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currently catching up on this thread have moved @Soulof post to this thread as better suited looking at recent posts ask all members to keep things factual and related to the actual subject - current bootleg trading thanks

site note - the posts above were split from the original topic in order to provide a suitable place to discuss current bootlegging separate from the soul pack sales dispute topic

all getting a bit messy and all over the place now so gonna split this thread shortly (again) leave this for discussion on the actual soul pack sales dispute and split related "current bootleg trading" discussion into its own now split as this thread is now mainly discussing a sales dispute between two people will close this thread in approx 24 hours this new thread can now be used for discussing further the current bootlegging trading discussion

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Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:41, Steve G said: Well well, and a third Magnetics sale now emerges. 3 down 27 to find. 26 - I sold mine earlier with a disclaimer that it was not an original, it was a reissue/pressing/bootleg/lookalike 1 Click Now For Ebay 24hr Listings! WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 314 270 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:41, Steve G said: Well well, and a third Magnetics sale now emerges. 3 down 27 to find. Surely not , they're not for sale ... 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:44, WoodButcher said: Surely not , they're not for sale ... Apparently giving them away is an absolute no-no so I thought I'd sell mine instead 4 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 6 hours ago Oh hang on...should I have got permission from someone on here first before selling my own copy, shit I forgot... 3 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:49, Pete S said: Oh hang on...should I have got permission from someone on here first before selling my own copy, shit I forgot... Don't get all sarcastic Pete, you've seen these records being sold and traded as originals now, despite what you were told. 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:51, Steve G said: Don't get all sarcastic Pete, you've seen these records being sold and traded as originals now, despite what you were told. Still only the one Magnetics as far as I know, the one we got refunded? 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:51, Steve G said: Don't get all sarcastic Pete, you've seen these records being sold and traded as originals now, despite what you were told. When have I ever been sarcastic? 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 6 hours ago (edited) On 25/01/2016 at 18:52, Pete S said: Still only the one Magnetics as far as I know, the one we got refunded? 3 Magnetics now, 8 Bill Bush's in Europe + 1 potential Bill Bush on here in December (buyer not come back yet)….so far! Like dogs that shit on the floor, they just can't help 'emselves Pete. Edited 6 hours ago by Steve G 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:55, Steve G said: 3 Magnetics now, 8 Bill Bush's in Europe + 1 potential Bill Bush on here in December (buyer not come back yet)….so far! Like dogs that shit on the floor, they just can't help 'emselves Pete. Where on earth is this information coming from, it cannot be true Steve. Well it can be true but only if these 8 Bill Bush's have come from the USA independently which means someone's involved who I haven't been told about or nobody here knows about. Yesterday it was 6 Greater Experience, now it's 8 Bill Bush, it's like the angler and his big fish story...where's the proof, who are the buyers, who are the sellers - otherwise I could just come here and say oh yes I've seen 14 copies of The Salvadors for sale... second point - so what if people are selling them, I'm going to sell mine, as lookalikes, one of each, I'm so upset about having been given them for nothing I thought I'd better sell them. 0 modernsoulsucks Imnotpayingthat! Source Team 1,523 3,098 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:55, Steve G said: 3 Magnetics now, 8 Bill Bush's in Europe + 1 potential Bill Bush on here in December (buyer not come back yet)….so far! Like dogs that shit on the floor, they just can't help 'emselves Pete. I'm sure I'm not the only one but any chance of details ? 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:09, modernsoulsucks said: I'm sure I'm not the only one but any chance of details ? The buyer of the 3rd Magnetics does not want any publicity, and I respect that. I was told this by a Top UK DJ, impeccable and not a Bullsitter. 0 maslar Semi known gem Members 704 182 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:55, Steve G said: 3 Magnetics now, 8 Bill Bush's in Europe + 1 potential Bill Bush on here in December (buyer not come back yet)….so far! Like dogs that shit on the floor, they just can't help 'emselves Pete. What a charming expression. Thankfully I've already eaten. 1 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:00, Pete S said: Where on earth is this information coming from, it cannot be true Steve. Well it can be true but only if these 8 Bill Bush's have come from the USA independently which means someone's involved who I haven't been told about or nobody here knows about. Yesterday it was 6 Greater Experience, now it's 8 Bill Bush, it's like the angler and his big fish story...where's the proof, who are the buyers, who are the sellers - otherwise I could just come here and say oh yes I've seen 14 copies of The Salvadors for sale... second point - so what if people are selling them, I'm going to sell mine, as lookalikes, one of each, I'm so upset about having been given them for nothing I thought I'd better sell them. I think the point is being sold as originals, not looky-likes. 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 6 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:11, Steve G said: The buyer of the 3rd Magnetics does not want any publicity, and I respect that. I was told this by a Top UK DJ, impeccable and not a Bullsitter. And the mysterious ever expanding Bill Bush? 0 modernsoulsucks Imnotpayingthat! Source Team 1,523 3,098 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:11, Steve G said: The buyer of the 3rd Magnetics does not want any publicity, and I respect that. I was told this by a Top UK DJ, impeccable and not a Bullsitter. Have these two other buyers received recompense yet ? 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:16, modernsoulsucks said: Have these two other buyers received recompense yet ? The first buyer, this one that was sold back in the summer apparently, was in Japan, it only came to light a couple of weeks back when Dave Flynn asked if I knew anything about the seller (I didn't) but between us we got the guy his money back. I don't know any other copies that have been sold apart from mine which I sold this afternoon as a lookalike. On 25/01/2016 at 19:12, Steve G said: I think the point is being sold as originals, not looky-likes. Still no proof. 0 FRANKIE CROCKER Getting spins again Members 756 1,033 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:46, Pete S said: Apparently giving them away is an absolute no-no so I thought I'd sell mine instead You could give them to Manny to keep on file for reference purposes. You could snap them in half and put a photo of them on here and earn lots of Likes. You could return them to the person you got them from and say 'thanks but no thanks'. You could even keep them and play them, but selling them is just about all you could be criticised for doing Pete. 2 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:25, FRANKIE CROCKER said: You could give them to Manny to keep on file for reference purposes. You could snap them in half and put a photo of them on here and earn lots of Likes. You could return them to the person you got them from and say 'thanks but no thanks'. You could even keep them and play them, but selling them is just about all you could be criticised for doing Pete. First one is already in progress. But looks like I'll have to live with the criticism then cos I'm selling mine apart from 4 or 5 of them. Snap them in half, that's just crazy, they look and sound great, why would I want to do that? Should we organise a giant bootleg burning bonfire and throw all our old 70's pressings into it? Why have you lot made this number one priority when there are literally hundreds of boots on ebay and you're not saying a dicky bird about them? 3 Soulfinger Semi known gem Members 436 385 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:29, Pete S said: Why have you lot made this number one priority when there are literally hundreds of boots on ebay and you're not saying a dicky bird about them? To be fair, there's one or two of us who think the whole drama is flippin' hilarious. 3 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:29, Pete S said: Why have you lot made this number one priority when there are literally hundreds of boots on ebay and you're not saying a dicky bird about them? The only reason is because we have found "the official version of events" has been proven to be a lie. And they were made to deceive, at best so a few rich kids could look like they had the real records when they are DJing in a dark room, at worst to drip feed out into the collector market. Or both. If these were carvers or on OOTP or something no one would bat an eyelid at what Ian and his mates get up to. I can understand why someone who has spent £2g + on a record or traded it for high value rarities doesn't want to go on social media and say so. Some people like to live their life in the quiet. Especially as others say "Oh they're easy to spot these pressings". I mean it would make them look like a bit of a mug wouldn't it. On 25/01/2016 at 19:16, modernsoulsucks said: Have these two other buyers received recompense yet ? Unknown at present. 1 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,032 4,796 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:29, Pete S said: First one is already in progress. But looks like I'll have to live with the criticism then cos I'm selling mine apart from 4 or 5 of them. Snap them in half, that's just crazy, they look and sound great, why would I want to do that? Should we organise a giant bootleg burning bonfire and throw all our old 70's pressings into it? Why have you lot made this number one priority when there are literally hundreds of boots on ebay and you're not saying a dicky bird about them? Thought you wanted to keep them together as a set yesterday Pete? Ha ha....Knew those crispy £50 notes would win you over..... Loveable rogues, the lot of ya! 1 maslar Semi known gem Members 704 182 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:38, Soulfinger said: To be fair, there's one or two of us who think the whole drama is flippin' hilarious. Is that Tim? Looks like Tim. Yes it's Tim *pause* That is definitely Tim. I think that's what's known as Pythonesque. 1 chalky ey up, thar knows what thar can do dunt yer Members 8,780 23,818 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:19, Pete S said: The first buyer, this one that was sold back in the summer apparently, was in Japan, it only came to light a couple of weeks back when Dave Flynn asked if I knew anything about the seller (I didn't) but between us we got the guy his money back. I don't know any other copies that have been sold apart from mine which I sold this afternoon as a lookalike. Still no proof. One has been moved on in trades o'er the border. Don't know the value of the trade but if it is who I think has it he believed it to be an original, a long time want too. 2 hashman Semi known gem Members 63 445 posts Posted 5 hours ago What's the sound quality like on the Magnetics 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 5 hours ago (edited) On 25/01/2016 at 19:49, chalky said: One has been moved on in trades o'er the border. Don't know the value of the trade but if it is who I think has it he believed it to be an original, a long time want too. Why the "personal use" story doesn't stack up is you could buy many of the ISSUED records for the sort of outlay that has been claimed to have been expended here. I mean why spend a grand on custom pressing to get two copies of Sam Williams or Willie Tee or Greater Experience? Edited 5 hours ago by Steve G 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:42, Mace said: Thought you wanted to keep them together as a set yesterday Pete? Ha ha....Knew those crispy £50 notes would win you over..... Loveable rogues, the lot of ya! Changed my mind due to the hypocrisy and self righteousness of people on Soul Source and Facebook On 25/01/2016 at 19:49, chalky said: One has been moved on in trades o'er the border. Don't know the value of the trade but if it is who I think has it he believed it to be an original, a long time want too. he was told it wasn't original and didn't want to send it back, he received it as a £100 value swap 0 markw Do you think that's wise? Members 644 1,475 posts Posted 5 hours ago Exactly. None of it added up as laid out. 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 5 hours ago (edited) On 25/01/2016 at 19:42, Mace said: Thought you wanted to keep them together as a set yesterday Pete? Ha ha....Knew those crispy £50 notes would win you over..... Loveable rogues, the lot of ya! and your shit doesn't stink either does it? Breaking news, dammit really sorry to tell you this but the Bill Bush's are real, apparently confirmed by a "top UK dealer" Edited 5 hours ago by Pete S 0 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,032 4,796 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 19:59, Pete S said: Changed my mind due to the hypocrisy and self righteousness of people on Soul Source and Facebook Plus you could always replace it with one from the other 199+ sets at any time.....oops, meant 29. Obviously time to dump them as snides now.... Dont be spending all that £38k profit on sweets and fizzy drinks you naughty boys!! 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:04, Mace said: Plus you could always replace it with one from the other 199+ sets at any time.....oops, meant 29. Obviously time to dump them as snides now.... Dont be spending all that £38k profit on sweets and fizzy drinks you naughty boys!! Ah diddums weren't you included, what a shame... 0 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,032 4,796 posts Posted 5 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:01, Pete S said: and your shit doesn't stink either does it? Breaking news, dammit really sorry to tell you this but the Bill Bush's are real, apparently confirmed by a "top UK dealer" My shit stinks mighty fine, I just don't polish my turds. 3 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 5 hours ago (edited) On 25/01/2016 at 19:59, Pete S said: Changed my mind due to the hypocrisy and self righteousness of people on Soul Source and Facebook Really sad that you've come out with this approach Pete. You sound very bitter and twisted. All people are trying to do is stop collectors from being caught with expensive snides and get to the bottom of what has gone on here. If people knew the full story, people would move on "another day at the office" etc., but instead its been lie and deceipt after lie and deceipt….and it is not over yet I don't think. I know you're mates with Ian, but you can only go so far before the mud starts sticking. Just lashing out at people does you no favours. Edited 5 hours ago by Steve G 2 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:12, Steve G said: Really sad that you've come out with this approach Pete. You sound very bitter and twisted. All people are trying to do is stop collectors from being caught with expensive snides and get to the bottom of what has gone on here. If people knew the full story, people would move on "another day at the office" etc., but instead its been lie and deceipt after lie and deceipt….and it is not over yet I don't think. I know you're mates with Ian, but you can only go so far before the mud starts sticking. No you are not Steve, you're just trying to make yourself look like some kind of soul avengers, you don't really care, you don't actually have any right to know anything about these records, they are nothing to do with you, or with me, what has made it your business? Why do you 'have to get to the bottom of what has gone on'? Why? Is it some kind of obsession? I offered to take every copy of these and sell them for what they were at lookalike prices but nobody was interested, why not get behind that idea? If I hadn't given up that list you'd still all be none the wiser about half a dozen titles. 0 rhino Tape swappers fav Members 164 533 posts Posted 4 hours ago bet John Manship is rubbing his hands more people by legit records from the him and them knowing they are paying top dollar for legit records. why dont people share the information on the bootlegs show pictures and the difference which would stop all this bolloxs . joys of our wonderful scene KEEP THE FAITH lol 1 guest Semi known gem Members 50 215 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 18:33, Kris Holmes said: would be super easy to press up the boots in the US & let a couple copies slip out in & around ARC, if I was behind all this I'd totally do that "must be OG because it was found at ARC, so compare the details & shed doubt on the legitimacy of the new pressings", absolutely not beyond reasonable doubt that the copy at ARC which looks dodge (rings on label) is from the same batch. Perfect muddying of the water move. Exactly what went through my mind Kris - 'seed' the record fair with a moody 45 - someone picks it up - big pats on backs - oh what a rare one that is - off to the UK for sale . Possibly . I was suspicious of the label rings straight away and even more so after reading about 'distressed' copies . 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:21, Pete S said: No you are not Steve, you're just trying to make yourself look like some kind of soul avengers, you don't really care, you don't actually have any right to know anything about these records, they are nothing to do with you, or with me, what has made it your business? Why do you 'have to get to the bottom of what has gone on'? Why? Is it some kind of obsession? I offered to take every copy of these and sell them for what they were at lookalike prices but nobody was interested, why not get behind that idea? If I hadn't given up that list you'd still all be none the wiser about half a dozen titles. This is just such cobblers Pete. Collectors will always want to know what has been pressed when it is close to an original. It is part of the knowledge thing and making sure you don't get mugged. Its a significant story in the current scheme of things. Plus of course there is a train crash element "Former Top DJ reduced to faking records to look good" etc. I can't deny that reading some of the posts that have gone up. Fantastic idea if you got all the copies, but it'll never happen as they are spread out all over. There are even copies in the town I live in and I didn't know anyone else here even liked soul until Xmas! 0 guest Semi known gem Members 50 215 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:21, Pete S said: No you are not Steve, you're just trying to make yourself look like some kind of soul avengers, you don't really care, you don't actually have any right to know anything about these records, they are nothing to do with you, or with me, what has made it your business? Why do you 'have to get to the bottom of what has gone on'? Why? Is it some kind of obsession? I offered to take every copy of these and sell them for what they were at lookalike prices but nobody was interested, why not get behind that idea? If I hadn't given up that list you'd still all be none the wiser about half a dozen titles. Collectors just want to gather that bit of information so that the next time they are offered or see certain 45's they can scan the memory bank and make a decision . Just like anything else in life - Rolex watch , designer clothing - infact you name it these days . You do the same as a dealer surely ? 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:29, Steve G said: This is just such cobblers Pete. Collectors will always want to know what has been pressed when it is close to an original. It is part of the knowledge thing and making sure you don't get mugged. Its a significant story in the current scheme of things. Plus of course there is a train crash element "Former Top DJ reduced to faking records to look good" etc. I can't deny that reading some of the posts that have gone up. Fantastic idea if you got all the copies, but it'll never happen as they are spread out all over. There are even copies in the town I live in and I didn't know anyone else here even liked soul until Xmas! But how can there be? How many people can have been given these records. I was told that I was the only 'outsider' person who had a full set of these. I can't remember now but did Niknak have the actual full set? If he didn't then I must still be the only one with all of them (minus Magnetics). I don't think anyone else apart from me and Niknak have Terry Johnson, Val Simpson and some of the others either. I think we are talking about Magnetics, John Wesley, Greater Experience and maybe Willie Tee that have got out. If people could report any definite sightings of particular titles then we'd know. On 25/01/2016 at 20:37, guest said: Collectors just want to gather that bit of information so that the next time they are offered or see certain 45's they can scan the memory bank and make a decision . Just like anything else in life - Rolex watch , designer clothing - infact you name it these days . You do the same as a dealer surely ? But if you ask, I'll tell you anything about any or all of them. I don't want anyone buying them as originals, it's the last thing I want. 1 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,338 9,745 posts Posted 4 hours ago (edited) On 25/01/2016 at 20:39, Pete S said: But how can there be? How many people can have been given these records. I was told that I was the only 'outsider' person who had a full set of these. I can't remember now but did Niknak have the actual full set? If he didn't then I must still be the only one with all of them (minus Magnetics). I don't think anyone else apart from me and Niknak have Terry Johnson, Val Simpson and some of the others either. I think we are talking about Magnetics, John Wesley, Greater Experience and maybe Willie Tee that have got out. If people could report any definite sightings of particular titles then we'd know. + possibly (as it is has been both mentioned by Marc and one sold in December to Japan) - Bill Bush. Edited 4 hours ago by Steve G 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:28, guest said: Exactly what went through my mind Kris - 'seed' the record fair with a moody 45 - someone picks it up - big pats on backs - oh what a rare one that is - off to the UK for sale . Possibly . I was suspicious of the label rings straight away and even more so after reading about 'distressed' copies . But what if it never got picked up - the plan is dead in the water 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:42, Steve G said: + possibly (as it is has been both mentioned by Marc and one sold in December to Japan) - Bill Bush. I can only tell you what I've been told but the Bill Bush all came from the same source and were all real. I could tell you if I saw one. They are about - Ozz told me has was offered one last week at £1200. 0 guest Semi known gem Members 50 215 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:42, Pete S said: But what if it never got picked up - the plan is dead in the water 'Hello 'X' - don't time fly since the last ARC - theres a box of new soul 45's over here - take a look - have you ever heard of this one ? - strange name for a soul group '. 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:51, guest said: 'Hello 'X' - don't time fly since the last ARC - theres a box of new soul 45's over here - take a look - have you ever heard of this one ? - strange name for a soul group '. What's ARC? Ah Austin record Convention ok On 25/01/2016 at 20:51, guest said: 'Hello 'X' - don't time fly since the last ARC - theres a box of new soul 45's over here - take a look - have you ever heard of this one ? - strange name for a soul group '. The first I heard of this other record was when you posted it, it's not part of this set. But if the one copy in the good quality photo isn't a lookalike, I'll eat my original copy of The Salvadors 0 okehmelc1 Second Issue Members 13 45 posts Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Hi, just a comment from me on Ian Levine's soul packs. I haven't read the comments yet - far too many for me. I bought 300 off him (the first lot he sold). I paid my money and waited a couple of weeks and they arrived. I was looking forward to going through them, to playing ones I didn't know, to have a great day. Guy knocked on the door with the big box of vinyl, magic! I took it upstairs, put it on the bed and opened it ... to find a load of damp, mouldy smelling records. Undeterred, I pulled them out and flipped through them quickly, ever hopeful. I kid you not - after going through them all I found 5 Ric Tic (all Edwin Starr, all red Ric Tic), as for the other 295 I didn't have a clue. Now this could have been a good thing, normally I don't mind listening to them all so I started playing them (both sides). After the first 50 I went to the pub, then came back and started again. By this time I was cursing, pulling out the scratched and warped ones. I would have looked on You Tube but not many were on there so back on the decks I went. After listening to what I could I put them all away, put the 5 Ric Tic in a sales box and put the rest in the shed. I have never heard such a pile of shite in my life. I didn't bother to say anything, had been ripped off badly nothing else to say! I like all types of music, its a passion for me but this was a nightmare to my ears. I left them there and forgot about them. A friend of mine, Yogi Haughton, said he knew a woman who buys and sells on markets and would pay me so much a record so I could get some money back. I talked to her and she said she would have them, but I thought about it long and hard and could not sell them to her. I could just imagine some poor punter paying £1 for one, having bought it for the label, taking it home and getting his/her ears done in. So I put them back in the shed, all 295 .. until a skip arrived to clear some rubbish from the garden, then off to the shed I went and got my mouldy box of vinyl and in the skip they went. I treasure all my vinyl but this was utter shite! I remember Ian saying it would take a week to sort them out when I bought them because he'd pick a nice selection for me. I'm glad I haven't got his ears! My opinion of the man doesn't really matter. He knows a lot of people and knows the score for sure and that's what makes him what he is .... <edited by site>. If I bump into him sometime I will tell him to his face but can't be arsed otherwise ... rant over! Edited 4 hours ago by okehmelc1 2 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,032 4,796 posts Posted 4 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 20:52, Pete S said: What's ARC? Ah Austin record Convention ok The first I heard of this other record was when you posted it, it's not part of this set. But if the one copy in the good quality photo isn't a lookalike, I'll eat my original copy of The Salvadors Austin Show was end of May, which means this preceeded the Summer dates discussed for this other lot. Was this was the first one to 'test the water' on whether it would be accepted as a proper copy before the alleged £20K (cough) was invested......... It's a long time since last summer.....get ready for more of the same folks. 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 4 hours ago (edited) On 25/01/2016 at 20:51, guest said: 'Hello 'X' - don't time fly since the last ARC - theres a box of new soul 45's over here - take a look - have you ever heard of this one ? - strange name for a soul group '. I bought a Soul Pack of 500 records from Ian Levine, I eagerly anticipated their arrival but was absolutely gutted to find that, on opening the box, he had not sent me my 500 records but had in fact sent me a washing machine. Bastard. Edited 4 hours ago by Pete S 0 simon t (NULL) Members 247 3,934 posts Posted 3 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 21:09, Pete S said: The first I heard of this other record was when you posted it, it's not part of this set. But if the one copy in the good quality photo isn't a lookalike, I'll eat my original copy of The Salvadors sorry, don't know why it posted again I bought a Soul Pack of 500 records from Ian Levine, I eagerly anticipated their arrival but was absolutely gutted to find that, on opening the box, he had not sent me my 500 records but had in fact sent me a washing machine. Bastard. I thought it was a small TV, a dressing gown & a pair of slippers 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 3 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 21:13, simon t said: I thought it was a small TV, a dressing gown & a pair of slippers You've got a good memory you have 0 pow wow mik Getting spins again Members 888 1,091 posts Posted 3 hours ago (edited) On 25/01/2016 at 20:42, Pete S said: But what if it never got picked up - the plan is dead in the water jesus Pete - it's not just planted in the record fair in a random spot and then bought off a dealer who didn't even own it! - they pretend to find it there., but take it all the way there to add an authentic back-story... never been a master criminal I take it! Edited 3 hours ago by pow wow mik 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,834 36,461 posts Posted 3 hours ago On 25/01/2016 at 21:25, pow wow mik said: jesus Pete - it's not just put in the record fair in a random spot and then bought off a dealer who didn't even own it! - they pretend to find it there... never been a master criminal I take it! I got done for possessing an offensive weapon and criminal damage once, and busted a few times, but nothing since 1981

can we drop the one liners, and humorous comments/suggestions please it just makes things that bit harder to moderate and can get in the way of discussion thanks on lost posts... looking at adding the some of the missing posts later tonite as there are two main subjects being discussed here once posts added will then look at splitting this thread into two for ease of discussion and moderation again ask that if wish to comment on my words aboveor any other moderation then please use the thread in the feedback forum eg this thread thanks

please read the post above as it explains why posts are missing from saturday onwards ok for info the thread was closed on tuesday nite while the site looked at a request from Ian levine for the site to close the thread some posts were edited/removed as per terms of use and the thread was re-opened this morning Ian Levine was invited to post a reply to members posts in this thread via email which he did and is re-posted below Posted via email by Ian Levine FOR SOUL SOURCE - either post this in full or don’t post it at all - please do not censor it. My involvement in these lookalikes was for a bit of private pleasure. They existed for a year now with nobody batting an eyelid until I took Nicholas Jeremy Clarke at his sworn word that he would keep them secret. Seven of these were never even on a single before. Only thirty copies of each were made and privately contained until this witchhunt burst forth. I may have been involved, but I myself did not press them, for a start I’m in a wheelchair. And all my friends are scared to defend me in case they get dragged in and accused, like Pete Smith has been. Two of your members, Steve Guarnori who is the self appointed leader of the soul police, and Kevin Johansen, are pursuing vicious malicious personal vendettas against me, like rottweilers with a fillet steak. I am still recovering from my stroke. My stress levels are through the roof, having been called, in this thread “a carbuncle on the soul scene”. Those pursuing me through your site, will delight in glory if you announce my sudden death in your Soul News. Well if ghosts do exist, I VOW to come back and haunt Guarnori. IT WAS ALL A HARMLESS BIT OF FUN, FFS, no different to cutting a few carvers. In the meantime Alan Godfrey and Rob Burnette bootleg every record in sight, press 2000 at a time, sell them all over eBay for £7.99 and no-one says a word. They did Bill Bush and Bernie Williams and Al Williams and hundreds more, sometimes five new ones in a week. Alan Hamilton buys cheap boots, stick beautiful looking labels on them, and gets over £100 for them on eBay. The ones you all accuse me have never once appeared on eBay apart from the one Magnetics which I knew nothing about, and were given to people sworn to secrecy and people I trusted. My biggest mistake was to trust Nicholas Clarke who is really getting his jollies from all this. Funny how he never posted on Soul Source before starting the thread about me. Have a little compassion people. It was done privately, on records that I myself discovered the first copies - Salvadors, Sam Williams, Billy Woods (at least the first copy from Anderson). As usual any past good I ever did is forgotten in an attempt to kick me when I’m down. And why have none of you defended my soul packs. Despite the crap that Guarnori spouted, they have been full of decent records, I even made a podcast of them to prove this, and ninety five percent of my customers have praised them and raved over them, at a quid a record. I only break even on them. But now this thread has ensured I can never sell another one in my life. I’m very sick and sad at all this. A harmless bit of fun gave my enemies the chance to put the boot in and ruin me forever, and my friends are too scared to say a word in my defence for fear of being smeared. Only Pete Smith alone, and only him, has been the voice of reason. You’ve taken away all my love of the music, just like in 2003. I pray I don’t give in and sell up, because you’re all pushing me to the edge of a cliff. Some of my podcasts have had 7000 listeners, so up till now, some people really did love, support, and appreciate me. Now Nicholas Clarke single handedly ruined all that for me. I hope he can sleep at night after breaking all his promises both verbal and in writing.

davidwapples Getting spins again Members 200 1,034 posts Posted 10 minutes ago I bought a pack of 500 and was happy with them. A few needed a clean or were only vg but ian put several extra in my pack. I got my moneys worth but with all packs i have bought from different people there was stuff that I didnt want or able to do anything with but i felt at a pound a record i only needed a percentage that i liked ti cover my cost. Yes there were lots of stuff that would not appeal to a northern fan but its a general soul pack not just northern 0 Click Now For Ebay 24hr Listings! Kegsy Getting spins again Members 2,669 1,535 posts Posted 10 minutes ago I think he means "skimmed" to remove scratches. 0 garethx In-Demander Members 795 3,191 posts Posted 9 minutes ago A scratched record is polished with a compound used for metal polishing. Superficially looks better but the abrasive removes a lot of the 'good' grooves as well as the bad. 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,839 36,468 posts Posted 8 minutes ago When people have asked me politely I've given them information about run off details etc. 1 Kegsy Getting spins again Members 2,669 1,535 posts Posted 5 minutes ago I'm not saying you didn't and fair play to you, but how can others stick up for Ian if they have no idea whats gone on, that's all I'm saying. 0 swaggy Semi known gem Members 21 142 posts Posted 2 minutes ago (edited) Lets put my oar in to this debate about Ian's soul packs. I paid Ian £1000 for 1000 records a month later on a cheap rail ticket I went to Ian's house at his request to pick the 1000 up. I posted pictures on f/b showing what 1000 looked like in a suitcase strapped to a trolly. He sat me at a table and for over 3 hours tried to show me each record individually if I didn't want it he replaced it until I ran out of time, I got over 150 Motown inc W/D's, 100 Atlantic, 75 Stax, 75 Chess /Checker / Cadet, 40 Ric Tic / Golden World, The rest were a complete mixture of 60's inc Blues, Gospel, Deep, Northern, RnB, 70's inc Stang, All Platinum, Dakar, Brunswick, Hi, Artists Otis Clay, Tyrone Davis, Bobby Womack, Al Green, Sylvia, Moments, Gladys Knight, Joe Simon, Disco like Ralph McDonald, Dexter Wansell, Natalie Cole, Wardell Piper, John Davis Orch, and 80,s soul inc Alexander O'Neil, Gladys Knight again, Aretha Franklin, etc. There were unknown 60's 70's and Crossover some rare items like XYZ & Little Charles & Sidewinders. I am satisfied. £1 each remember What I would suggest if your parting with a £1000 make arrangements to go see him, Ian's an amiable chap. Edited 1 minute ago by swaggy spelling mistake 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,839 36,468 posts Posted 2 minutes ago I also posted the original list. That did me a lot of good. People probably stick up for Ian because they can't quite believe some of the posters on here who come across as crazed lunatics. 1

Marc Forrest 458 Floor Filler Members 458 6,068 posts Posted 2 hours ago The story that we were going to be sold once the whole smelly fish was on the table was Its a run of a handful of titles that were done in a small run by someone who only gave them away to their friends under the consignment of never to sell on, pass on etc. The further we "investigate" or say people add their knowledge and experience with these titles we see a) Ian Levine must have multiple copies of some if not of each title b) he included them in soul packs already (terry johnson for instance) c) gave them in bigger numbers also as compensation instead of refund for unsatisfied buyer of his soul packs (why would you do that as a intelligent person ? Surely you would have to take into consideration that the "happy" receiver would talk about what he found in his pack or got as compensation ?!) d) friends of his (Ian Levine that is) claimed in public to 1. have found this and that rare record at car boots etc 2. have sold / tried to sell the odd record her and maybe there off as originals - b and c not only contradict the myth of "..they were only given away not to be sold , passed on" further more to me it indicates that Ian has quantity in them. So if the birth myth of this whole scenario still stands ("they were done by a someone only to be given to selected friends") we all know who the man behind the production is... the pressing plant facts only just add to this. Whoever thinks and belives you can get 10 copies on a title pressed needs to see a doctor. - b,c and d contradict the other surrounding story.."they will never be available for the open market, they will stay within the collections of the "choosen few". - a clrealy shows who the source is or say at least is very close to the source.. Its all open like a book really now and at least to me the only question is who and what that US connection is if ever there was and is one. Maybe indeed Mr. Soussan ? Who knows. More intesting is the question what influx on the Rare Soul scene it will have ? At least it will have damaged the records in question, put them off playlists of most I would guess, would make it more complicate to sell them in the future (proof of provenance, scans, etc). As always "cui bono": the whole thing makes only sense if the originator wanted to proove once again he can fool the scene (as already mentioned above) and indeed wanted to cause chaos and damage to the collectors and Northern scene in general. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 2 hours ago One quick question ... you say that you still think it's real and are happy to compare it to a real one , and then say that you only play Originals ... I was lead to believe that you do have an Original seeing as how you played it out at least twice the back end of last year ... once in fact in the same set as the Sam Williams that you miraculously found at your local carboot sale ... the one you picked up for 75p after knocking her down from £1.00 ... ! And I also see that you had a copy of the Magnetics way back in March 2013 ... to Wiggyflat i have a number of the Magnetics got one 1986/1998/2013 Sam Williams not sure about this with all the boots turn so this will be taken off my playlist 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 1 hour ago ok thanks Pete 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marc Forrest 458 Floor Filler Members 458 6,068 posts Posted 1 hour ago If Sam is vinyl its a boot 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 1 hour ago yes i found two copy it the States from the same seller and yes did sell one to Ian, Has far has known only two more have be found one my a dealer in New York who pass away last year and another copy was found in the States my an uk Seller thing there is a link on Soul-Source so they are out there if you dig 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steve G 5,281 Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,281 9,700 posts Posted 1 hour ago (edited) Another dodgy Magnetics has now appeared. Ho hum! December. Edited 1 hour ago by Steve G 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WoodButcher 304 Semi known gem Members 304 252 posts Posted 1 hour ago Wrong picture ... ? It's the same picture YOU posted on FB ... ! And my question was , if you have a real Magnetics , or three , to use as references why would you still think that the boot is real and be happy to compare it to someone else's ... ? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 1 hour ago Thanks Mark it is Vinyl so i will remove from my sets If any one wants to buy it offers over £1.00 please 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fishcake 9 Semi known gem Members 9 116 posts Posted 1 hour ago Could you post some scans of the records in question Geoff,maybe we could a bit of clarity on the matter ? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 1 hour ago yes i have a copy of Larry Clinton are you saying this is a boot along with all my playlist you where so kind to put up, if you are saying they are boots them a lot of record Dealers on here will not be happy has i bought most of the records on the play list from them so if you could clear this up please thanks Geoff 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wiggyflat 603 Getting spins again Members 603 1,690 posts Posted 1 hour ago (edited) But on your facebook Geoff you say about the Don Gardner Dont think geoff would be playing a re-issue, would ya geoff? 1 · 10 December 2015 at 20:37 Geoff Swallow NO way Mate let them, thing what they want only sorry i will not have it for 19th as its coming for the states don,t want them to send in the xmas post so i will not get till the new year + its only vg- but play ok but great to have in my play box 10 December 2015 at 21:42 · Edited Geoff Swallow also you have see my record box there where no boots or re-issue You also have a rare Ward Burton as well. Edited 1 hour ago by wiggyflat 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 1 hour ago has i said the copy i sold on e bay was the real deal but i have all ways said if you are not happy with the records i sell i will take them back and give them the full amount Back so anyone who has bought a record off me over the last tens i am happy to give you a full refund if you are not happy will your record. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 1 hour ago 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WoodButcher 304 Semi known gem Members 304 252 posts Posted 1 hour ago So as far as you're concerned the Magnetics was a real one ... despite all the evidence proving it was a distressed bootleg ... ? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wiggyflat 603 Getting spins again Members 603 1,690 posts Posted 1 hour ago And a distressed Salvadors. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 1 hour ago 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steve G 5,281 Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,281 9,700 posts Posted 1 hour ago (edited) Marc I just wish these guys were honest about it, then everyone would move on. Bad day at the office etc. another page in NS history. Instead no, the story has more twists and turns in it than the A52 (a very twisty road). Everytime something gets revealed, a new answer emerges. Most people aren't as daft as some people think and can join the dots as to what has gone on. But instead the excuses, "not me Guv's" and tales continue... Edited 1 hour ago by Steve G 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 1 hour ago Close it for me Better thing to do with my time 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites guest 44 Semi known gem Members 44 203 posts Posted 1 hour ago 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tsu tomatoes 226 Getting spins again Members 226 1,465 posts Posted 52 minutes ago Do you know what happened to the other one you found? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jason S 162 Running and records Members 162 2,115 posts Posted 50 minutes ago Arggh it's 'think' not 'thing'! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pow wow mik 840 Getting spins again Members 840 1,081 posts Posted 46 minutes ago so the Capree you played at pow wow wasn't one of these new boots then Geoff was it? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites solidsoul 451 Tape swappers fav Members 451 984 posts Posted 44 minutes ago (edited) Look's like any publicity is good publicity, as everyone's talking about that man again! Edited 30 minutes ago by solidsoul 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites geoffsoul2 80 Second Issue Members 80 95 posts Posted 39 minutes ago i did not say i at found another one i have only found two, a well know uk dealer found it when he was in the States last year no it was not a boot it was the real think mate 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wiggyflat 603 Getting spins again Members 603 1,690 posts Posted 23 minutes ago So Sam Williams from a boot fair for 75p knocked down from a pound and the Magnetics. Where did that come from? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WoodButcher 304 Semi known gem Members 304 252 posts Posted 15 minutes ago Another killer question ... The guy's being as slippery as two eels in a bucket of snot so don't expect a straight answer any time soon ... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tsu tomatoes 226 Getting spins again Members 226 1,465 posts Posted 11 minutes ago Yes. Levine had one of yours, but what about the other? Do you still have that copy? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites briktf 11 Semi known gem Members 11 181 posts Posted 9 minutes ago Why be connected / involved with these boots if you have the real deal in your Playbox?? Got to ruin your reputation as a dj surely!!! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites

Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 22 hours ago What's that got to do with the sale of a soul pack to someone? 0 Click Now For Ebay 24hr Listings! niknak Second Issue Members 30 51 posts Posted 22 hours ago I got offered replacements after a mentioned trading standards. He asked for these boots back, & i told him i'm confiscating them. At this point, money or another offer cannot be excepted, otherwise i would be conspiracy to the whole thing. Even though i caught him out, he was still trying to convince me of some of the boots authenticity. 1 niknak Second Issue Members 30 51 posts Posted 22 hours ago after i made a comment, he did say 'if they are, they are the best ......" But, he must have known then they were not real , because it's been astablished these records were given out with the recipient knowing full well they were boots, just as Pete s knew they were boots & not "if they are, they are the best i've ever seen boots. so what he is stating is this, he thought they were real with some small possibility they were boots. he told me that he got them from a chap in the u.s. who had found the mother load, & was giving out a few to friends with conditions not to say a word or sell, as not to flood the market. when i pulled him up on them, he changed his story of how he came about them. I too have this on message. 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 21 hours ago This is the nub of the problem. I happen to quite like Ian, but he has now seemingly blocked me too. The BEST and only thing he or his mate(s) in this can really do is be truthful and stop all the BS. The more BS there is, the more stories and versions of events, the worse it gets. I too got a different version of what happened, which Ian asked me not to publish and I will honour that request. The only consistent part is the 30 copies, but then I wasn't told about 20 titles either. Save to say it was all his mate who did 'em and he's has been wrongly dragged in for giving away free records on the basis that it was a secret. Anyway I won't say anymore about what he told me because he asked me not to. So lets have the full story and then we can all move on. Otherwise this will just run and run. 0 harrogatesoul Getting spins again Members 128 1,545 posts Posted 21 hours ago I would have thought someone finding a 'motherlode' of rare soul 45s would have the grapevine going crazy. Rumours of big finds whether in bulk titles or single copies don't stay a secret very long these days do they? Is there even anywhere in the states that hasn't been untouched or still kept a 'secret' ??? I wouldn't think so but this is a crazy world we decide to live in. 0 niknak Second Issue Members 30 51 posts Posted 21 hours ago (edited) so come on then Pete S, how do you explain Ian telling me these were real (with a cluase) & you say, everybody who got these knew what they were? Edited 21 hours ago by niknak 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 21 hours ago How am I supposed to explain what Ian says, I'm not controlling his speech from a secret lair in the industrial Black Country! 1 niknak Second Issue Members 30 51 posts Posted 21 hours ago no, but i think it proves the point, he knew what he had 0 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 21 hours ago So who is the mysterious "Herts of Soul" that posted the first image on this thread of the Magnetics boot , just asking because there is quite clearly a Willie Tee on Gatur underneath it , a Greater Experience under that and a Jeanie Tracey below that ... ! 5 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 21 hours ago Good point. 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 21 hours ago Interesting, note the songwriter. I wonder if those involved in this even bothered to spare a thought for Clarence Reid and his terminal cancer and recent troubles (see separate thread). Couldn't even afford a burial. You can bet they didn't, because it is all about them and their egos and their own little world. At least Numero tried to do something to help by issuing the record legally. Oh yeah, I forgot "we'll never see a copy of this (bootleg) for sale" - silly me. 5 pomonkey Tape swappers fav Members 142 752 posts Posted 21 hours ago Anyone reading this on a PC try clicking on that Magnetics photo and see if all the properties detail is still attached, could be fun. 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 21 hours ago Never liked this emotional blackmail type of post when an old soul singer dies and they can't afford a headstone scenario, you'd think after 60 years in the business, making records and touring, they'd have saved enough money for a decent burial, but nope, it's someone in the UK's fault 4 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 21 hours ago Going by his ebay names used I'd take a punt on it being a Paul Hurst , on FB and in the Rare Soul Sales and Valuations groups ... 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 21 hours ago (edited) No mystery here, he is Wayne's mate who originally asked me to look at the Rita Graham before Xmas. I did this in a pub. He also showed me Magnetics, W.Tee on Gatur, JWR on Melic, and Greater Experience. He didn't show me any others. He told me he was given them in or along with a soul pack and asked me if any of them were worth anything. I told him no, and as people on SS were asking about Rita Graham (the usual "we've discovered a new holy grail" salivating / creaming of pants), I posted up to say that Rita Graham was fake and watch out because the other 4 titles are about and looked well moody. I didn't name anyone at that point although I knew where they came from because Wayne's mate told me where he got them. Edited 21 hours ago by Steve G 1 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 21 hours ago "In or along with a soul pack" ... those seven words speak volumes ... 0 niknak Second Issue Members 30 51 posts Posted 21 hours ago I think we can rest our case 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 21 hours ago I only say that because I can't remember his exact words, As uncharted bootlegs I was more fascinated by the records and who they came from to be honest rather than whether they were or weren't in a soul pack. A soul pack was mentioned but whether these were in it or a "compensation bundle" I don't know. The Rita Graham even looked quite good. 0 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 21 hours ago iPhone6 plus , shot 23/10/15 at 17:26 , location somewhere in South London , Tulse Hill ish ... 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 21 hours ago Wow, all I could see was dimensions! 0 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 21 hours ago iPhone6 plus , shot 23/10/15 at 17:26 , location somewhere in South London , Tulse Hill ish ... 0 modernsoulsucks Imnotpayingthat! Source Team 1,522 3,096 posts Posted 21 hours ago Has anyone established how long these boots have been around ? 0 pomonkey Tape swappers fav Members 142 752 posts Posted 21 hours ago You can't even make fun of this it's so beyond help. 4 Sebastian Massive everywhere Members 432 5,416 posts Posted 20 hours ago (edited) Which O'Kaysions tune is it by the way? "Little Miss Flirt"? Edited 20 hours ago by Sebastian 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 20 hours ago So you haven't got a pension plan then? 0 niknak Second Issue Members 30 51 posts Posted 20 hours ago just to add. I told him they were lookalikes, he said they were not, he had a friend come round to compare & they both thought they were real. he only asked me to return them after the mentioned trading standards, at which, his stance on them being real, started to slip somewhat. I told him i would not tell anybody due to his illness. He then offered me 300 60's records. i did refuse, but i'm sure how he could tell i was laughing, as i was typing my reply? more like furious. So they cost him £50 each. that's a different story to the one he told me. The first story he told me was. i got them from a friend/dealer as a gift.(as i have already said) his story changed to "I saw them & thought they looks great, so i got some more. remember mind, he's telling me this as he is defending their authenticity. after all that has been said on here. the findings of this thread etc. It's up to people to conclude for them selfs, what has happened, & what is happening 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 20 hours ago And then what? At the end of the day, what has been the point of this 8 page discussion? 0 niknak Second Issue Members 30 51 posts Posted 20 hours ago I don't mean to be rude, but if i have to tell you that, then there is no point in explaining it to you 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 20 hours ago That's alright, I'm used to people being rude :-) I know it was about you being unhappy with your soul pack but it hasn't half meandered away from that 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 20 hours ago Well at least we're a lot more wiser about these 20 titles too Pete, and their UK source. And the fact that they have been sold on more than one occasion as "originals". call it greed, call it betrayal of trust, whatever, we've found out quite a bit in these 8 pages. 2 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 20 hours ago So who wants to buy some? I'll get me coat 4 Peter Richer Semi known gem Members 93 301 posts Posted 20 hours ago (edited) So is anyone really suggesting Ian Levine doesn't know what he is doing with these counterfeits? Come off it. If nothing else, he, with all his years experience, and after 40 years of the top dealers searching, would know a pukka Billy Woods (a dozen or so, at most, copies found) from a knock-off ... and be more than highly suspicious of a sudden 30-count 'find'. If he didn't want health-threatening stress from all this current malarky he shouldn't have brought it on himself. I am prepared to believe he does have bitterness and a vendetta against northern soul collectors, and many of those involved in the scene with a high profile. And why can he not defend himself on here? ... Oh yes, he was banned! This is one of his rants, from Facebook: site note: content removed due to personal nature of abuse Site edit accepted, but this old thread is still interesting/illuminating: Mike ... hope this one's OK, it is still here for all to see?! Cheers, Peter Edited 19 hours ago by Peter Richer 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 19 hours ago This from Marc forrest: I heard about one dealer now who sold on 8 (eight!) copies of one title at 600GBP each! Before u ask, I wont tell which title and which seller, may he find the dignity to come up and admit himself. …...is anyone apart from Pete going to be surprised by this? 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 19 hours ago (edited) It's a lie - how could he have got any copies? Especially 8 of one title. How did he find 8 buyers and where did he sell them? Edited 19 hours ago by Pete S 0 wiggyflat Getting spins again Members 606 1,698 posts Posted 19 hours ago (edited) For the benefit of people who never knew about Soussan here is an interview He had close links to the Soul Town back catalogue and loved playing synthesiser which is why myself and Pete S think that When We Are Alone Tonight is dubious Edited 19 hours ago by wiggyflat 0 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,023 4,788 posts Posted 19 hours ago (edited) Was these 8 copies the Bill Bush ? Seems to have been a few of them around lately, but with it also being booted on a common lookalike I presumed it was just folk getting shut of originals because of that boot? Edited 19 hours ago by Mace 0 modernsoulsucks Imnotpayingthat! Source Team 1,522 3,096 posts Posted 19 hours ago I'm surprised you're posting an unsubstantiated statement, Steve. If Marc has any kind of proof this is true then let's hear it. Whole thing is a can of worms and best to stick to comment backed up by facts. 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 19 hours ago (edited) I don't think we need to find the mysterious Simon Soussan. He made have made the records. The people responsible for selling them have been found out. The only part missing is what plant did em. Edited 16 hours ago by Steve G 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 19 hours ago Marc has posted this Rod and he is on here so I guess he can decide if he wants to confirm whether it is true or not. 0 Mal C Mal C Members 1,201 3,738 posts Posted 19 hours ago I really dont care about this discussion in terms of who, how, why, .... buy If anybody has a full set Id be interested in one or two of the 45's... you need not sign your real name if you find yourselves embroiled in a bit of cloak and dagger.. 0 Steve Plumb Future Classic Members 370 4,351 posts Posted 19 hours ago Spent all Sunday reading this fooking thread LOL One thing that maybe hasn't been mentioned or at least only touched on...............the thought that only 30 off of each title has been made, seems to be given more credence as the thread goes on Bollocks (imho) I bet there is between 200-300 of each of these titles sat in the home of the person who made them as we speak? Only my opinion of course Steve 7 chalky ey up, thar knows what thar can do dunt yer Members 8,774 23,810 posts Posted 19 hours ago I think it is bollocks myself Steve despite the protestation of some. The cost from what i can see at a few plants is for a minimum run of 200/250. Pete said that a plant pressed 30 at a higher price but why would you have less done for more when you could bin 170 and get the 30 cheaper, doesn't make sense to me and if it is Soussan who is behind them as is being claimed then I doubt he would do just a limited amount for private use. 1 Eddie Hubbard It's not how rare , it's how good they sound... .. Members 510 2,842 posts Posted 19 hours ago hmm ,Boot JPEG ...someone knew exactly what they were 1 shinehead Tape swappers fav Members 918 796 posts Posted 19 hours ago The one thing that strikes me about this thread is that these bootlegs seem to have some sort of aura about them because of their supposedly lack of numbers and the secret of keeping the records to themselves and in the coming months I can see these going for good prices as boots in their own rights. 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 19 hours ago 0 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 19 hours ago No , that's the title I gave it when I downloaded it in order to tweak the colour for a more realistic comparison in the Magnetics thread ... 1 chalky ey up, thar knows what thar can do dunt yer Members 8,774 23,810 posts Posted 19 hours ago There is a good price now, two Magnetics have been sold or traded. One refunded and the other came to light today, done as a trade. Others may have been traded without us knowing or those in the loop knowing. The Rita Graham has been around sometime now with one originally turning up in the lot Lars mate got so who knows what has been traded. 1 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 19 hours ago To be honest I don't think Soussan is behind this. Two or more UK people are responsible, and have put a load of oil in their tank to create a load of thick smoke to try and cover their tracks. 1 markw Do you think that's wise? Members 643 1,474 posts Posted 19 hours ago No accounting for taste. Malcolm Collins - I thought you were better than this............... 3 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 18 hours ago I don't understand that comment. What's wrong with wanting to have a really nice lookalike record? I've got two boxes of "my own" records, there are about 475 records in them, I'd say 85% are bootlegs, lookalikes, carvers etc. So what? This makes me a bad person does it, because they aren't half a million pounds worth of originals?

Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 16 hours ago 5 Click Now For Ebay 24hr Listings! WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 16 hours ago Wow the Time Tunnel ... I'd forgotten all about that .... All available to watch online too ... 0 wiggyflat Getting spins again Members 606 1,698 posts Posted 16 hours ago The funny thing is that Geoff probably only got gigs because of his "willy wavers" and his unimaginative set.Billy Hawks has been around for donkeys years.It's from the mid 80s mod/acid jazz scenes.I wonder if this will prompt a rise in covering up records to stop the bootleggers. 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 15 hours ago In the absence of any clarification from Ian himself, unless I am mistaken it probably goes something like this. Many now saying Soussan presses 30 + copies of the records. Pressing plant as yet unknown. At least two people, one of which is Ian, probably pay for them and they are shared out. Someone as yet unknown tries to sell them to a UK dealer, but he sees them as boots and declines, tipping off a second UK dealer. Two Magnetics slip out at originals. One is sold in September, one is traded for rare vinyl in December. Levine is pissed off that they've been sold / traded as originals. 8 copies of something (possibly Bill Bush) end up with a European dealer who sells them. Unknown who sold them to the dealer or who bought them yet. Ian trusts people and gives them free copies in conjunction with soul packs on the basis they keep it secret. Lars sees a Rita Graham in Austria, One on the list Sam Williams "found" at a boot fair in Bolton for 75p. Wayne's mate asks me to take a look at Rita Graham, and 4 other dodgy ones identified. Other guys go on FB and ask "what is this worth" regarding moody Greater Experience. Someone complains about one of Ian's soul packs. List of 20 booted records now emerges. Anything else we need to know or is that it? 3 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 15 hours ago I'd love to know more about this and who the dealers are "Someone as yet unknown tries to sell them to a UK dealer, but he sees them as boots and declines, tipping off a second UK dealer". 0 pow wow mik Getting spins again Members 873 1,087 posts Posted 15 hours ago Geoff has some interesting records, unique to him, not just biggies, at least with the more r&b end stuff he does. He's also sold lots of great originals and got plenty more, so god knows why he'd get involved with all this. Sadly, I simply cannot believe that he'd be aware of the Capree boots yet keep an original, so ive had to conclude that he played the boot at our club then lied about it. Not that important in the scheme of things, but its not how we do things - this is supposed to be the nice part of life, where you escape from the prevailing greed and lies. 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 15 hours ago His set wasn't unimaginative really was it? And isn't that how most dj's get their gigs, half of them wouldn't have got a look in in the old days because they've bought into it with ££££ records, they become top dj's 1 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,690 6,811 posts Posted 15 hours ago Given Ian's general lack of trust of most people why would he throw some into soul packs purchased by people that he doesn't know? I'm assuming from reading the thread that he doesn't know NikNak - but I'm happy for my assumption to be corrected. 0 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 15 hours ago Facts would be nice , all we have to date is theories regarding who and where etc. Too many chinese whispers and dead ends , false accusations can lead down slippery slopes unfortunately , be better to try and establish the facts first . 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 15 hours ago When it gets to the point that someone falsely accuses me of making the f*cking things, then I'm not on anyone's side except my own. Just one more thing though. If this had been done by someone on the scene who everyone loves - just think of someone - would there have been this fuss or would the same people be saying how great it was that he's bought us these lovely repros. 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 15 hours ago You'll have to ask him Peter, I have no idea why he did this and he won't tell anyone the full story, but he did. Several people have said so on here. 1 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 264 posts Posted 15 hours ago Well on the grounds that nobody actually knows where they came from it's hard to say ... The way you feel about apparently being accused of involvement no doubt applies to others implicated too , as I said we need facts but I can't see us getting them anytime soon 0 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,690 6,811 posts Posted 15 hours ago Not sure who you mean Pete - but speaking for mesen yes. 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 15 hours ago Well I didn't mean any one person in particular, I was just asking people to think of someone who wasn't hated by half the population 0 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,690 6,811 posts Posted 15 hours ago Fair enough. I don't know Ian personally and I've no reason to hate him. He's done loads of interesting stuff on the soul scene - much of which I admire. 0 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,023 4,788 posts Posted 15 hours ago (edited) Personally I don't care that it's Levine, his involvement, along with his history & reputation (good, bad or indifferent) means nothing to me. I am however gutted that Geoff seems to be involved, as I've know him a good few years, spent plenty of time in his company and traded 45s both ways with him. So for me, yes I feel the same about this whole sorry affair, even moreso because some-one who I considered a 'nice decent guy' has got involved in this sort of shite. Edited 15 hours ago by Mace 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 15 hours ago Mace if you know him and like him why on earth would this change your opinion of him, that's not what friendship is about is it? I'd just think oh well, if thats what you want to do then it's up to you but I wouldn't fall out with anyone over it. 0 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,023 4,788 posts Posted 15 hours ago Well, I'm guessing he's lied to me cus a few things he has said on this thread contradict what he told me on the phone yesterday..... I base my friendships on honesty and loyalty and trust......simple traits that make long lasting freindships worth fighting for. 3 upthejunction Semi known gem Members 42 459 posts Posted 15 hours ago Seems to me a word is missing from many of these posts "ETHICAL" . We all go on holiday and are confronted by the "Looky Looky" man hawking their "Lookalike" products . We don't have any problems with this as we know their credentials and you get what you pay for. But we do expect better from so called Icons and pioneers of our beloved scene. Deception based on reputation pure and simple. !!!!! 2 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 15 hours ago Of course I understand that but think how he must feel seeing all his friends turn on him, even saying his playlists are poor, for what exactly? And this scene is so hypocritcal, we all know there are drug dealers and goodness knows what on the scene but apparently that's ok compared to copying some record labels. 0 Mal C Mal C Members 1,201 3,738 posts Posted 15 hours ago steady Mark,they are just records mate... 0 Jaco Going Big Members 616 2,256 posts Posted 15 hours ago Can somebody point me to the FB group where this has been discussed. Ta. 0 tracey shaw Semi known gem Members 157 204 posts Posted 15 hours ago Rare Soul Talk 0 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,690 6,811 posts Posted 15 hours ago As I've said I don't know Ian personally - but, I've read some of his posts on Facebook and elsewhere. He gives as good as he gets and he's no saint at times is he. Fair play to you Pete - you stick with him, and have shown him great friendship and loyalty. 0 markw Do you think that's wise? Members 643 1,474 posts Posted 14 hours ago ..................fraudulent records. 0 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,023 4,788 posts Posted 14 hours ago Well I don't see any comments from his friends that I know who have turned on him. I do see comments from friends like myself who feel extremely let down by his involvement. He knows how passionate we are about records, it's what formed our friendship to start with, and he used to voice the same opinion and hatred for all the R&B boots that kept getting released. He doesn't need the money (whether the intention was to sell them or not) so I'm at a loss to why he has got tied up with the whole affair. You makes your choices........ 0 pow wow mik Getting spins again Members 873 1,087 posts Posted 14 hours ago (edited) what's wrong with drug dealers? providing a service, if you want drugs. If you don't, hard to see how they're bothering you. I don't get your logic here Pete - people feel strongly about boots and re-issues, the reasons why have been spelled out, but you keep saying that it's not important, compared with the black death, genocide or slavery... That's just a nonsense argument that you could use to mitigate anything - husband cheating? 'get over it, it's not as if anyone's died'...at a work tribunal? just say 'don't know what this fuss is about, not like anyone's got killed'...etc etc. Is violence the only bad thing in the world? surely we've seen in recent years that that's far from the case. It isn;t how the world works - caring about only the most severe issues only; if people care about something, and this care is obviously from a good place, about maintaining some standards and integrity in a shite corrupt world, why would you be offended by it? People aren't upset by this cos it's fraud, or cos it's deceitful, or because it's theft...they're upset because it's polluting the world of beautiful music with fraud, deceit and theft. People want to behave like this in the world of heavy metal records, rare stamps or wholesaling cabbages, I can't say I like it but i've really got nothing to say about it. Edited 14 hours ago by pow wow mik 3 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 14 hours ago I was referring to Geoff to be honest mate, someone I don't actually know. regarding Ian, I've lost count of the people who've told me to stop standing up for him as it will affect my 'reputation' but I'd stick up for any of my friends, until they let me down. 1 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,690 6,811 posts Posted 14 hours ago Yes you were! Doh. Still, my comment regarding you and Ian is fair. 0 Mal C Mal C Members 1,201 3,738 posts Posted 14 hours ago (edited) This thread is like one of those old American films where one fight between two guys spontaneously erupts into a mass brawl... I really do think most of you on here are off your heads, you really are... Edited 14 hours ago by Mal C 1 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 14 hours ago Mik I know you think I'm a bit soft in the head, you've said so many times by asking me why I don't just get an mp3 track instead of a carver. There is nothing wrong with honesty and integrity, and I hate deception and seeing people get ripped off. I only referenced drug dealing because it's illegal, whether it should be or not is a moot point. We have people bragging about breaking into chemists, stealing cars, but it's a laugh right? But that must have affected someone adversely so it's not really that funny. 0 pow wow mik Getting spins again Members 873 1,087 posts Posted 14 hours ago (edited) ha ha I can't claim to understand the appeal of the lookalikes for the home user, but I respect yours and Ian's honesty about having this affliction! I do think that you're the exceptions that prove the rule though - your very personal, possibly nostalgic reasons for loving vinyl 45s, even if not real, are not shared, I really don't think, by the people paying £100+ for lookalikes on ebay. These are DJs playing them and pretending to have originals, let's have it right. You're, strangely, a man of integrity who defends those that aren't! Re. crime in general - I for one am not making this a moral issue - I completely disregard the law, approve of some crime, disapprove of others. I dislike bootlegs cos they represent and support principles that I dislike - fake shit, laziness, shallowness, cheating, superfluous product, parasitic exploitation, cashing-in on underground culture, disrespecting legendary talents, over-exposing precious music etc etc. get me drift? Edited 14 hours ago by pow wow mik typo 0 Funky Si seriously funky dude Members 13 954 posts Posted 14 hours ago Passing boots off as originals and selling them to unsuspecting punters = a crime. Playing boots in a set at an OVO event = a bloody cheek if DJ knows, otherwise its just embarassing Owning boots = a hobby Rabbiting on about the rights and wrongs of the whole thing = entertainment Seems like this is 97% entertainment, 1% hobby, 1% bloody cheek, and at the start of the whole sorry story, 1% crime. 8 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 14 hours ago (edited) I do. I do love records though. And yes people playing lookalikes are hanging on the coattails of the real collectors and dj's and are there to be pitied really. But I just sit here in my house playing mine. Edited 14 hours ago by Pete S 4 markw Do you think that's wise? Members 643 1,474 posts Posted 14 hours ago Not compared to the lunatics out there who seem to think there is nothing wrong with counterfeiting records, passing them off as originals and ripping people off. 3 russoul1 Going Big Members 355 2,535 posts Posted 14 hours ago so how long have these 45s been around? as been asked but cant see any response if anyone may know, sounds like they have been around for a while now, as in this time collectors may have purchased the original 45s over that time, one example having purchased a greater experience in the last 18mths (certainly not saying that mine is one of these copies) but it gets you thinking is it or isn't it, since I purchased my copy have seen a few appear on ebay and on auction etc.....and they all seem to be in mintish condition seeing the pics which nik nak put up of records received which do look good, im thinking so whats in the runout...are they also the same as the original runout details? can someone clarify details...just incase like! 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 14 hours ago The answer as to when is above you if you read up. 0 pow wow mik Getting spins again Members 873 1,087 posts Posted 14 hours ago I heard wind of these 6 months ago (but as stock turning up, not boots), so at least that i'd say 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 14 hours ago Once again, I agree with every word of this and whoever does it should rightly be castigated. I'll do it tomorrow for you bit late now. 6 months maximum by the way. 1 russoul1 Going Big Members 355 2,535 posts Posted 14 hours ago been reading this thread with interest steve but how far up, just seen miks post last 6 mths or so? 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,317 9,722 posts Posted 14 hours ago summer 2015. 1 whiskyagogo Second Issue Members 10 50 posts Posted 8 hours ago For whats it's worth I have purchased multi packs before and have been pissed off with how they are packed, scratched and the filthy state they arrive in as to try and clean them is useless. It's the buyers right to feel upset especially if the seller is being an arse. nicnack, sorry mate looks like you'll have to wear it but thanks for notifying people. 4 dave pinch Massive everywhere Members 1,422 5,849 posts Posted 6 hours ago if nik doesnt know how to close his threads the mods should do it for him 0 Posted 4 hours ago Anyone own , seen or know of the Satan's Breed 45 on Jenges as a 100% original ? 0 SOULCENTRAL Semi known gem Members 200 426 posts Posted 3 hours ago HAT THE F**K HAS THIS GOT TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POST FROM NI NAK?. Will some one please, please, please CLOSE this BLOODY THREAD THAT HAS DETERIORATED INTO THE SAME OLD BOOTS v ORIGINALS SENARIO WHICH HAS BEEN AIRED NUMEROUS TIMES ON THIS SITE. 0 TattooDave Tape swappers fav Members 1,760 654 posts Posted 3 hours ago Maybe because Satan's Breed could be one of those that has been booted, and therefore the poster might want to compare one that he might own that could be a boot against an original, or at least that would be my guess. Closing this thread will only have another opened until all the details about the quantity of records that have been booted has been established, any distinguishing marks in the run out or tiny discrepancies on the labels have been circulated so that it will ward off anyone from purchasing one of them as an original, as some have already been distressed in an effort to deceive. There's always the choice of not reading the thread anymore. 8 Posted 3 hours ago Have you read the last 10 pages ? The origial poster mentions the boot 45's many times himself [as do many others] so a valid question . Just say you was interested in this 45 on original [if it exists] and had read this thread - would you not ask the question ? Surely if you are a collector you would do the same now it's been established that there are boots ? [maybe boots only ?] 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,424 posts Posted 3 hours ago (edited) Sorry having trouble replying to last post I'm not familiar with the Satans Breed record but it's 100% not one of these Northern lookalikes, if it has been 'done', and going by that scan showing the circles on the label, it has, it's totally separate to these. Edited 3 hours ago by Pete S 0 jim g Real Name: Rory Gallagher Members 402 1,029 posts Posted 3 hours ago it is on here 0 209 posts Posted 2 hours ago I know Jim - but apparently this found in the US and very shortly after 2 more 'turned up' . Trying to establish whether the 1st one is actually a 100% bona fide original . 0

SITE NOTE - THIS TOPIC CONTAINS THE 'RECOVERED' POSTS FROM THE DELETED THREAD NOTE THE 5 TOPICS ARE NOT IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER Though the posts in each topic should be Hover over the "posted 7 hours ago" to see date and time of original posting 25th Jan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,024 4,789 posts Posted 7 hours ago The Satans Breed that was sold by Vince on here was found at Austin Record Fair last June.........I have a very good idea where that went to. I can't see that copy being dodgy because I was at the show when it was found, and it was before these boots seem to have appeared. If it is the person who I believe purchased it, they have more than enough knowledge to validate it's authenticity. I'd still like to know where the originals for these boots were sourced......because all these boots have the correct flips so originals MUST have been used to source the Capree flip at least. 0 TattooDave Tape swappers fav Members 1,764 657 posts Posted 7 hours ago Fair enough Pete, it's just that until a full number is known there's people that deserve to know the extent of these before someone tries to distress more of them and people get ripped off. 1 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,024 4,789 posts Posted 7 hours ago (edited) Actually the other 2 turned up before the one found at Austin......I believe they still in the hands of Ian Levine and Geoff Swallow. I'm sure of this because Geoff was telling Vince how rare and expensive it was after the show that evening, and that he and Ian had copies. Edited 7 hours ago by Mace 0 Semi known gem Posted 7 hours ago Cheers Mace . 0 TattooDave Tape swappers fav Members 1,764 657 posts Posted 7 hours ago Does that indicate anything, I wonder? 0 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,024 4,789 posts Posted 7 hours ago I will add that if the Satans Breed sold on here does turn out to be dodgy, then this complete thread will be ripped apart as a load of bullshit because the whole set-up will take on a new angle......I really hope that isn't the case. 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,319 9,727 posts Posted 7 hours ago Why Mace? just means it has been going on longer than last summer when we believe the current crop of looky likes was conceived. 0 Mace Pow Wow & Soul Funk-Tion Allnighter - Sat 19th Dec 2015 Members 1,024 4,789 posts Posted 7 hours ago (edited) Well, because it would implicate other folk are involved with the deceit, and whilst I don't believe that is the case it obviously needs to be checked.......the proof of the pudding is the validity of that Satans Breed. Edited 7 hours ago by Mace 1 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,319 9,727 posts Posted 6 hours ago Time to break out a separate thread on bootleg legality methinks. 0 markw Do you think that's wise? Members 644 1,474 posts Posted 6 hours ago I agree Steve. Otherwise the thread really is drifting away from the original 2 subjects of (1) the quality and content of Ian Levine's soul packs and (2) the counterfeits connected to those soul packs, their source, the motives behind them and their impact on the wider rare soul collecting/dealing community. 1 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 267 posts Posted 6 hours ago Steering things back to the original topics for a moment . It's interesting to see that in Mr Levine's Podcast #35 ( uploaded on Mixcloud a month ago ) most of the offending tracks on the booted list are included . All getting a mention in the tracklist whereas others don't get listed ... clever subliminal marketing ploy ... ? Note that Geoff's on the accompanying picture with Ian ( and someone else I don't recognise ) 0 mike huh manager 2,692 14,149 posts Posted 5 hours ago bootleg discussion posts has now been split off link below for info moderation is currently more reactive than proactive so best to use the 'report post' feature rather than the actual thread for any moderation suggestions etc that way all the site team are informed asp of your suggestions etc thanks mike 1 Mick Boyle Semi known gem Members 257 423 posts Posted 5 hours ago I sold my copy of Greater Experience a couple of years ago and I'm glad I did. As I think that if I put it up for sale now it would be difficult to sell due to the present situation. As a 10 count was found a few years back, and they were all in mint condition, just like the new dodgy ones. Owners of big ticket records that have been copied can look forward to having problems with future buyers. I think the scene would be a poorer place without bootlegs but this is taking the p--s. well done to the guy bringing it to our attention before it got to far out of hand. 1 rhino Tape swappers fav Members 163 532 posts Posted 5 hours ago Ian plugging them on twitter also mentions he could with some soul pack customers to pay for them 0 JulianB Getting spins again Members 551 1,879 posts Posted 5 hours ago Looks like Tim Brown 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,319 9,727 posts Posted 5 hours ago (edited) Yes it is Tim Edited 4 hours ago by Steve G 0 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,695 6,817 posts Posted 5 hours ago I can't find the podcast - anyone have a link. Thanks Peter 0 WoodButcher Semi known gem Members 311 267 posts Posted 5 hours ago 0 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,695 6,817 posts Posted 5 hours ago Thanks mate. 0 rhino Tape swappers fav Members 163 532 posts Posted 4 hours ago Yep that's Tim for sure 0 niknak Second Issue Members 30 55 posts Posted 3 hours ago They all have etched matrix number. no stamps 0 Benji Going bald Members 709 3,789 posts Posted 3 hours ago I.R.O. Ian's Soul Pack podcast: Did anyone buy one after hearing the podcast? I mean, as much as I've liked to listen to his podcasts over the years. But this one here, 75 records in all, 50% at best average quality 1-2 quid stuff and 50% Ian Levine tailor-mades, not really what I'd like to find in a soul pack. 1 niknak Second Issue Members 30 55 posts Posted 3 hours ago He even mentions that one of the records he has just played went for £50. I can't remember the title, but i looked it up, & was going for £3.99 +p&p. In completed listings in went for not much more. 0 Pete S Ultra Northern Members 12,819 36,427 posts Posted 2 hours ago I've bought records for a quid which I sold for £200 though 0 davidwapples Getting spins again Members 199 1,032 posts Posted 2 hours ago There was one called this train in my soul pack i think by tommy tate that was on a certain dealers site for somewhere between 50 and 100 0 Benji Going bald Members 709 3,789 posts Posted 2 hours ago I just looked it up, sells for less than a fiver on Discogs. And just because it's listed @50 doesn't mean it sells @50. But well know that 0 Dave Thorley Northern Anthem Members 1,303 8,101 posts Posted 2 hours ago (edited) Off topic a little but this is a ten page response to the question from some 'why do some DJ's still cover up new discoveries' ....................... Edited 2 hours ago by Dave Thorley 4 0 niknak Second Issue Members 30 55 posts Posted 1 hour ago yes, but you didn't say it did, when i didn't though 0 davidwapples Getting spins again Members 199 1,032 posts Posted 28 minutes ago yes but also got a copy of full speed must be love / put em on the right track on real thing that sold for lots in the past 0 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,319 9,727 posts Posted 27 minutes ago (edited) I think people need to manage their expectations a little better here. It's 2016, the idea that you are going to find valuable records in a soul pack in this day and age is just plain daft. There is only one reason for soul packs, to clear space with overstocks and stuff that you can't sell any other way. They are fine if you want to have a shelf of records overnight to look at and impress your mates with, buy soul packs. Otherwise carry on digging! Edited 25 minutes ago by Steve G 1 IANCSLOFT IANCSLOFT Members 894 3,207 posts Posted 27 minutes ago I've been reading this thread over the past few days my conclusion Ian Levines s Soul Packs 1000 45s for £1000 not bad if you read what he says in his sales pitch re what type of records are gonna be in the pack I'm sure if I bought one and was unhappy with say the condition of a few 100 I would send them back to be replaced hopefully by Ian L . Regarding the counterfeit copies what Ian Levine gave out to friends for personally use with strict instructions that they where gifts and not to be sold on Well what can you say so called friends have moved a few on which has caused a load of grief for certain people.. I'm sure long time collectors of rare soul 45s like myself over 40 yrs wouldn't be fooled by these counterfeits I've had my suspicion for a number of years that certain rare 45s have been counterfeited and passed on in small numbers via e bay The Archer plant only closed several.years ago didn't it ? Whenever I've bought rare 45s like Admirations you left me Eddie Parker I'm gone Sonatas goin down the road ect ect ect I've known the history of said 45s and can trace them back years that in my opinion if your spending major dosh on rare 45s do your homework and check the history of where it's come from and you can soon on most see the previous owners or where the record originates from .. I know Ian Levine hasn't been very well this last year this incident must be doin his yed in .. Oh for the days of John Andersons souls packs and the ones from record corner and the ones I use to get from Record Museum Arch St Philly in 72/73 LOL Happy Memories wish I knew then what I know now lol 0 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,695 6,817 posts Posted 25 minutes ago Long gone are those days Steve. I was always sceptical - even back in the 80's! 1 Steve G Just one more record Ma'am Members 5,319 9,727 posts Posted 23 minutes ago Hi Peter, you could still get stuff then, depending on whose soul packs etc. But the idea that Reflections records on golden World are going to become the next soul pack "Jimmy Bo Horne" is just plain potty. 1 niknak Second Issue Members 30 55 posts Posted 22 minutes ago They wouldn't be saying "how great it was that he's bought us these lovely repros" if at the same time he gave those "lovely repros" to some poor smuck (me) & making out they were real. something tells me they would not get the red carpet treatment. 0 Peter99 Ironside - DIY That Will Blow Your Mind Members 6,695 6,817 posts Posted 21 minutes ago Yep, you're right of course Steve. I'm sure it was to my great loss that I didn't buy any. I've seen some of the things that were in John's packs from Soul Bowl. Nice. 1 chatty Semi known gem Members 132 164 posts Posted 18 minutes ago And now someone has bought a record for £2000 they'll be lucky to get a quid for!

important info this thread was deleted in error earlier today by myself while deleting off topic posts it has been restored but only to the point of last backup 3 days ago will open once have done the below i will re-post ian levines email response shortly

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des and others best if you use the 'report post' feature -link is next to the posted date/time that way all mods are aware asp cheers mike

The address in the above is the public address and details of the guy/company selling the 45 from ebay - as in ebay shows this info under the public Business seller information details section on the sales item page To avoid misunderstandings its always best when posting info like this to give as much info as possible, eg source, reason etc etc As the seller I guess he should be able to direct people to the source of these records and/or answer any concerns about them ?

here's that article on Eddie Foster himself, can't recall seeing any photos of him over the years, there's the concert advert from 1966 that godz posted on here, but no photos ? anyone ?

here's that article on Eddie Foster himself, can't recall seeing any photos of him over the years, there's the concert advert from 1966 that godz posted on here, but no photos ? anyone ?

have we got any links for confirmation of the passing on the official blowfly site and other sites hasn't anything further than the initial post? https://www.facebook.com/BlowflyOfficial/

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moved from the media forum on books/mags posts front page news feature is best place for new release news/announcement type posts this forum 'general sales and wants' for reminder type posts cheers