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HI ALL.. Hears a classic 2 sider, tou can see it was wend by a young maladjusted WIGAN YOUNGSTER, it gas the matrix Marks of being legit and i cant remember it being booted. but i have only seen 4 copies and they were white DEMOS, what say you young Sirs DAVE

HI ALL IT SEEMS I WAS WRONG ANY WAY JUST SO YOU DON'T GET CARRIED AWAY, WITH THE RED & WHITE DEMOS, THEY ALSO WERE BLACK & WHITE, JUST LIKE THIS WIGAN CLASSIC FROM ABOUT 1 YEAR EARLYER DAVE

Hi All,, A Very nice find 100% PROPER & RIGHT, was it cheap?? well done< DAVE

:hatsoff2:HI ALL GREAT RECORD MY COPY HAS BOTH SIDE AS THEY SHOULD BE, B SIDE IS NICE A SIDE GREAT, WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THIS THESE DAYS, AS MINE WAS £2 :ph34r:DAVE

:hatsoff2:Hi All Years ago, when "GOD's Dog was a pup" I used to mix as many versions as possible in a time frame of "let's not over Kill, and empty the dancefloor". Start with Spyder and it's up to you. Casius Clay, Ben E King, Earl Grant Inst....and on & on & on, :no:Just 4 fun Have a go :ph34r:DAVE KIL

:hatsoff2:Hi All Years ago, when "GOD's Dog was a pup" I used to mix as many versions as possible in a time frame of "let's not over Kill, and empty the dancefloor". Start with Spyder and it's up to you. Casius Clay, Ben E King, Earl Grant Inst....and on & on & on, :no:Just 4 fun Have a go :ph34r:DAVE KIL

Hi Mike I think it was time to move on as I was getting bored, I personally have no issues with our man and would buy him pint any day, But I do think members in general should not hide behind name and give negative insults just for the sake of it, as it's at best will cause a reaction, as it becomes all one way traffic, I enjoy the subject on the early days of how the scene developed, and the very fact that you could meet people at a All Nighters on a Saturday from diff rant parts of the country and get the traditional Soul Scene hand shake, and only hours earlier they would be on the terraces ready to fight someone who supported another team, the odds on the scene developing were against, Again I stress the subject matter of the thread had moved to a personal attack, as such I hope that the lesson turns out to promote the fraternal side of the rare soul scene, that I have been a part off for 43 years, lets see? Dave

Hi All yes lets get back to normal will do as you have a fixation, about me and my experience of the soul scene, and evaded any form of self disclosure about why you have a suspicious streak that verges on edge of a depressive illness, and a compelling dislike of the fact I was one of the first members of a sub culture has bought a paranoid envy of your own wish fulfillment, that you are complainer about your actions not mine, if you read the thread again the fact you implied that you were involved with other man u fans at the trouble at West Ham, and that would make you of an age of at least 60 today, and you say that Man united were the original BB, implying that you were the first skinhead in London and because of that fact you were a member of the largest Firm? as there were only 2 named Firms at the time the Krays & Richardson's I don't think I will be alone by declaring oh! and London's largest Firm the Cockney Reds???? then on each entry you have made told us nothing but called me and my contribution "pork pies", which quite clearly ain't nice is it, in fact it has taken it's toll and scared me, to conclude I don't give a monkeys about anythings but I do have a concern that you still will not be member of our fraternal scene and share with all brothers & sisters present and past, I hope you understand my issue with you? moving on in line with the thread what villainy have our seen or been part of in the early days of the Northern Soul scene, and just for my final question what was your favorite all nighter that you attended in 72 to 75, as a RED you would have gone to the Whee then you and me would not have this stupid rap, so unless you call me a liar for the 4th time I will wish you a Good Day Sir and keep the carrot crunching to a minimum, I thank you. DAVE PS When I moved to Wolves there were the Wolverhampton Blacks I suppose they were a bit like your FIRM ??BYE BYE X

HI ALL....I really don#t no why this thread, has individuals with good intellect, but so insecure that they hide themselves away behind a pseudonym and keep everything a secret, and when to stand up and be counted, or give a account on how they developed into who they are today, baffles me, all I have learnt from this person is nothing, Nothing about why he become a Manchester United Fan as there are many teams in London, and the vast majority of Football Fans do support thee local team, or a team that has some connection with there family, in the West Midlands again this is a good example of my point, Wolves, West Brom, have a excellent fan base and British rivalry almost hate for each other, plus back in the day they had a hardcore firm, Wolves had the Subway Army, I can see them now in their Lyle & Scots or Pringles with Farah's back in the 80s, and I have asked around about the Cockney Reds? and what I found out was what I already knew, the typical CR is Middle aged living within 80 miles of London and infamous for fighting fans from the lower divisions and typically turning up at the wrong meet and beating up kids of estates, Good luck to them and our Friend, who has a liking for Aldershot Town, I wonder if he wanted to be a squadie, Myself I gave you and the thread a realistic point of view on the subject of villains on the early soul scene, by informing every one what I am about and anyone who has met me knows that, in my youth like in many areas in the north and the South I enjoyed being a part of the IN CROWD, more than constantly proving that you are a hard man, I got most of that out of the way by the time I reached 25, but if challenged I will take anyone on, it's a shame that our man from the sticks cant see that when he is giving it large, as his front is no larger than a back street corner shop, so come on Mr Eaststand BB tell us who you are or I will hunt you down, WHO ARE YOU! lets get back to the real stuff and not the pretense of wishful thinking please, DAVE KIL

HI OR SHOULD I SAY, "HELLO SAILOR"! MOVING ON, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FORMED IN 67, THE GROUP LINE UP WAS :- NORMAN JOHNSON, EDDIE CURTIS, DANNY WOODS, & HARRISON KENNEDY, ALL HAD GREAT VOCALS. AFTER A CHANGE IN THE 70s, THE GROUP REFORMED AS GENERAL JOHNSON and the CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, HAVING LOOKED GOOD AND HARD, ALL I CAN WORK OUT, IS BEST WISHES, BUT IT DON'T LOOK LIKE THE REAL BAND? THAT'S NOT TO SAY THEY WERE NO GOOD, I WONDER WHO THEY WERE???? DAVE KIL

Hi All That may be true if you are talking about a result, in these paragraphs I put the reason and logic and hope that I have made my point , However the stuff you have added, has naif all to do with the subject, which is rhetoric and factual, I am a transparent as you can get, your talk about the largest firm in London and Skinheads started in West London at Chelsea, just goes to show me that, you have no idea of what you are talking about? and certainly tells me you have never been involved at the sharp end of Terrace occupation, at least not in London you ain't. Chelsea FC in 68 69 were a nothing team and never won a thing there fame was Jimmy Greaves there was a Caf in Shepard's Bush that had a sign in the window, saying "if Chelsea ever win the FA Cup every one could have a free meal" of course this sign had been up before the BLITZ, in 1970 they did win it. The team were infamous for playing lazy dirty football, there best player was the CAT PB, and the most overrated was OSGOOD he was NO GOOD. Te Skinheads of West London born and bread were QPR & Fulham supporters I remember the Chelsea SKINHEADS average age 16 years they started the craze of tieing a scarf around the wrist, in 1972 CHELSEA V WEST HAM we took the SHED The Old Bill would not let the game start till the WEST HAM left the SHED, Ho ever I stayed in the SHED with about 40 others and it was not till half time that we decided to leave, when I jumped onto the pitch to walk to the other stand 3 Coppers jumped on me as i walked past the Goal for a moment I broke free and gave the shed 2 fingers and the cry of Wankers that is what it was all about. And for me that was the closing chapter of what was a great 4 years, but the rare SOUL SCENE was tee to explore a new tangent in my serendipitous journey, even writing this makes me wonder what are men doing stuff that we did as KIDS?? in one of CAZ Pennants books there is an account of that match , and it is nothing like it really was, as this game was on ITV has any one got a copy as I must be the DOGS, and finally I am not at all interested in anything that I was not involved in, and as I say it had all died out around the country, Pills also dried up it was indifferent from then and on wards, but at least I retain the SPIRIT of 60 DAVE "KILLER" KIL

Hi Ann don't let the hart Rule the Brain as you have on paper a nice few records, however realistically unless you auction the of individually you are not going to get your figure, a dealer is only going to pay for ex condition records and then pay half as it there job not a hobby, because of the condition if you get any offer over £750 think about it, I am in a similar position, and when you are skint. letting go of special things is hard, thats what stopped me selling as all i could show any one is yesterdays Bills, good luck if I had cash I would make an offer, don't you have a Friend who sells records or try some of the good guys like Keith Minshall Mick Smith Pat Brady and the like, they may well surprise you, these days good luck DAVE

HI MATE....DO YOU DO TRADES?? NO MONEY. ALSO CAN I RECOMMEND THE TEMPESTS LP, THIS IS A SUBLIME LP OF A HIGH STANDARD AND WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY FOR YEARS TO COME, A GENUINE CLASSIC, IN EVERY WAY. DAVE

HI ALL AND YOU COCKNEY REDS??/ WHO ARE YOU!?!.... CHANGING THE SUBJECT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION ASKED, I AM SURE THAT HE IS HAPPY WITH THE ANSWERS SO FAR, WHICH IN THE MAIN ILLUSTRATES THE DIVERSITY OF HOW THE NORTHERN SOUL SCENE FLEDGED IN THE EARLY 70s BY DISGRUNTLED lost SOULS WHO WANTED MUCH MORE THAN A JOB MORTGAGE WIFE AND KIDS, MOST SOUL GOERS SAW THEMSELVES AS DIFFERENT FROM OTHERS EVEN THE MATES THEY GREW UP WITH. SOME LIKE MYSELF WERE ANTI ANYTHING OR BODY, MY LACK OF TRUST IN ANYTHING CONFORMIST, BECAUSE OF MY UPBRINGING IN KIDS HOME A APPROVE SCHOOLS MEANT YOU HAD TO BE ALPHA, AS EVERY ONE IS A TARGET IN AN INSTITUTION, FEND FOR YOURSELF WAS THE ONE AND ONLY RULE, THE SKINHEAD SUB CULTURE WAS AT IT;S HARD END MADE UP BY PEOPLE WITH SIMILAR BROKEN BACKGROUND, WE MADE UP THE NEW RULES THAT WE DISCOVERED IN CHILDHOOD TO SURVIVE, AND AS IF WE WERE ONE, FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE NOT ALONE, THESE EARLY BEGINNINGS WERE DESTINED TO BE STAMPED OUT BY THE LAW AND ORDER PEOPLE, AND OVER A PERIOD OF 24 MONTHS THE POLICE TOOK OUT THE HIERARCHY SENT THEM ALL TO BHMB OR HM DC, ONCE YOU GOT INTO THE 70s ALL THAT WAS LEFT WAS A FASHION SEEN, AND THATS WHAT MOST PEOPLE LIKE THE MOST ABOUT THE ORIGINAL CULTURE THE CLOTHS THE STYLE, I CERTAINLY WOULD NEVER WANT ANYONE TO HAVE THE CHILDHOOD I HAD, JUST TO BE IN A SUB CULTURE, i AM ALSO ALARMED OUT OF THE HARD CORE OF OUR FIRM THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND THOSE WHO SURVIVED ARE A PRODUCT WHAT GOES ROUND, COMES BACK AND HAUNTS YOU, THE NORTH HERTS FIRM WAS VERY VIOLENT AND UNSTABLE, AS WE FOUND OUT WHEN JOHN THE JACK "BOILED HIS BABY!?TRUE SAD FACT".. ,..HERE IS THE MISSING ARTICLE, DAVE KIL

Hi All ...I must reply to your innuendo that I am a dreamer (only when I have a peddle do I dream), I have a few questions for you and your like. 1.W hat is a COCKNEY RED? AS this terminology was not in use in the 60s and especially in 1967, I maybe wrong, but the nearest thing to what you call Cockney Red was when a hard core gang from MILE End used to pretend the were MU fans looking for bovver in North Bank,/? I am sure any WHU fan from the time will remember this, 2. What part of London are you from what area did you grow up in, and I take it your mates were all Cockney Reds, otherwise you must have been lonely as child especially with all your bruises that you got from the other Cockney Kids who supported there local team??? 3. For the record and I will defend this statement always the first Skinhead Gangs as we know them to be as a Youth Sub Culture, sprung up in the East End of London from May 68, most areas of east London from Whitechapel Stepney Bethnal green to the wansted Flats Hackney Marshes to Ilford Giddea Park Harrold Hill Dagenham & Barking saw this happening and by September the majority of Kids in the North Bank Had #1 Haircuts, please dont tell me so did the kids in Bristol Kes! thats a typical Northerner from the same period, of course there were Mods up the North, and Football Hooligans, But no Skinhead gangs, FACT, I mention Millwall as it's a part of the east end, and the Den was only across the Water, It is my Personal memory of Similar types from Bermondsy Newcross London Bridge area at the time, plus they were bound to copy anything the WEST HAM did, as the could recognize Style, 4. I cant imagine a Cockney going down to Upton Park Or the DEN and making a serious statement about supporting Manchester United?? I'm baffled 5. I will reiterate again The Bovver Boy Boot Boy cult grew into the SKINHEAD sub culture at West Ham United, nowhere else absolutely and Finally. have you got it, I am not interested if someone uncle had a cropped head in 1967 or they had a pair of cherry red boots and rode a scooter, and even a lot of West Ham fans although dressed the part and where the Part they lacked what I had, and thats what a Bovver boy has in abundance BOTTLE. DAVE WHO ARE YOU?.

HI SOULSTERS, I HAVE PINNED THIS UP BEFORE, BUT IT FITS IN NEETLEY WITH THIS THREAD, AND AS MOST PEOPLE RATTLED AS THEY DANCED, I WAS LUCKY, I USED TO GET STUFF FROM THE SK&F FACTORY IN WELGAR,80 5mg DEXADRINE £ METHADRINE 2/6d A JACK 10 £1 FRENCH BLUES 80 £1 CAPS WERE A TANNER EACH, HOWEVER THERE ALWAYS WAS THE CHEMIST IF YOU WERE IN A HURRY?? DAVE KIL

HI PETE.. THAT IS A COP OUT IF EVER I SAW ONE? BUT A BETTER OPTION, YES I READ THE THREAD AFTER THE RIGHT UP, AND SO INSPIRED ON DIY RECORD REPAIRS, I HAD SUCCES IN ATTACHING A 1/4" CHIP ON THE RUN IN GROOVES OF MGM K1304 MARLINA MARS-I'M GONNA HOLD ON (TO YOUR LOVE) ISSUE IN OTHERWISE MINT CONDITION, AT LEAST IT CAN BE PLAYED, AS A DJ RECORD, NOT AN EAY JOB ON A RARE RECORD, I DONT NO THE CURRENT PRICE TAG FOR THIS GEM, BUT T NEVER WAS A CHEAP ONE?? DAVE

Hi ALL.... YOU YOUNG OLD BOYS WITH YOUR STORYS, I LEARNT TO DRIVE IN A NICKED JAM JAR, BY THE TIME I HAD DRIVEN DON THE A1 GREAT NORTH ROAD, AND REACHED APEX CORNER, I WAS LOVING IT, AND AS I DROVE ROUND HYDE PARK CORNER AND AROUND THE DILLY, WELL I WAS AN ACE AT DRIVING, IF YOU WANT TO LEARN TO DRIVE, GO TO LONDON, TECHNACLY SPEAKING IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO STEAL A CAR, AS YOU NO? IT'S A OFFENCE OF TAKING A CAR WITHOUT THE OWNERS PERMISION, AS EVEN IF YOU BUY A CAR AND HAVE THE LOG BOOK, IT DOES NOT PROVE THAT IT IS YOURS! IN LAW, ALL THE DRIVER HAS TO SAY IS I WAS GOING TO ASK BUT I COULD NOT FIND HIM/HER, TWOC OR TDA AS I AND YOU KNOW IT WAS ABOUT THE ONLY WAY TO GET ANY WHERE IN THE LATE 60s AND IN THE 70s. NOW I HAVE TO STATE TO THIS DAY I HAVE EDDIE GRINSTEAD & ARTHER FRANCIS IN MY SOUL, SO VIVID ARE THE SCOOTER YEARS FOR ME, I CAN SHUT MY EYES AND I AM RIGHT BACK THERE IN 1967 ON A SEREIS 2 LI OR EVEN A GHOST BIKE (STRIPPED DOWN LD 150s MADE THE BEST ONES) I USED A GHOST LI150 TO RIDE AROUND NORTH LONDON ON THE LOOK FOR A GRINSTEAD SCOOTER, I WOULD STRIP IT DOWN IN 10 MINUTES AND BE OFF HOME, WITH MY LATEST COPPER AND METAL FLAKE GOODIES (BASTARD) I WAS JUST A KID, THE MINI WAS THE MOST STOLEN CAR, AND THE EASEST TO TAKE, IF YOU HAD NOT GONE FROM STANDING NEXT TO A MINI AND DRIVEING OFF IN LESS THAN 30 SECONDS YOU DID NOT PASS THE TEST, IN MY BOOK IF THERE WAS 2 PEOPLE 20 SECONDS IS EASY DONE, FIRST THING YOU PUSHED AND SLIDED THE RARE WINDOW OF THE DOOR AS IT WAS ALWAYS FAULTY CLIP THE DOOR LEAVER GO TO THE FRONT RELEASE THE BONNET CATCH, LIFT THE FUSE BOX CAP, AND OUT A 3d BIT IN THE MIDDLE IT WAS A NEAT WAY TO CROSS THE WIRES , CLOSE THE BONNET AS YOU ENTERD THE CAR, YOU YANKED THE STEARING WHEEL CLOCK WISE AND THE STEEERING LOCK SHATERD, LIGHT UP A #6 PRESS THE IGNITION BUTTON ON THE FLOOR AND OF YOU JOLLY WELL WENT, AFTER SOME TEA I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THE GREY MINI AND NEWPORT PAGNELL SERVICES ON THE M1, IF I REMEMBER DAVE KIL (NO SPELL CHECK SORRY).

HI MATE FAR TO CHEAP KEITH? WHAT A BARGIN BUY! DAVE

HI PETE, AT A GLANCE YOUAINT GOT MUCH CHOICE RELAY, AS THE RECORD LOOKS THE WAY YOU DESCRIBE THE SOUND, SO THE BEST WAY TO START WITH, IS TO TAKE IT IN STEPS AND CHECK THE SOUND EACH TIME,. ALSO IT HELPS TO KNOW A BIT OF CHEMISTRY, ESPECIALLY ON WHAT PAINT YOU THINK IS ON THE VINYL? IT IS A FACT THAT MOST PAINTS THESE DAYS CONTAIN A FORM OF PAST IN THEM TO MAKE THE COLORS VARIABLE AND TO GIVE THE DIFFERENT FINNISH eg:= MATT, SILK GLOSS, ALL STRETCH THE MOLECULES TO GRASPE WHATEVER THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH, THE THEORY IS TO GET A BETTER FINISH FROM LESS PAINT, THE BALANCE AND STRUCTURE OF PAINT CHANGED WHEN THEY DISCOVERED NON DRIP TECHNIQUES, ALSO THE CHEMICALS ARE THERE TO PROTECT WHAT IS UNDERNEATH THE SURFACE, AS THE MANUFACTURER WANTS YOU TO HAVE THE BEST QUALITY PAINT. BUT NOT A EVERLASTING ONE, AS HE WANTS YOU TO BUY MORE PAINT EVERY 4 YEARS OR SO, THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS HAS THE PAINT WELDED ITSELF TO THE VINYL? IF SO YOU WILL NOT GET IT RIGHT IN 100000 YEARS. HERE ARE SOME TIPS TO TRY, AS ALWAYS IF THESE DO NOT WORK OR CAUSE FURTHER DAMAGE I DO NOT TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ANY ONE ACTIONS. 1. IS TO WASH THE RECORD WITH A DILUTED DETERGENT WITH A 1" PAINT BRUSH AND THE RECORD ON A OLD TURNTABLE CLEAN THE RECORD INSIDE OUT(FROM THE MIDDLE) X 5, CLEAN BRUSH AND REPEAT FROM THE OUTSIDE IN X 5 RINSE RECORD AND DRY WITH CLEAN 2" BRUSH AND METH SPIRIT, USE A LINT FREE CLOTH, ( IF YOU HAVE A EMULSION PAINT IT WILL HAVE SHIFTED SOME AWAY} 2. ON A DRY RECORD BLUE TACK THE AREA AND LEAVE FOR 10 MINUTES WITH A SMALL WIGHT ON, PEEL BLUE TACK OF, IF YOU HAVE ANY MAGNIFIED GLASSES CHECK THE BLUE TACK FOR PAINT? IF YOU SEE SOME YOU ARE IN LUCK. 3. WITH ELECTRICIANS TAPE AT ROOM TEMP APPLY TAPE TO AREA EFFECTED MIND THE RECORD LABEL LAY FLAT IN A WARM AREA, THE TAPE WILL GET TACKY, AS LONG AS THE ENVIRONMENT IS SAFE LEAVE FOR 24 HOURS. REMOVE TAPE AND CLEAN GROOVES FROM THE CENTER OUT WITH LITER FLUID TO GET RID OF TAPE GLUE RESIDUE,(LIGHTER fluid IS SAFE AND GREAT FOR RECORD REPAIRS) 4. IF YOU ARE SEEING SOME RESULTS OF REMOVING THE PAINT, THEN YOU CAN PAINT THE RECORD ALL OVER WITH PVA GLUE, LEAVE TO DRY 24 HOURS, REMOVE THE GLUE BY PEELING THE SKIN ( THIS METHOD IS THE BEST WAY OF GETTING RID OF SNAP CRACKLE AND POP FROM A RECORD THAT I USE MYSELF, CLEAN YOUR RECORD AND PLAY, 5. IF YOU HAVE IN-PROVE THE SOUND BIG TIME, STOP THERE. 6. SOAK RECORD IN DETERGENT MIX 20 MINUTES AND USE YOUR VACUUM CLEANER ON FULL POWER AND SUCK IT CLEAN ( A HANDKERCHIEF OVER THE NOZZLE WILL SHOW YOU THE GUNK THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED (RECOMMENDED WAY TO REPAIRER CRACKLE RECORDS, AS IT LINE THE GROOVES TOGETHER READY FOR HOT SPOTTING) WELL HAVE A GO PETE OR TRY SOMETHING ON A SIMILAR THEME, WHAT WOZ THE RECORD ANYWAY. DAVE

HI ALL ..i DON'T THINK! THAT THE MAN UNITED BOUGHT THE SAME TYPE OF BOOT BOY I AM TALKING ABOUT, WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT, HOWEVER THEY EVENTUALLY DID TAKE THE NORTH BANK, NOT THE CHICKEN RUN THO AND AS YOU NO IT WAS NOT EASY, IT WAS THE LAST TIME IT HAPPENED AND ALONG WITH THE WEST HAM FAN WHO GOT KICKED TO DEATH BY THE NOTTS FOREST FANS AT THE END OF THAT SEASON THAT'LL THE CREWS OF EAST LONDON AND ESSEX STOPPED ANY INFIGHTING AND JOINED TOGETHER AS THE FIRM, IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN AGAIN AND AS SUCH WE CROPPED OUR HEADS SO THE OLD BILL JUST DID NOT HAVE A CLUE WHO WAS WHO! SO BECAUSE OF MAN UNITED ACTIONS THE SKINHEAD WAS BORN, I REMEMBER GOING TO OLD TRAFFORD IN 68/ 69 SEASON ALONG WITH THE OLD MEN AND OLD DEARS THERE WERE 5 OF US, ONE BLOKE TOOK THE STRETFORD END, I NEVER SAW HIM AGAIN , I LANDED UP IN ONE OF THOSE BET LYNCH TYPE GAFFS WITH THAT SQUEEZE BOX FOLK MUSIC, THEN WENT TO THE WHEEL. T TERRIFIC! DAVE

HI ALL ... MOST PEOPLE HATE IT, ME! LOVE IT TO BITS, 1ST PLAYED AT BLACKPOOL THEN AT WIGAN, DEMO IS WORTH £15-20 TODAYM SHAME DAVE

HI ALL...PLEASE TELL ME WHERE DID YOU HERE THIS INFO, AS MY COPY ALTHOUGH PLAYS FINE, AS IT'S AN ALL TIME FAV COULD DO WITH A NICE MINTY ONE? ANY POSITIVE INFO RATHER THAN RUMORS?? MY COPY BELOW COME FROM MY HOME TOWN ? NO NOT MICK? DAVE

:thumbsup: Hi All ..First of all thanks for the Feedback, and although I am right , I always accept that my opinion may differ from others, and it is worth noting that History is just an opinion put foreword by any individual who wants to mention the importance of an event or a period of time, and euphoric recall distorts the validity of an event, hence the police tend to look for as many independent witness's as possible if the intend to prosecute. And it is down to the reader to either accept the reading as the truth or is second hand sensationalism?. The very fact that I state that the issue of WEST HAM UNITED as being the true home of the BOVVER BOY, BOOT BOY is fact as the BB stands for Borstal Boy "BB" the term SKINHEAD to my ears, was a northern expression that some journalist used to describe the Whitson Bank Holiday 1969, I had never herd it before then, to describe the latent mods of the 60ts, the word annoys me far more than I can express in this post, less to say the word congers up some late 70ts punks with right wing values that would have received a kick in, back in 69 as there maladjusted outlook was a product of lack of imagination, trying to invent the wheel while on EVO is not what the issue is about at all, In my piece on this three, I attempted to answer the question on Villon's who established the soul scene, and later our scene the original Norther Soul Scene, and to make my point I drew reference to a parallel sub culture that is the only surviver along with our scene, the football fan along with all the obsessive behavior that is attached to it, There is a saying in London "never drink in a Public Bar in a strange Manor" as this is so true especially in the late 60ts early 70ts, at a time when most City centerers where of limits to strangers, whether you went to the early clubs or not, they were always in places where you would never normally spend Saturday night, And for the locals it gave them a monopoly on how things were run! If it had not been for the BBs the term "streetwise" might never come about, as trust me, in the early days of Rare Soul Clubs or the Soho Scene, especially if like me intended to sell Dubes, you had to be able to handle a situation and be forceful, especially if the place was profitable, as you had to go back in there again or hand it all over to a nobody? (to this day I can remember the names of those people who pulled a fast one on the boys from the South who took the gear to the Torch & Wigan) and I know if you went to the TORCH you will recall 2 lads from Luton getting rolled in the bogs again the expression from London comes to mind "Don't shit the bed and then sleep in it" or "don't shit on your Manor" as it is down right not done, " years ago I wrote "MORE THAN SKIN DEEP" a sort of account of different bits of my life, to put right some of the crap thats talked about the youth sub cultures, as what I have read & seen is always incorrect or narrated by someone who was to young, however these accounts have become History, and to make my point if I said something like "the best and most soulful night at Wigan Casino was the Night Wigans Ovation sang Superlove?" as to the football point! I no that WHUFC supporters did not invent violence in 69, what I stated the concept of a united firm in a uniform was a product from WHUFC & MFC and by the time it had spread to the Midlands and the North as a sub culture the style had changed, to me and most Londoners my experience of the north an it's gangs from the time, the resembled grebes and Teddy boys in hobnail Pit Boots and Donkey Jackets all of them seem to be much older than the average age of the West Ham Boot Boys ( 15 to 18 year olds) that is my point, PLUS Don't confuse my views on WHUFC with all that dribble from supporters of Cass Pennant? ICF he may be? but he was not a part of the "SPIRIT OF 69" nor were the balding men who at the age of 40 something in the football tops (twats the lot of them) we were Kids growing up, most of these kind of people are NONCES

Hi All ...cheers for input info, I have also another Barry Smith in a yellow label SHANE a dreadful version of Tom Jones Hit "it's not unusual", now i have seen a US copy it takes the edge of the DISK, but if you collect the island & sue label from start to finish along with the unreleased stuff, if it exists it will be in this format and not a white label, for some reason i have never got round to completing the full PEOPLE label, they put out some nice LPs and like Con-tempo the 12" and LPs are hard to get now, Some records are just so elusive to the completest, this is a good example, as to it's value. i ain't got a clue as I say this is a completest record that just has the right sound for to-days taste, perhaps Ranking Johnny may want it to auction it for me?? :ph34r:DAVE