Mark Bicknell

Has Simon not posted both versions above Ted. Mark Bicknell.

Wow! forgot Ted that's a bit good mate, still the other mix holds it own....what you reckon musically a draw? both versions are the dogs bollocks i think...lol and different so perhaps not a bootleg against original debate more of two versions of a fantastic song. Mark Bicknell.

Thanks Simon for posting both versions, i don't have the tecnology to do that nor the original version....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Ok. however, the original was cut around 1966 was it not? if it is a re record then they nailed it really well, some 11 years on if the re record was done in 1977, i'm gonna try and email Mr Diamond and see if he can give the full story, see what happens? Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Don't swear at me Ken...lol Mark Bicknell.

I guess that's my whole point Steve, in instances like this perhaps the original only rule can be wavered, was it a total re record? i thought it was just a different mix, as Pete S stated also a longer version. Thanks for your comments. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Best we don't turn this thread into yet another 'Originals versus Boots' thing again, i was simply wishing to confirm my thoughts that this 45 is a legit re issue rather than an unofficial bootleg. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Good points Sean, i guess some of us set ourselves up way back, old school and all that, must collect and play originals, still we all know in the cold light of day that this is not always the case, i too remember it being played way back possibly this version? sometimes this purist attitude in playing original authentic records can be a negative aspect of the DJ thing, so load your torpedoes as i might bang it in The Winsford spot, a top tune. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

So that's Ted's, Mick Smith who has the other couple of copies then?, looks like Charles Diamond only has the second issue? and if Ted has it i might just put mine back on the shelf and enjoy it at home but not at the gigs, would be against the grain for me like i said, it was just a question and deep down i know the answer, thanks. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Good points there Baz, as Pete said the second issue sounds much fuller in sound than the original, love the tune to bits me and i may consider the odd spin out and about but not if we are gonna get shot down in flames....lol Mark Bicknell.

Cheers Pete, of course Mick Smith has it but i bet there are not many more out there, i knew it was an Orange original seen a scan of it, so the one i have is a legit re issue as i suspected then? Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Just soughting the boxes out for the Winsford Allnighter on Saturday and i'm so tempted to include Charles Diamond And The Inspirations - No One Else Can Take Your Place - Break Through B81582T - Can anyone confirm what the story is on this record? i picked it up several years ago for about £20.00 knowing of course it was not an authentic first generation copy as that is dog rare with maybe two or three reasonable condition originals out there? a record that has remained ultra rare and hard to find. Am i correct in thinking that the copy i have is a legit re issue dated 1977? put out by Joey Jefferson also am i correct that this is a slightly different mix? to the original and am i also correct that even the second issue goes for a few quid, bit of a dilema really as because of the lack of originals this fantastic record never hardly gets played and it's up there with the best of them, being from the 'when i DJ' i play authentic records camp and i'm not gonna start now or am i moving the goal posts here i just feel are there any circumstances where such tunes on a second issue should get the odd spin being that some attitudes have changed these days towards what format the tunes come via, i have played it on the show several times and stated it's the second press, i would be interested to know if there are any current DJ's who have an original of this record, i suspect Tim Brown, Kenny Burrell may have it but i'm not totally sure, is it best left to them to play it if the mood is right or do we give the 1977 copy a go? Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Records like this are the core of the Northern Soul scene, quality pure and simple, i have a Pink Demo as the bottom scan supplied here but have also had a coule of copies again Pink ones with the labels reversed still sold well for around £150.00 even back a few years ago now, found two of them next to each other at a record store on West 63rd Street, Chicago (not the Record Dugout either) for $4.00 each and yet the guy would not sell me The Fasinators - In Other Words for any amount of money....lol Regards - Mark Bicknell.

I'm with you on that one Mandy, that's the main reason i did not attend that Stafford reunion in Stoke???? like i said Guy and myself did go down to 'The Concorde' a couple of years ago and sat infront of The Royal British Legion Commitee but they were really not interested in having us back so looks like the venue will have to be remembered fondly i'm glad to see here, oh you can imagine what Jacqui said when i mentioned we do another gig....lol to rude to repeat here Mandy...lol Mark Bicknell.

I always thought the Gold ones were much harder to locate than the Red and White copies? having said that i'm on my second Gold copy, bought the first one for £18.00 way back sold it, then replaced with my now copy for £30.00 also a bit back now, i've seen more Red and White ones for sale in recent years than the Gold ones, all in all does it matter which copy you go for or hold in the collection, should be all about the quality of a record rather than lable or quantity around and available, always make me chuckle when a tune becomes popular and there are only a handful of copies out there, demand increases price then a 25 or 50 count turns up word gets out and either they slip out one by one at the inflated price or the market is flooded price drops and so does the appeal and interest, funny that don't you think? when as i say it should be about the quality of a record rather than the cudos of owning something which not too many people have, in my opinion when more copies turn up it just means collectors of the music have a more honest and fair chance of owning a copy? Example would it make any difference if say 100 copies of the Four Tracks - Like My Love For You - Mandigo surfaced which has to be a £1000.00 record these days, would it make it any less of a record if this happened? personally i don't think so. It would simply mean that more people who desire to collect original soul 45's would be able to obtain simply a great record rather than a trophy. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Russ, PM ME mate, i have a red USA stock/issue that i might part with, never really play it that much so if the price is right then maybe we can work something out, not sure of the condition but i remember it plays well, not sure of the value but if a USA Demo is around £100.00???? then issues must be a little less or it might be as with 'Mel Williams' issues being harder than the Demo? not sure, anyhow we might be able to cut a deal, will trade for Poets - She Blew A Good Thing - Symbol Demo.....lol now that is hard to find? Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Me too at Winsford too Tony....lol Mark Bicknell.

I know let's have a revival...lol only joking best to enjoy the memories instead of reliving them.....lol never gonna happen but as a one off would be nice. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Keith, one thing about this scene mate is when the chips are down people show support and respond, i had problems recently with funding for the radio show and after posting on here well the suport and response was awesome, i will be giving the website a shout for you on this coming Sunday's ahow mate as promised, hope it helps. I think most record dealers have lean times at some stage and possibly currently things are slowing down a little for everyone, keep at it. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

I'll certainly try Ted, might just be there myself mate. Mark Bicknell.

That's it Ted, same as mine....lol Mark Bicknell. £500.00 per side......bargain mate...lol Deffo needs playing again, never really went that big did it? Mark Bicknell.

Bugger me Ted.....lol well thinking about the last one i saw listed for sale was a good few years back and it was £250.00 then so reckon on inflation etc. i bet you are right and as ever i'm way off, think i paid around £40.00 for mine way back, good record though and needs playing again......i might just do that at Winsford this coming Saturday. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Two good sides on this one Trev, i think i played both sides tonight??? i think this is a hard 45 to find, quality record, i would really be interested in it's current value must be a couple of hundred quid? Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Two fantastic sides, never thought it was that hard to find but i have had mine for over twenty years.....superb double header. Regards - Mark Bicknell.

Bugger Mr Shard is lurking so get ready for an interesting reply to this one...go Rod!!!! Mark Bicknell.