James Conwell ‎– Let It All Out LP. A few days ago someone asked about this record and told me that it had been Booted at some time ? If so Can anyone tell me how to tell the difference ?

This is my copy.

That looks like the original, that ridge on the label just in from the outer edge is more prominent on the bootleg. The bootleg is also made from heavier vinyl.

Yes I agree.....looks the same as mine👍

16 hours ago, Triode said:

Yes I agree.....looks the same as mine👍

The bootleg is Japanese

According to John Lias in 'Spinning Around: A History of the Soul LP' (the best book about soul music ever written?) Guinness was allegedly a tax shelter scam label that was not distributed so copies are rare and often found in bulk (they were shipped to other parts of the world to avoid US tax inspectors). James Conwell was formerly the lead singer of  The Exits and The Light Drivers and thereafter recorded as Jimmy Conwell and Richard Temple as well as a spell as lead singer of Smoked Sugar. Lias is favourable about the contents described as delightful and wonders why they bothered given the LP was not for distribution.  

Mention of Conwell gives the excuse to upload his 4J label  gem 'The Trouble With Girls Today'

 

5 hours ago, Firecrest said:

According to John Lias in 'Spinning Around: A History of the Soul LP' (the best book about soul music ever written?) Guinness was allegedly a tax shelter scam label that was not distributed so copies are rare and often found in bulk (they were shipped to other parts of the world to avoid US tax inspectors). James Conwell was formerly the lead singer of  The Exits and The Light Drivers and thereafter recorded as Jimmy Conwell and Richard Temple as well as a spell as lead singer of Smoked Sugar. Lias is favourable about the contents described as delightful and wonders why they bothered given the LP was not for distribution.  

Mention of Conwell gives the excuse to upload his 4J label  gem 'The Trouble With Girls Today'

They actually didn’t ship them anywhere and often left all copies in storage, they didn’t want to sell them.  That was the scam.  Often it was a sub label set up by its parent company, they also did their own distribution (allegedly) and deliberately run at a loss to avoid paying taxes on the money it actually did make....or something like that.  they only ended up abroad when record hounds would find the stock years later. 

33 minutes ago, Chalky said:

They actually didn’t ship them anywhere and often left all copies in storage, they didn’t want to sell them.  That was the scam.  Often it was a sub label set up by its parent company, they also did their own distribution (allegedly) and deliberately run at a loss to avoid paying taxes on the money it actually did make....or something like that.  they only ended up abroad when record hounds would find the stock years later. 

I believe that some of the artists did not even know the records had been manufactured and did not receive any royalties

18 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

I believe that some of the artists did not even know the records had been manufactured and did not receive any royalties

Sure I read somewhere they did, or some did.  But if they didn’t sell then there would be no royalties generated. 

Edited October 22, 20195 yr by Chalky

23 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Sure I read somewhere they did, or some did.  But if they didn’t sell then there would be no royalties generated. 

True, but it was very naughty to make them and not tell them 😀 and of course as it was a tax scam the companies made money from the US government and could have paid something to the artists (oh am I being moral ?)