunes could break in a couple of weeks all across the country. A decent bootleg could sell 20,000 copies and a UK release of an in-demand item could even hit the UK charts and sell over 100,000. But times have changed and the scene has naturally evolved. So who's responsible for establishing the 'big' new tunes these days? This generally narrows down to who are the DJ's who are actively 'breaking' new tunes on the scene as it exists these days? And how do they manage to do it? Do they play at a major gig every week? Do they 'cross-over' to larger crowds at bigger events? Are they deejaying with like-minded DJ's and an encouraging promoter with a good crowd? Or is the scene made out of a 10% elite who see the top DJ's regularly and know who's playing the good stuff and a 90% audience who just want to hear oldies? Plus 10 zillion private collectors with decent collections who just want to play their favorites to their mates? It must be tough. Right now Butch seems to be No.1 and seems to command universal respect from all quarters, so how do his plays impact on the rest of the scene? Does a great Butch play mean that most DJ's will then beat a stampede to get hold of that tune? Can a Butch play accelerate a record's value 1000% in 3 months? What level of demand these days makes a record worth re-issuing? Questions, questions...... In short, how do you break a new Northern Soul tune these days and get it popular with the total audience that's out there? Can it still be done? Ian D

Well yes the weekend did kinda kill me this week LOL. Still great to see so many friends last Saturday night/Sunday morning in Islington and Dalston so happy birthdays to Chris Barnett and Andy Link. Killer night, sore head the next day - exactly the way it should be LOL. And many thanks to all who tuned for the live show on Sunday - it's always great to have a friendly crowd to cure the hangover! Finally thanks to everyone who showed up down at East Village on Sunday afternoon/evening. That is turning into a great friendly little gig with great music and a lovely crowd! Hats off to all and big shouts to Al, Andrew, Dave and the rest of the Six Million Steps collective. Six Million Steps Presents The Original Mastercuts Show LIVE with Ian Dewhirst and Alan Champ between 2.00-4.00pm on Sunday 6th February 2011 on everyone's favourite Soul station www.starpointradio.com. Featuring...... 1st Hour Patti LaBelle - New Day - Darryl James Full Vocal Mix Soularis - Change The World - Neil Thompson 7" Edit Donnie Ray - Who's Rockin' You Alicia Myers - I Want To Thank You - Alkino Rework Curtis Mayfield - Love Me Love Me Now - Touchsoul Re-Edit Billy Paul - Let The Dollar Circulate - ScatchNSniff Re-Edit The O'Jays - Let Love Flow The Nobles - Jealousy Delight - Is It Too Late Corey Glover - Little Girl Al Hudson & The Soul Partners - Trying To Prove My Love 2nd Hour The Marvelettes - Only Your Love Can Save Me The Idle Few - People That's Why Lee David - Temptation's Calling My Name Edwin Starr - Treat Her Right Otis Williams - I Got To Have You Spyder Turner - I've Been Waiting Rose Royce - Love Is In The Air Johnny Taylor - Shoot For The Stars Earth, Wind & Fire - I'll Write A Song For You Tommy McGhee - Now That I Have You Bobby Caldwell & Earth, Wind & Fire - Fantasy/What You Won't Do For Love - Dan Mela Crazy Mix Barry White - It's Only Love Doing It's Thing - Leon DeeJay Extended Mix Original Mastercuts Show 6/02/2011 Al is hosting next week and I'll catch you all on Sunday 20th February! Laters, Ian D

Only Christy Allen to my knowledge. Another one of those boots which came out too early as the record hadn't properly broken at the time. Ian D

Probably Mark. In truth it was more of a Wigan Record anyway - a stomping good time nighter record really and a monster floor-filler at the time. Ian D

Also, if you're in Huddersfield you could try and track down Fred Ward or Phil Dick (who's on here) over in Bradford. Also, if you can get over to Manchester then Brian '45' Phillips (who's also on here) would be a good guy to talk to as he was DJ at the Twisted Wheel. Ian D

Wow. Fascinating story Ratso. The record really took off after Ian Levine found a bunch of copies on one of his U.S. trips and then used 'em as swaps to get stuff he didn't have. That's where my copy came from, I guess circa 1974 or thereabouts. I wonder if August and Deneen knew that ABC reissued the track in the UK in 1977 because of it's popularity on the Northern scene? Ian D

Whey Hey. The repeat is coming up @ 5.00pm today folks. Crackin' show this week so catch it if you can! www.starpointradio.com Ian D

OK, I'm posting this early 'cos I'm out and about tonight and in party mode! Shout outs for Chris Barnet's 40th and Andy Link's 50th - see you tonight guys! All of which means I'm gonna be crawling in bruised and battered sometime in the early hours of Sunday morning. Then I'll wake up feeling like death, knock back a massive breakfast, pick Champy up and head for Starpoint Towers. Yes folks, it's another Original Mastercuts Champ and Dewhirst special tomorrow and it'll all be LIVE from 2.00pm UK time! And then Champy and I will be going over to East Village in Shoreditch another one of our regular Six Million Steps Sunday sessions! Details here: https://www.eastvillageclub.co.uk/ And then I'll crawl home and die. May as well catch the show whilst I'm still alive ay? Six Million Steps Presents The Original Mastercuts Show LIVE with Ian Dewhirst and Alan Champ between 2.00-4.00pm on Sunday 6th February 2011 on everyone's favourite Soul station www.starpointradio.com. Featuring...... Patti LaBelle * Soularis * Donnie Ray * Alicia Myers * Curtis Mayfield * Billy Paul * The O'Jays * The Nobles * Delight * Corey Glover * Al Hudson & The Soul Partners * The Marvelettes * The Idle Few * Lee David * Edwin Starr * Vicki Sue Robinson * Otis Williams * Spyder Turner * Rose Royce * Johnny Taylor * Earth, Wind & Fire * Tommy McGhee * Bobby Caldwell & Earth, Wind & Fire * Barry White Hope to catch you all tomorrow afternoon in the Starpoint chatroom @ 2.00pm sharp! Laters, Ian D

Told ya the David Ruffin was a beauty didn't I. And yes, that would in fact be another mix on the O'Jays from none other than young Lee. Tasty ay? Hope you got the cheque Mart! Ian D

There's a lot to be said for pre Popsike/e-bay/Manship guide days for sure. My last trip to the U.S. three years ago covered New York, Pitsburgh, New Jersey and all the way up to Buffalo and back and the general rule seemed to a 'no prices, pick anything you want, bring it to the counter 2 hours before closing, come back at closing and we'll tell you the price' kinda thang. Took all the fun out of it and gave me the impression that I was working for them, simply pulling out all the goodies. This is where we could really do with time-travel innit? Ian D

And last time I was there I got a Kadoo Strings "Nothing But Love" on Impact , a J.B. Bingham on U.A. and handful of Lew Kirton "Heaven In The Afternoon" white promos. A couple of hours in the back. Hey presto. What's not to like? Ian D

I think everyone's being a bit pessimistic. Admittedly I haven't been to Florida for the last 10 years but I went several times between 1980-2000 and never failed to find decent stuff. Who knows what might be dumped in a flea market on the week you go? Everyone told me that I wouldn't find anything there in 2001 and I found one of the best collections I've ever seen all as a result of buying a few things from a junk box in a flea market and then being invited around to the house where the other 25K records were! It's probably pointless going to the obvious stores but if you're prepared to dig around a bit and go off the beaten track a couple of times then who knows? Be bold! Ian D

Yep. Me too. It never really took off and then just languished for years as a cheapie. Sounds friggin' brilliant now! Propa Northern Soul! The Rotations - Trying To Make You My Own - Mala Ian D

The 12" remix of Crown Heights Affair "Dancin'" by any chance? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSqN5gGde7Y Ian D

My mistake Tony, so apologies. So my favourite 2 records by the Marvelettes both turned out not to feature Gladys Horton but I still wish her the best. Note to self: must research better before I post........... Ian D

RIP Gladys. Ian D

You mean you hadn't already got it on import Jerry......? How's your sis by the way? She used to pop into EMI in the mid 80's but I haven't seen her since........ Ian D

I was there along with Ian Levine, Colin Curtis, Paul Schofield, John Grant and all the other Northern-based DJ's. We were all expecting (and probably hoping) he'd fall on his arse but happily that wasn't the case. He was great full stop. It was a revelation to be honest. I remember him kicking off with Ashford & Simpson's "Don't Cost You Nothing" with Fred Dove from Warner Bros on the stage and he rocked it all the way through his set. The floor was packed. He also utilsed some gimmicks and sang along to some of the records and it all worked like a dream. A lesson in total professionalism in my view and most of us upped our game after seeing him perform that gig. I had the utmost respect for him after that. A total pro in my opinion. I got to know him personally a bit better some 30 years later and I haven't changed my opinion one iota. One of the greatest live DJ's of our era. Ian D

Probably. It would have been about the same time....... Ian D

That's typical Simon. He'd have probably done a handful of each of his pressings from that period on coloured vinyl just for the rarity of 'em. Nice though...... Ian