Jez Jones

Good point ..well made Mick...and its exactly these 'type' of clubs pre Casino Allnighters....that 'unearthed' gems in their playlists......apart from the obvious Torch.Wheel, Cats, Blue Orchid...etc etc etc etcs....the DJ's from the 'lesser known clubs improvised and created playlists from a 'smaller pool' than what we enjoy today...................... I stumbled across these two the other day....which I first heard at one of the smaller less well known venues....probably NOT allnighter fodder nowadays (but they possibly got spins at Whitworth st)......but pleasant enough Pretty Red Balloons..........Rosetta Hightower Clarence Carter.....Looking for a Fox

...and of course flip the Billy Butler over and we have the great 'Help Yourself'

aaahh Bri, how ya doing mate.....some bangers there..... and a confirmation (to me anway lol) that the Tangeers was deffo a pre Wigan spin....thought t was...but memory and all that.......... Now Saxie Russell.....(dont let Donelley read this lol)....Top Rank Hanley/Va Va's spin ?/........i always thought this came up from Cats during Torch....but again the old grey matter ................ Here's a couple of Lou's you'll remember Lou Courtenay Skate Now Lou Courtenay You Aint ready

Some great tunes being put forward chaps...That Dalton Boys btw if you remember was quite a rarity in its tme The Fidels always a quality sound....is t really that hammered at oldies night ?? Anyway here's a few Jack Momtgomery Do You Believe it (before it's more famous flip got action) Rosetta Hytower Pretty Red Balloons Carolyn Franklin The Boxer (real frantic this one)

here's a couple of Clarence's...that have a bit of ooomph to them Clarence Carter Funky Fever Clarence Murray Dont Talk Like that

..here's a mixture that sound good to me... Leroy Taylor Oh Linda Edwin Starr Girls are getting Prettier Donald Lee Richardson Got m in the palm of your hand

Always thought these two were 'okeh' and could get an airing nowadays Carstairs He who picks a rose Autographs I can do it

this does get an 'airing' on occason and deservedly so Ben Aitken Satisfied

be interesting to hear some of the Mirwood stuff played out nowadfays Belles Dont Pretend

Here's a couple that often get overlooked.....but to me ..still have that certain something Ronnie Walker You're the one Bonnie and Lee The Way I feel about you

Oh I know mate...he's got the bug back...mind you on reflection...when he was 'dealing' back then it was 'new stuff'.....so he's just had a little break lol......mine of information and top bloke!

oh yeah proper choon with attitude this...think if memory serves ..it was the instrumental that got played first...then this beast was laid before us!!

Richard Wonder esq ...Nobody Knows on Golden Triangle was a Cats tune first pre Wigan am sure......and again sounds goood today

lol...oh yes he'll have forgot more than we know about pre Wigan stuff

Tried this one out to my grandson a few months back....got his approval!! Bobby Wells Be That way sometimes

Wow American Youth Choir.....aint heard in ages...good ole fashioned norvern Percy Sledge deffo stood the test of time that one !!

Couple of 'atmospheric moovers' that still sound good to me Jean Carter Like One Lillian Dupree Hide and Seek

Yeah great old Wheel tine that is Martyn...worthy of hearing out for sure

Whilst not a 'stomper' as such...i've always thought this still sounds nice in a smaller intimate type of venue Robert Banks Mighty Good Way

Yeah thought t would be a bit of fun on a snowy afternoon Mark.....mind you there's probably only me old enough to remember em lol here's a couple that stll sound 'nice and raw' Helena Ferguson My Terms Jimmy Holiday Baby Boys in love

Just seen a playlist with more than a couple of pre Wigan sounds. Just wondered on a snowy afternoon for a bit of light relief, are that any more sounds played before Wigan that are still doing the biz up and down ?..or some personal faves that you don't hear out but think deserve an airing... I;ll start with a few Alice Clark You hit me.......... Herb Johnson I'm so Glad Valentines Breakaway Puzzles My Sweet Baby James Bounty Prove yourself a Lady Lets see what we got folks.....

Would be nice to hear this out more often in 2015... Voice Masters...Dance right into my heart.....Bamboo 113

sorry to be a pain mods....please put in correct thread and do as you will Chris Burton...thanks for providing an opportunity to focus... Hi Jez Your comments are Cleary at odds with the facts and I am not going to write any further comments, as your memory does not recall the facts as they were. Chris..THIS WILL GET US NOWHERE....YOU CLEARLY STATE YOU HAVE A REPUTATION TO PRESERVE AND NATURALLY YOU WILL DENY ANYTHING THAT COULD TARNISH IT...SO LET'S MOVE ON I have a memo from Ray the owner of the venue to confirm the arrangement he had made with you in respect of his future policy requirement's and that memo clearly states you had agreed to his proposals NOW WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE....THIS MEMO FACT OR FICTION..ITS IRRELEVANT WHAT IS RELEVANT AND CRUCIAL HERE IS TIMINGS ..YOU KNEW MY FEELINGS ABOUT YOUR INVOLVEMENT...I CLEARLY STATED...THANKS FOR YOUR OFFER...I WONT DISMISS IT PER SE...WE BOTH AGREED TO LOOK AT THIS IN THE NEW YEAR. I WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD UP THE VENUE AND SEE WHERE WE AT 2015...REASONABLE REQUEST DONT YOU THINK ?...THATS A RHETORICAL QUESTION BY THE WAY...YOU AGREED ..I HAVE THE TEXT MESSAGE...SO NO NEED FOR MEMORY LAPSES HERE THEN OK MOVING ON...THIS HAPPENED IN OCTOBER...SO I KNOW AND YOU KNOW MY POSITION I DONT RECALL CHANGING MY MIND ..DO YOU ? AGAIN A RHETORICAL QUESTION.....BECAUSE YOU CLEARLY STATE TO ME THAT YOU RESPECT MY VIEWS ON THIS...AGAIN I HAVE THE TEXT MESSAGE LETS GET DEEPER INTO THIS CHRIS...YOU ARE AWARE THAT IN OCTOBER OUR AGREEMENT WAS TO REVISIT OUR TALKS IN THE NEW YEAR...I'M SORRY TO LABOUR THIS POINT, BUT ITS CRUCIAL WHEN DID YOU CONVENE TALKS WITH RAY? MEMO OR NO MEMO...WHY DID YOU NOT 'HONOUR' OUR AGREEMENT ? TELL YOU WHAT...LETS PLAY SILLY BUGGERS HERE SHALL WE...LETS JUST SAY YOU FORGOT OUR AGREEMENT...IT CAN HAPPEN..NONE OF US ARE GETTING ANY YOUNGER WHY DID YOU NOT OUT OF COURTESY..KEEP ME INFORMED OF WHAT WAS GOING..AS A REPUTABLE PROMOTER SURELY 'COMMUNICATON' IS KEY TO YOUR SUCCESS.... SO LET ME RECAP....NO PRIOR AGREEMENT TO HONOUR ( AGAIN ITS JUST ME PLAYING SILLY BUGGERS...BECAUSE THERE WAS)...YOU CONTINUE YOUR TALKS....AT ANY STAGE DID YOU NOT FIND IT ODD...IF THIS WAS ABOVE BOARD SHALL WE SAY...I WAS NOT CC'D INTO ANY EMAIL,MEMO ETC ETC OK YOU DIDN'T ..RIGHT THE CLOCKS TICKING HERE...ARE WE MOVING INTO NOVEMBER YOU AND THAT GUY FROM GOLDSOLE PAY RAY A VISIT..AGAIN YOU CHOOSE NOT TO INVOLVE ME.....GOOD MANNERS MAYBE NOT, CERTAINLY YOU MUST SMELL A RAT..SURELY...BUT NO...NEVER LOOK A GIFT HORSE N THE MOUTH HEY CHRIS...LETS GET THIS INTO ACTION..LETS GET TICKETS AND FLYERS SORTED RIGHT..MOVING INTO DECEMBER..NEARLY SORTED....STILL NO 'JEZ' INVOLVEMENT...OK WE GONE TOO FAR...LETS BREAK THE NEWS SO ..ALL THIS IN THE SPACE OF 8 WEEKS...AFTER OUR DOCUMENTED AGREEMENT......OH HOW EASY YOUR HEART FORGETS ME..CHRIS , when I was informed that it was not the situation I immediately withdrew from the promotion, cancelled the tickets and flyers and announced THATS AN HONORABLE GESTURE..BUT WAY TOO LATE the basic facts on facebok with a copy to your self. I had a meeting today with the owner of The Box to discuss a series of promotions that have nothing to do with Northern Soul at all however I was asked again to promote a series of Northern events at The Box I refused to be involved in any Northern Soul events due to the circumstances that have been created and he accepted my decision. GREAT NEWS CHRIS....CAST YOUR MIND BACK TO MY FIRST POINT I MADE THIS MORNING ,,,THAT MY FRIEND WAS WHAT YOU WERE INTRODUCED TO RAY IN THE FIRST PLACE FOR...REMEMBER! GOOD LUCK WITH IT btw the fella from coldsore promotions is having a bit of trouble focusing on the issue here...get a grip of him Chris..not in the biblical sense of course A WELCOME RELIEF TO US ALL I THINK

This is all very distasteful. Out of RESPECT I have refrained from posting on this thread. Its all too easy to get embroiled in a 'feeding frenzy' that can unfortunately cause hurt to peoples feelings AND be used unscrupulously to further 'agendas' that some may have From a PERSONAL point of view Chris is held in high esteem by me and many others...because of the 'Hose st' link and that is a nostalgic moment in time that a lot of us of a certain age , have many fond memories Fast forward to 2014.........oh how those times have changed in the cut throat world of the 'professional promoter and how social media can 'influence' Myself along with countless others are 'gullty' if thats the correct word, of consistently using it to persuade, cajole, influence people to attend their venue..that said it doesn't need me to tell you...the dangers of how it can have repercussions that go far far beyond.....snipes and jibes aimed at discreditng people.. So Chris has come on here and presented a version of the 'tale' as HE sees it...this can now be read into, disected, analysed, concluded upon etc......which brings me on to my original point...out of RESPECT I have refrained from commenting because 'dirty laundry' as it were should not be aired on a public forum because of the tendency of it to become a trial by internet... I hope NOT to have to revisit this topic again and again ....I like many many others of you must surely have more pressing matters especially at this time of year with Xmas coming........ What follows will be my 'take' on Chris Burton's posting..Excuse the capIta.ls as I feel to properly reply as it were...my comments need to stand out from the existing text Hi Mace good to hear from you. Basically Jez introduced me to the owner the Sunday that the owner kicked Winnie out of THE bOX WRONG.....FACTUALLY INCORRECT n.b. ANY ISSUES BETWEEN VINCE,MYSELF AND THE BOX ARE EXACTLY THAT and he asked me if I would take the Sunday sessions at The Box WRONG...FACTUALLY INCORRECT...I DID INTRODUCE CHRIS TO THE VENUE OWNER AFTER CHRIS TOLD ME ABOUT HIS OTHER .VENTURES N TO PROMOTING LIVE 'TRIBUTE' BANDS....THE BOX IS FAMED FOR HOSTING LOTS OF THESE EVENTS AND OUT OF RESPECT TO CHRIS I INTRODUCED HIM TO THE VENUE OWNER WITH SPECIFIC INTENTIONS.THEY EXCHANGED PLEASANTRIES AND CONTACT DETAILS WITH A VIEW TO FURTHERING THEIR LIAISON..AND SHARE EXPERIENCE.. OVER PROMOTING THE LIVE BANDS........END OF HE CATEGORICALLY DID NOT....ASK CHRIS TO TAKE THE SUNDAY SESSIONS AT THE BOX. AN ODD CLAIM IN ITSELF CONSIDERING THEY HAD ONLY JUST MET..AND THE VENUE OWNER HAS NO IDEA OF NS HISTORY ETC ETC , I told the owner in front of Jez that I could not be involved WRONG..FACTUALLY INCORRECT ..REFER TO MY ABOVE RESPONSE however Jez and I had several discussions , WRONG..FACTUALLY INCORRECT...WE HAD ONE DISCUSSION FACE TO FACE...(ALL OTHER SUBSEQUENT CONTACT I'VE HAD WITH CHRIS HAS BEEN VIA TEXT WHICH I STILL RETAIN) in terms of how we could increase the numbers from the 60 that were attending at that time WRONG...FACTUALLY INCORRECT...NOW AM I TO TAKE THIS AS A 'ROYAL' WE.......BECAUSE THIS INFERS THAT I AM INCLUDING CHRIS IN FUTURE EXPANSION PLANS...WHEREBY CHRIS CLEARLY STATES IN HIS POSTING LATER ON... I HAD NO INTEREST IN INVOLVING HIM ....I AM TAKEN ABACK BY CHRIS'S ABILITY TO COUNT/JUDGE NUMBERS ATTENDING ON THE DAY...I SUPPOSE THAT COMES WITH EXPERIENCE.....ITS INCORRECT..... AGAIN.....BUT ITS ASTONISHING NONETHELESS I suggest later on that Saturday All nighters might help to raise the profile of the venue, CORRECT..ALTHOUGH ITS HARDLY GROUNDBREAKING NEWS...AND CERTAINLY NOT WORTHY OF MENTION IN THIS CONTEXT (HAVING SAID THAT I MAY HAVE RESPONDED ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY IN STAGING AN ALLNIGHTER IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE DUE TO CLASHES )...AS THE BOX HAS RUN SEVERAL ALLNIGHTERS IN THE PAST. I proposed a deal to Jez WRONG..FACTUALLY INCORRECT.I SAID IF YOU WANT TO HELP ME PUT A 'SOUL NIGHT' ON HERE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THAT IN THE NEW YEAR...NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS...A DISCUSSION...CHRIS SEEMED DISINTERESTED AND IT WENT NO FURTHER and he stated that he wanted to proceed doing it his way CORRECT ....AND AT THIS POINT YOU WOULD THINK THAT IS THE END OF THE MATTER . Moving on several weeks the owner contacted me to advise me that he had agreed with Jez CANNOT COMMENT ON THIS...OBVIOUSLY I WASN'T THERE.....ALTHOUGH I HAVE CONTINUALLY EMPHASISED MY COMMITMENT TO THE SUNDAY SESSIONS that Jez quite rightly wanted to continue with his Sundays CORRECT..IN 100 PER CENT AGREEMENT and that he has reached agreement with Jez that I could assist with 2 all- nighters a year WRONG ..FACTUALLY INCORRECT....AT NO TIME DID I AGREE TO CHRIS ASSISTING ME WITH ANY ALLNIGHTERS...EVER a position that I thought would work because Jez had agreed REFER TO MY ABOVE STATEMENT , I now realise that Jez had not been informed until last Sunday CORRECT ....AT 5.30PM APPROX DURING A BUSY 2 ROOMED EVENT....I WAS INFORMED BY THE VENUE OWNER THAT CHRIS WAS GOING TO DO 2 ALLNIGHTERS...AND IMPOTRTANTLY EMPHASISED THIS IS ....TBC AND THAT WE(ME AND HIM) NEED TO DISCUSS ALTERNATIVE DATES...........................THIS IS CENTRAL TO EVERYTHING !! THE MIGHTY WHEELS OF GOLDSOLE PROMOTIONS MOVED SWFTLY INTO PLAY ON SUNDAY AS A NEW PROMOTION OF 2 ALLNIGHTERS (DATES AND EXISTENCE OF......I WAS UNAWARE OF) BECAME INCREASINGLY A REALITY SO.....IF CHRIS WAS 'BROUGHT IN TO ASSIST ;LIKE THE TROUBLESHOOTER JOHN HARVEY JONES, 1) WHY DIN'T CHRIS MAKE CONTACT WITH ME...DID HE NOT THINK HE NEEDED TO....SURELY IF YOU ARE ;BROUGHT IN....THE FIRST ETHICAL THING TO DO IS CONTACT THE EXISTING ENCUMBENT TO DISCUSS THE FUTURE WAY FORWARD. I HAVE AN AUDIT TRAIL OF TEXTS FROM CHRIS....SADLY GIVING NO INDICATION OF HIS PROMOTIONS 2) I AM AT A LOSS IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND GOLDSOLE( SHALL COME TO THIS RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM)....... INVOLVEMENT IN ALL THIS...WHO IS/WAS RUNNING THIS..ITS ALL VERY CONFUSUNG....JUST WHO IS THE MAIN STAKEHOLDER IN THIS 3) CHRIS HAS RIGHTLY STATED....I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS TILL SUNDAY AND BECAUSE OF THIS...IT TRANSPIRES THAT CHRIS HAS RESPECTFULLY DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES REJECTED ANY OFFER IS/WAS THIS IN FACT A 'HOSTILE TAKOVER' ? , I commenced advertising on facebook yesterday not knowing what had actually happened CORRECT..CHRIS DID COMMENCE ADVERTISING....HOWEVER CLAIMS OF NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE LEAD UP TO THIS....IS A POOR EXCUSE....AS A PROFESSIONAL PROMOTER ITS YOUR JOB TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT A PLANNED EVENT...INCLUDING PREVIOUS HISTORY AND MORE IMPORTANT;Y THE HUMAN ASPECT.....WHO AM I AFFECTING BY DOING THS...ARE MY ACTIONS GOING TO CAUSE ANYONE ANY PROBLEMS....SURELY THESE ARE CONSIDERATIONS..........WILL THIS ENHANCE MY BUSINESS....WILL THIS AFFECT OTHER BUSINESSES.... ETC ETC , when I was aware of what had happed I immediately withdrew CORRECT my advertising, cancelled the flyers and tickets for March 14th WHAT?...A DIRECT QUESTION TO CHRIS.........WAS THIS DONE PRIOR TO ANY SO CALLED AGREEMENT??.....SURELY NOT and informed the owner that I could not be involved due to the circumstances that had presented them selves SO AGAIN A QUESTION TO CHRIS...CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THE PLANNED MEETING YOU HAVE WITH THE VENUE OWNER TODAY...WILL NO LONGER TAKE PLACE The owner had confirmed all the key points I have referred to me in writing I CAN'T COMMENT....I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANY CONTRACTUAL OR OTHERWISE... AGREEMENTS YOU HAVE RECIEVED and if this ill informed campaign against me does not stop I will take the legal action to stop it. I have done my very best within the soul scene for over 40 years and my reputation is still very important to me and thanks to the support given to me I hope to continue to do so for a few more years THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING..AS IS MINE Now I said I would get back to goldsole at the bottom Firstly Golden 101...who is this? Are you a representative of goldsole promotions ? Are you in fact Kev Roberts ? i found all this pseudonym nonsense very silly ? If you are in fact Kev Roberts...then take heed This is a thread of a very sensitive nature and as Chris rightly states reputations can be harmed and irreperrable 'collateral' human costs are at risk I find you're flippant and almost blase comments are at best inflaming a sensitive subject..and at worst a thinly veiled personal attack on me and valued friends of mine. Ether way you clearly have no constructive part to play in this debate So can I respectfully ask you to stop now.....you are becoming tiresome ..and the random rantings of an AGEING IMPRESSARIO. is surely an image you dont want to cultivate I can do no more but wait............. Can I just say a BIG thanks to all the messages of support I've received from all the promoters, who have similar tales to tell of bully boy tactics and underhand dealngs( keep strong you lot.....you can shape the future of the scene YOUR EVENTS ARE IMPORTANT TO US...THE SCENE NEEDS YOU),.........and from the many decent and honest soulies out there who are week in week out supporting venues and events.... enjoying the scene, never involving themselves in stupid and destructive politics and underpininng what is a great scene... BE THE BEST YOU CAN ...Be honest with people and show respect ...they tend to like it

Pmd ya mate