Agentsmith

PLAYLIST PLEASE?

recieved cd today and listened to the tracks several times already, absolutely brilliant and affirmative that these original versions came to light amidst 40 years of what we worshipped as anthems, we learn something new every day!

i disagree, whilst it may not be a stereo mix, its the same full length version with the extra lyrics that extend the song to almost 2.55

love the film clips....its like a good many of us have been nuturing a field of crops with tender loving care and only now are we seeing the fruits of our labour, weve cogitated for at least two decades now, as to where new blood is coming from to supplement the scene but it appears our misgivings were premature. i cant speak for the rest of the u.k.,.....only you brothers & sisters on soulsource can reflect your present day experiences but i, and kev roberts and every other attendee at stoke had an unobstructed view of the young generation coming into bloom, be they attracted to the mod aspect of the scene or having emerged from under the wings of their guiding light...their parents...there is wholehearted approval, there were many nodding heads. the scene wont shrink and hasnt, its now a global blueprint, atrademark with REAL creedence, a distinct way of escaping the computer generated world of brainwashing pop that cannot possibly pay homage to its roots, its so far gone down the road to oblivion....generations of youngsters instead want indepth knowledge of what has made us, the OLDER PEOPLE, tick and they have learned to understand what this musical phenomenon is about and why it endures....and suddenly its their world, its for real, the music has lyrics they can identify with and they can get off on it without the realliance of the old enemy, drugs, that precipitate the futility of everything else around them .........TO QUOTE THE WHO......"THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT"

i agree in principle pete, i summise that its about being in the right place at the right time to pick copies up at reasonable prices and in a lot of cases perhaps people who, unknown to the vast majority, have copies dont bother to make theirselves known and thus, dont advertise because they genuinly believe no one will be interested in buying. ther are probably thousands out there who would be prepared to sell stuff, but dont know where to place it, worry about not getting their money, dont know who to trust, not sure about true valuations and so on, and so forth......a large proportion go to john's sight....because its there....... and misinterpret its the be all and end all.....the purists know otherwise, thats not knocking john...as a dealer yourself pete, even you know you all have different valuations of records and quite often they're wide of the mark. it just depends who's looking at who's site at a particular moment in time. i probably do what a lot of others do and spend a lot of time looking at soulsource because its the best way to check everyone's sales...its in essence a comparison site....without being one!....i actually consider yourself and henry atkinson, two of the fairest dealers around...the catch is if you happen to have someting i want...its already gone ( well, when i look it usually has! )....the early bird catches the worm as they say....guess there are some collectors who are up before the milkmen & burglars!!!

g'day, agree with previous quote, also on mfp lp, as were a good many other motown offerings...no single release though. rob

mick, that extra minute you mention will be identicle to the 99 joe boy issue of rita & the tiara's rob

aye up dyson lad, are we going to be getting some of these breathtaking tunes at stoke saturday, bearing in mind im still recovering from micks "viking invasion" last week? rob

pmd you, rob

agreed dave, i think our brother chalky's missing the point here, any "debate" dissapated at the outset. the truth is, its completely ridiculous that we should be laughing at the slanging match thats playing out here, any outsider looking in would reason that this thread is the perfect breeding ground for airing long standing, deep-seated grudges against each other...or is it a smoke screen,...playing off each other to drag more gullible soulies into this negative rhetoric? CHALKY......AS THE MODERATOR, YOU ARE IN THE POSITION RIGHT NOW TO CALL A HALT TO IT, SO WHY DONT YOU?? AND I MOST CERTAINLY WOULDNT QUESTION DAVE'S JOURNALISTIC WIT, HIS OBSERVATIONS, TO MANY ARE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR , THEY ARE QUICK, SHARP AND TO THE POINT AND UNLIKE THIS THREAD, HE AINT TRYING TO "VIRTUALLY" THROTTLE ANYBODY

well, you dont need me to tell you that you'll need the cd anyway if you want to get a carver cut :D .....worth it though...blew richard clean out of the water when he first heard it, smooth radio ended up making a jingle out of it.

cant quite believe ive read all this vitriol from grown adults who profess to love the same music as me. life's too short ( PARTICULARLY WHERE A LARGE PROPORTION OF US ARE CONCERNED ) to be worrying about identity/ethnicity/catergorization of what we've grown up with for 3/4 decades....that debacle began in the 70's with the northern/modern clashes......wigan/mecca....and look where that got us.......BOTH VENUES LONG GONE.....and we're still here. the black and white scenario was also part of that as well, but is it REALLY necessary to drag it through the wringer when we're approaching doteage/pension age?...do we REALLY want to be taking this arguement to/be driven to our graves....FOR GOD'S SAKE, CANT ALL PARTIES JUST BURY THE HATCHETT, LIVE WHAT LIFE YOU HAVE LEFT ENJOYING REAL MUSIC, FAR REMOVED FROM WHAT THE CONTEMPORARY WORLD HAS TO OFFER....REMEMBER THAT YOUR SAVIOUR AND YOUR SANITY WAS THE SCENE,....YOU JOINED THIS ESCAPIST MOVEMENT FOR PRECISELY THAT REASON....TO ESCAPE THE BORING MUNDANE WORLD OF REALITY....WHY KEEP SQUABBLING OVER ORIGINALITY?...ISNT THE MANTRA " ITS WHATS IN THE GROOVE THAT COUNTS" OR "ITS JUST GOT THE RIGHT BEAT"....BOTH QUOTES RELEVANT TO BLACK AND WHITE SOUNDS AND BOTH SOUNDS DOVETAILED TO CREATE THE MUSICAL KALIEDESCOPE THAT IS OUR BELOVED NORTHERN SOUL SCENE.... now please, get back to the bigger picture, call a truce, shake hands and get on with talking about things that you really enjoy.

THE CATACOMBS ANTHEM!!.......£150 is tops id guess as well, MAX had a mispelt one off richard domar, according to tim, domar had quite a few of them at one point but they are extremely rare....infact i think tim's is a mis-spelt one as well. i had a demo off him for £60 about 4 years ago......and of course, with relation to me and the catacombs.....ITS A "HEAD THE BEAM" RECORD!!

concur, no legit release but due to the demand, it did get "carved" in a small run , about 6 years ago ( maybe as little as 30-40 copies ) with chris clark's "something's wrong on the b-side. taken in proper context its should be listened to on the "standing in the shadows of motown" award winning double cd....some other great backing tracks on there including the great crossover "for once in my life " minus stevie's vocals.....you can hear all the instruments in crystal clear definition highlighted by jamerson's awesome bass work. dont know if they'rs still available but its also worth checking out the motown karoake cds which you could find in wallmart (asda) in the states about 8 years ago,...maybe they're still online....distributed by "the singing machine" out of florida....they even produced a limited run miniature wurlitzer with the motown logo mounted on the front!!. "love is an itching" is still a guarenteed floopacker as is the cd only, unedited version of "nowhere to run"......again with that fabulous jamerson hook

here,here dave, good quality releases are few and far between these days and the vast majority worth buying, are usually via kent. weve come to reason that a large proportion of the really top notch anthems have happened in the last decade, unreleased material, every bit as good as the stompers weve witnessed over the previous 3, that were legitimate releases and its been ace/kent at the forefront....too right its driven the scene onwards and attracted more newcomers to our cause and, as you said, long may it continue.....my one impending hope is that the deadlock with the owners of the rca catalogue can be resolved and we get vol.3 before we're pushing up daisies.

MALC, DONT YOU MEAN...AN M& S SESSION?.....YOU KNOW, 2 FER A TENNER?....REMEMBER HE IS ARKWRIGHT....( CHEAP BUGGAR )

malc, dont you mean M & S session?............you know, 2 for a tenner.......remember HE IS ARKWRIGHT........CHEAP BUGGAR!!

malc, dont you mean M & S session?............you know, 2 for a tenner.......remember HE IS ARKWRIGHT........CHEAP BUGGAR!!

gilly, firstly i have to say that the series of topper cd's you have been involved in with ady have been most invaluable in educating myself better about the music of detroit and exactly who the talented musicians were, who were responsible for these wonderful tunes that have enhanced our scene, particularly in the last decade. although i havent heard or bought this latest offering, i know there is a genuine and obvious need, not just from the point of view of adding to the saga, but the legitmate fact that by doing so, i like many others will have contributed to the upkeep of a family whose head has passed before, unlike so many other unsung hero's of ours who never got the unique opportunity that dave hamilton's family are now experiencing, god bless them. i am sure they feel the same way to you, the fact you showed such a valued interest in their fathers work and as a result, it has payed off both financially and historically...they have the satisfaction of knowing what he did was not all in vein and weare the recievers of a musical catalogue, unearthed by your determination and perseverence, that would have laid unknown and uncharted but instead, has given up a wealth of masterpeices to grace both our hifi's and our dancefloors. i for one, certainly hope this is NOT the last of the material both you and ady have been researching...i believe you must feel like you are on a wonderful oddessy, a voyage of discovery and at the same time you must feel great satisfaction that you are doing something that benefits others greatly,...if anything, the liner notes that you set out in the very first cd 10 years ago/, say it all, through what you have achieved in their's and dave hamilton's name, you've also earned a great love and affection and you in turn, have given that back. i love everything ady puts out BECAUSE of the effort that has gone into the products....too many same ole, same ole, rehashes to mention, thats why anything kent has to offer is worth savouring and that also includes what mr. rounce contributes, lest i forget. i would imagine for you personally, TOPPER has been a holy grail and for collectors of the vinyl, likewise as prices reflect. it was announced as the last great undiscovered label of detroit...how right was that prophesy?, 10 years on, we are still discovering the truth and our minds are being opened and broadened like never before....perhaps one day ady's other burning desire ( or should that be mine? ) of completing the rca quest, will be realised, but thats another story!. anyway, think ive done enough of the rambling now , so thanks for the treasures untold mate and lets hope they wont be the last. rob.

just had a conversation with the oracle mate, it seems this group would more than likely, just be session musicians. the bootleg if you are acquainted, was quality vinyl as opposed to soussan's trademark styrene and turned up circa, 76/77 alonside yvonne baker and the magicians/ servicemen amongst others and were convincing look-a-likes. apparently, john anderson was responsible for the detroit landapples. as for it being detroit, as logged in kieth rylatts book of last year, that could be contentious as well, bearing in mind that the song writer is listed as one george soul (e). the possibility of two g.s's existing at the same time? the more prominent one of course, is a famed southern soul icon ( alabama ) and if it is indeed one AND the same on this production the it is in the same boat as g.davis & r. tyler......a southern soul record with absolutely nothing to do with detroit.....its open to debate for "oracle" see: tim brown

correct malc, as its refered to in the music industry: a standard,,,,an absolute myriad of covers ensued but benny spellmans reading is the proverbial yardstick.

nothing out of the ordinary here, just quality oldies...... dave & ruben - i love her so much ( it hurts ) - rampart (d) billy butler - right track - okeh (d) ritchie adams - i cant escape from you - congress (d) frankie & johnny - ill hold you - hickory (d) cooperettes - shing-a-ling - brunswick the dells - run for cover - cadet the supremes - he's all ive got - motown the velvelettes - these things will keep me loving you - soul r.dean taylor - lets go somewhere - motown ( canadian issue - alternate take ) the funk brothers - nowhere to run - instr. micky champion - what good am i - musette homer banks - a lot of love - liberty sam dees - lonely for you baby - sss int. patrice holloway - stolen hours - capitol the precisions - if this is love ( id rather be lonely ) - track pat & the blenders - just because - fast eddie fifth dimension - what does it take - bell lp track millie jackson - house for sale - spring voices of east harlem - cashing in - just sunshine the isonics - sugar - kammy harold melvin & the blue notes - get out - landa paul anka - when we get there - rca the casualeers - dance dance dance - roulette (d) the vel-vets - i got to find me somebody - 20th century (d) johnny sayles - i cant get enough - st.lawrence jack montgomery - dearly beloved - scepter (d) the seven souls - i still love you - okeh vicky baines - country girl - parkway (d) diana ross & the supremes - youve been so wonderful to me - tamla motown mamie lee - i can feel him slipping away - mgm tobi legend - time will pass you by - mala

remember guy playing the wheatsheaf in walsall during 80's, ( first time i ever heard JACKIE DAY - NAUGHT BOY ) and the black horse on thompson avenue when mart bradley ran it in early y2k. organised a couple of gigs myself and put guy on, still has some remarkable tunes and dont forget those instrumentals....such as BACKSTREET - DETROIT RYTHMN SECTION and SWEETER THAN THE DAY BEFORE. distinctly remember having a good gasp at this one-off acetate. some of the piccys taken in the last decade made me chuckle as i thought he looked a bit like robin hood ( if you dressed him up in that manner of speaking!! )...bit of a soul "bandit" then eh? do we all think perhaps, that mr. hennigan could be called THE ALL-TIME MASTER OF COVER-UPS?

we wake up again to find we have lost another uniquely articulate and talented musician, who, at one time or another, has influenced our lives through his provocative and justified statements. we found great pleasure in dancing to these tracks, most iconic of all being the bottle, yet we gained a profound understanding of the lyrics he put down and as a consequence, realized a greater overview of our world socially and politically. gil scott heron's output is rightly, critically acclaimed...in our lifetime's and generations to come, his contribution will be a yardstick by which other young, enthusiastic, talented musicians aspirations will be measured....its already happening and will continue to do so. be at peace brother.

och, yer killin' me greavsie