Thought I would have a rummage through a few of them (before my time I may add) and found that the same arguments ie seventies/modern/oldies were being discussed then albeit in paper form.It's just transferred to the net. They seem like a week by week history of the northern scene as it was.Loads of reports on venues etc and even some pics.As Mr Deejay "Frank" has pointed out the adverts for clubs that plugged their sounds are fascinating.I really started buying Echoes and then found I was buying Echoes for one page in the end!!.Discussion on oldies and Pat Brady playing new sounds Chandlers in 1980/81 !!!! Oldies and newies were mixed and theres a good discussion on how new sounds should be introduced.What record is Chris Holmes pointing at??. Im sure Alan Rhodes ended up as a deejay on Radio Tees.I have an interview with him,Chris King and Eddie Holman somewhere.

Edited April 25, 201015 yr by wiggyflat

I loved Echoes, always felt it was superior to Blues and Soul. We used to buy them after school, walk to my mates house and read them in his bedroom and decide where to go next. Great days.

I loved Echoes, always felt it was superior to Blues and Soul...

It's not really a fair comparison though, as most of the interesting developments as far as the early Northern scene was concerned had already happened by the time Black Echoes started up (in 1976). Blues & Soul was really the only worthwhile mag for Soul music in the early 70s and was avidly read by all.

(The first issue of Black Music was in late 1973).

Thought I would have a rummage through a few of them (before my time I may add) and found that the same arguments ie seventies/modern/oldies were being discussed then albeit in paper form.It's just transferred to the net. They seem like a week by week history of the northern scene as it was.Loads of reports on venues etc and even some pics.As Mr Deejay "Frank" has pointed out the adverts for clubs that plugged their sounds are fascinating.I really started buying Echoes and then found I was buying Echoes for one page in the end!!.Discussion on oldies and Pat Brady playing new sounds Chandlers in 1980/81 !!!! Oldies and newies were mixed and theres a good discussion on how new sounds should be introduced.What record is Chris Holmes pointing at??. Im sure Alan Rhodes ended up as a deejay on Radio Tees.I have an interview with him,Chris King and Eddie Holman somewhere.

Hi in one of the early issues theres a regular feature by Chris Savory. I would be greatful to find a copy thats got a feature about myself and selling records at Wigan Casino, thing is I cant remember the Date, what I do remember not only did he name me but he printed my full address (a Good way to get busted at the time?) i am pretty sure it was in 77 just around the time the Kempston Rovers FC nights started with Franco running the show with Hammy Brillo Me & Mick now & again, can any one remember this little club night held on a Thursday?? any way I would love to have a copy with the article or even a print. I no I have asked before, but had no joy cheers ears. DAVE KILWORTH (Formally from Letchworth) quite close to the place they dumped the headless man also near to Micks & Taffys. the PITS

Hi in one of the early issues theres a regular feature by Chris Savory. I would be greatful to find a copy thats got a feature about myself and selling records at Wigan Casino, thing is I cant remember the Date, what I do remember not only did he name me but he printed my full address (a Good way to get busted at the time?) i am pretty sure it was in 77 just around the time the Kempston Rovers FC nights started with Franco running the show with Hammy Brillo Me & Mick now & again, can any one remember this little club night held on a Thursday?? any way I would love to have a copy with the article or even a print. I no I have asked before, but had no joy cheers ears. DAVE KILWORTH (Formally from Letchworth) quite close to the place they dumped the headless man also near to Micks & Taffys. the PITS

i can remember being lent home of the blues mags nmbers 1and 2 years ago chris savory did some artikles in them cant remember it was so long ago. home of the blues being a fore runner of blue n soul.

Wasn't that one page in Echoes (or Black Echoes as it once was) called The Rambler...Checkin' lt Out' by Frank Elson in B&S was brilliant as well!

Was one page in Black Echoes at the back and I think there was half a page of advertising.All pre internet.I think Blues and Soul only had Franks ramblings in the end as time had definately moved on.

Thought I would have a rummage through a few of them (before my time I may add) and found that the same arguments ie seventies/modern/oldies were being discussed then albeit in paper form.It's just transferred to the net. They seem like a week by week history of the northern scene as it was.Loads of reports on venues etc and even some pics.As Mr Deejay "Frank" has pointed out the adverts for clubs that plugged their sounds are fascinating.I really started buying Echoes and then found I was buying Echoes for one page in the end!!.Discussion on oldies and Pat Brady playing new sounds Chandlers in 1980/81 !!!! Oldies and newies were mixed and theres a good discussion on how new sounds should be introduced.What record is Chris Holmes pointing at??. Im sure Alan Rhodes ended up as a deejay on Radio Tees.I have an interview with him,Chris King and Eddie Holman somewhere.

The Chandlers was hardly a new sound in 80/81.

It was 1st played by my fellow DJ in Accrington in 1975 the late Andy Riding R.I.P.

In fact he sold it to Pat in 1976.

Dave.

The Chandlers was hardly a new sound in 80/81.

It was 1st played by my fellow DJ in Accrington in 1975 the late Andy Riding R.I.P.

In fact he sold it to Pat in 1976.

Dave.

It is being quoted as a newie by Pat Brady in the article..........someones oldie is always someones newie.I think Kris Peterson went on to become a newie as well.....after being an oldie

Edited May 2, 201015 yr by wiggyflat

Hi in one of the early issues theres a regular feature by Chris Savory. I would be greatful to find a copy thats got a feature about myself and selling records at Wigan Casino, thing is I cant remember the Date, what I do remember not only did he name me but he printed my full address (a Good way to get busted at the time?) i am pretty sure it was in 77 just around the time the Kempston Rovers FC nights started with Franco running the show with Hammy Brillo Me & Mick now & again, can any one remember this little club night held on a Thursday?? any way I would love to have a copy with the article or even a print. I no I have asked before, but had no joy cheers ears. DAVE KILWORTH (Formally from Letchworth) quite close to the place they dumped the headless man also near to Micks & Taffys. the PITS

Hi, Dthe, I can remember a Thursday night at the Addison Center Kempston and later at Daly's Club on the main road but thought the Rovers was a Friday? Could be wrong as got married around that time and had to stop enjoying myself!!

coincedentaly, I used to print Black Echoes at Beds County Press and met Neil Rushton there a few times as he worked for the paper. I aslo, used to post a copy to an old mate in the navy, who I met at the Casino, called Andy Bate or Bates and thought it was a great laugh to address it to Master Bates, oh stich my sides back up!! Perhaps thats why I never heard from him again.

You may abe right but on a friday me a Chris used to do our drug run to the Wigan Oldie the off to Blackpool Meccaand back to wigan the of to an al-dayer at sheffield Burnly Cats Whiskers or the Ritz...Do you rememder Tilly John Ans CAROLINE Tony Worret andy spever Brillo Hammy well all the crrowd?? me and Mick would trvel to bedford from Letchworth in the Gas Fiters Ven, and I would hear all the records bfor any one. HAPPY DAYS, have a gander you may fing it it may be in a 77 issue now i think about it. other bedford memories the pilgrims carlos, and smelly george in the river??very sad:ph34r:Dve

Yeah I knew all those faces, are you talking about Chris B*******n ? still see Tony W and Hammie, I think we must know each other. The pilgims was a great bar to end up at before or after a niter do you remember the Lair on the he opp side of the river ? it was a back bar of The Anglers Hotel before it burnt down.

Tilly did'nt go to many soul do's in the my time but all the brothers were/are good blokes. I suppose who you remember depends on when you were going and there are a few overlaps, glad you have good memories of Bedford always been a stong soul following here to the day.

Cheers Andy

Yeah I knew all those faces, are you talking about Chris B*******n ? still see Tony W and Hammie, I think we must know each other. The pilgims was a great bar to end up at before or after a niter do you remember the Lair on the he opp side of the river ? it was a back bar of The Anglers Hotel before it burnt down.

Tilly did'nt go to many soul do's in the my time but all the brothers were/are good blokes. I suppose who you remember depends on when you were going and there are a few overlaps, glad you have good memories of Bedford always been a stong soul following here to the day.

Cheers Andy

I USED TO LIKE THE CHIP SHOP, JUST OVER THE BRIGE, IT WAS WUN BY WHAT WE USED TO SAY BACK THEN A "ITIE" I DONT NO IF THAT IS OFFENCEIVE BUT THAT WHAT BEDFORD WAS KNOWN FOR BACK THEN, LITTLE ITALY, WE CALLED IT, AND THE OLD JOKE (Q). "WHY DO BEDFORD BOYS WARE PLIMSOLES"?? (A) SO THEY COULD RUN AWAY FROM THE NORTH HERTS BOOT BOYS, VERY TRUE, THERE ARE VARIATIONS OF THE PLIMSOLE JOKE, THAT USED TO BOOM! OUT OF THE NORTH BANK & THE CHICKEN RUN AT THE BOWLYN, NORMALLY AT OUTHER LONDON CLUBS, BUT THE SPURS GOT IT WORST, WITH THE CLASSIC @TIPTOE THROUGH THE PARK LANE" WERE ALL THE JEW BOYS WORE PLIMSOLES AND CARRIED PLASTIC FLICK KNIVES. I DEGRESS, THE CHIP SHOP OWNER WHEN I ASKED "WHAT PIES HE HAD" USED TO REPLY LISTING THE WHOLE GAMMOT IN BROKEN ENGLISH. A BIT LIKE SVEN, STARTING WITH WELL IIII GOTT A STEAK THE KIDNY, THE CHICKEN THE MUSHROOM. i WOULD WET ME SELF LAUGHING! I HAVE GROWN UP SINCE, YES I WOULD LOVE TO COME DOWN SOME TIME AND SEE YOU ALL, I HAVE LIVED IN WOLVES 30 YEARS NOW, IT IS STRANGE BECAUSE WHEN I DO GO BACK I FIND MYSELF LOOKING FOR PEOPLE AS THEY DID THEN, DENIM JACKET SKINNER JEANS, ALL GETING ON THE SOUL BROTHER COACH TO GO TO WIGAN.

DAVE KIL (I HAVE A POSTER FOR TONY HE WANTED IF YOU SEE HIM COULD YOU PASS IT ON TO HIM LET ME KNOW IT'S A a4 CIRCA 82 FOR THE REGAL HITCHIN,

I USED TO LIKE THE CHIP SHOP, JUST OVER THE BRIGE, IT WAS WUN BY WHAT WE USED TO SAY BACK THEN A "ITIE" I DONT NO IF THAT IS OFFENCEIVE BUT THAT WHAT BEDFORD WAS KNOWN FOR BACK THEN, LITTLE ITALY, WE CALLED IT, AND THE OLD JOKE (Q). "WHY DO BEDFORD BOYS WARE PLIMSOLES"?? (A) SO THEY COULD RUN AWAY FROM THE NORTH HERTS BOOT BOYS, VERY TRUE, THERE ARE VARIATIONS OF THE PLIMSOLE JOKE, THAT USED TO BOOM! OUT OF THE NORTH BANK & THE CHICKEN RUN AT THE BOWLYN, NORMALLY AT OUTHER LONDON CLUBS, BUT THE SPURS GOT IT WORST, WITH THE CLASSIC @TIPTOE THROUGH THE PARK LANE" WERE ALL THE JEW BOYS WORE PLIMSOLES AND CARRIED PLASTIC FLICK KNIVES. I DEGRESS, THE CHIP SHOP OWNER WHEN I ASKED "WHAT PIES HE HAD" USED TO REPLY LISTING THE WHOLE GAMMOT IN BROKEN ENGLISH. A BIT LIKE SVEN, STARTING WITH WELL IIII GOTT A STEAK THE KIDNY, THE CHICKEN THE MUSHROOM. i WOULD WET ME SELF LAUGHING! I HAVE GROWN UP SINCE, YES I WOULD LOVE TO COME DOWN SOME TIME AND SEE YOU ALL, I HAVE LIVED IN WOLVES 30 YEARS NOW, IT IS STRANGE BECAUSE WHEN I DO GO BACK I FIND MYSELF LOOKING FOR PEOPLE AS THEY DID THEN, DENIM JACKET SKINNER JEANS, ALL GETING ON THE SOUL BROTHER COACH TO GO TO WIGAN.

DAVE KIL (I HAVE A POSTER FOR TONY HE WANTED IF YOU SEE HIM COULD YOU PASS IT ON TO HIM LET ME KNOW IT'S A a4 CIRCA 82 FOR THE REGAL HITCHIN,

Ha!! Trainers!! could only have been Dunlop green flash or those black ones with elasticated sides in those days!! It's more like eastern europe now in Bedford after a spell being twined with Jalabad.

I cant quite place the chippy but I can relate to the type of owner, more like Stavros but without the charm. Come on down as they say, there are a good few still knocking around, theres a bit of a soul night coming up at Stewartby just off J13 M1. Cheers Andy

Hi, Dthe, I can remember a Thursday night at the Addison Center Kempston and later at Daly's Club on the main road but thought the Rovers was a Friday? Could be wrong as got married around that time and had to stop enjoying myself!!

coincedentaly, I used to print Black Echoes at Beds County Press and met Neil Rushton there a few times as he worked for the paper. I aslo, used to post a copy to an old mate in the navy, who I met at the Casino, called Andy Bate or Bates and thought it was a great laugh to address it to Master Bates, oh stich my sides back up!! Perhaps thats why I never heard from him again.

The Addison Centre was a good night, as the time has gone by I had totaly forgot about the place, I think thats where I bought the classsic LEFT OUT-JESSIE JONNSON - OLD TOWN RECORDS OF HAMMY!, I have a very good record collection now, but records like that one are not as available these days and I dont think it was Booted, I am sure this is one of the places Mick S Started to DJ at I rememer him playing "you ready now" on AVENUE EP for a few weeks and the B side of the Superlitives I STILL LOVE THAT is never played these days DAVE

The Addison Centre was a good night, as the time has gone by I had totaly forgot about the place, I think thats where I bought the classsic LEFT OUT-JESSIE JONNSON - OLD TOWN RECORDS OF HAMMY!, I have a very good record collection now, but records like that one are not as available these days and I dont think it was Booted, I am sure this is one of the places Mick S Started to DJ at I rememer him playing "you ready now" on AVENUE EP for a few weeks and the B side of the Superlitives I STILL LOVE THAT is never played these days DAVE

Yes, excellent track, not heard that for a long while and a fair few quids worth now. PM your real ID and I will mention you to Hammy, stll see him on a regular basis. Cheers Andy

DtheDRUG is DAVE KILWORTH NORTH HERTS BOOTBOY/SOULBOY = THE SPIRIT OF 69 DAVE(PM U)KIL

The record Chris Holmes is pointing to is

FRANK BEVERLEY/IF THATS WHAT YOU WANTED

(WHITE SASSY DEMO).

We have that copy of Blues and Soul,also,somewhere among

the many shelves full of "old"soul mags.

(Mrs) Sue  Holmes