Warning this is a chin-stroking thread and I apologise in advance.

Hi

Can anyone help with research. I'm trying to make sense of the last confusing months of the legendary Shrine Label. A mystery surrounds the instrumental 'Charge' which has been played on the rare soul scene.

It comes in at least two forms:

1. The Dreams (They Call Me Jessie James)/The Dreams Band Charge (DC Sound 02) This features Kenni Lewis, the Shrine staff writer and one time member of the Cairos of 'Stop Overlooking Me' fame. It was released in July 1969, by which time Shrine was a busted flush.

2. Strings 'n' Things Charge/Fabulous New York (Jet Set 1007) which is credited to Dale Warren. This appears on a label funded by Shrine's backers the Jet Set.

They are obviously the same record but very different versions. The first is a stomper the latter more orchestral, modern and like a soundtrack. Same intrumental but the writing credits are very different, one crediting the soul-funk producer Gene Dozier the other crediting Dale Warren, Raynoma Gordy's nephew, and a Shrine veteran, who is now I think a classical composer.

The first question is simple - what is the connection between Gene Dozier and Dale Warren?

The second question - I am aware of the Jet Set discography - Jimmy Armstrong/Barbara Long/Jimmy Castor but any further info on DC Sound label would be much appreciated.

Stuart

(Again sorry this is so arcane)

I never realised the Strings And Things 'Charge' and the The Dreams Band 'Charge' were connected ! They do have the same basic structure. I have a bit of a thing about The Dreams Band track on D.C. Sounds but didn't come out on Shout too ?

The Strings 'n' Things says Washington on the label and I suppose that ties up with D.C. Sounds too - and there are other "Dreams" tracks on "D.C." but with different numbers I think-are they the same Dreams? The Strings 'n' Things label also mentions Ray Gordy as 'Director".

I suppose the connection is Detroit though. I have a headache now. What was the question again ?

I never realised the Strings And Things 'Charge' and the The Dreams Band 'Charge' were connected ! They do have the same basic structure. I have a bit of a thing about The Dreams Band track on D.C. Sounds but didn't come out on Shout too ?

The Strings 'n' Things says Washington on the label and I suppose that ties up with D.C. Sounds too - and there are other "Dreams" tracks on "D.C." but with different numbers I think-are they the same Dreams? The Strings 'n' Things label also mentions Ray Gordy as 'Director".

I suppose the connection is Detroit though. I have a headache now. What was the question again ?

Raynoma Gordy as "Director"?

Yep the label says-

Prod by Dimitri Villiard

Caspar Davis

Directed by Ray Gordy

Arr and cond. by Dale Warren

what is the connection between Gene Dozier and Dale Warren?

Dale Warren became Gene Dozier's milkman

Didn't come out on Shout too ?

The Strings 'n' Things label also mentions Ray Gordy as 'Director".

I suppose the connection is Detroit though. I have a headache now. What was the question again ?

Yes, it did come out on Shout - and via the deal which saw a lot of Shout stuff issued here in th UK, on Jay-Boy in 71/72-ish.

The connection isn't Detroit - cos she moved from there to New York, ostensibly to run that end of the Motown operation. Andy Rix's sleeve notes on the first Horace's Shrine album give more info, but of course she hooked up with Eddie Singleton, and that's the link to Jet Set. Never looked at the B-side credits on Strings 'n Things before!

Hippo.

I have a headache now. What was the question again ?

Gene Dozier and Dale warren connections please?

Any other info on Keni Lewsis's DC Sounds label?

Thanks for information so far guys

Gene Dozier and Dale warren connections please?

Again quoting Mr. Rix, Dale Warren was Raynoma Gordy's nephew...

Hippo.

Again quoting Mr. Rix, Dale Warren was Raynoma Gordy's nephew...

Hippo.

yeh surely andy rix is the boy to speak to on this?

yeh surely andy rix is the boy to speak to on this?

Agreed - after all, he did a lot of research.