Pete S

No Steve you are right, I am right, and Martyn is right. It was discovered and played in 1977, there's no argument about it: we were actually there, I recodrded it, someone else recorded it, not sure why there's even an argument about it, you can say what you like about me but I'm rarely wrong on when records were played at Wigan during the period I was going. Was big in early 78 and released on Grapevine. Surprised it wasn't on the first Grapevine lp which came out in jan or feb 78 I think, as hanky Panky and Spaceland were, and this was definitely part of that batch of sounds supplied by John A via Popcorn Wylie.

I think I've only ever put up maybe 3 live 1977 Wigan tapes, that's because I only ever converted that many, I"ve got a boxfull that I could do but several I haven't put up because of the embarrassing conversations that got picked up I honestly can't be bothered to go through a load of tapes to find one track, if you don't want to believe me then it doesn't really matter, it's not exactly important and sunday lunch needs cooking

From the article I wrote for Record Collector in 1992, which was checked over by Mr Anderson who provided much of the information about licensing etc.. GRP 125 BETTY BOO: "Say It Isn't So"Â ***** No, it's not the young lady who was "ËœDoing The Do' a while back, but a Detroit teenager who cut demos for Popcorn Wylie in 1966-67. No releases followed, but "Say It Isnt so"Â turned up on acetate in mid-1977, becoming one of the year's biggest (and best) sounds. Several other unreleased items surfaced then, including new vocals to popular Northern standards like Tommy Neal's "ËœGoin' To A Happening"Â and Stanley Mitchell's "Get It Baby"Â, along with recordings from Wylie himself. Boo was a member of the Adorables who cut a super Northern disc for Golden World, "Ooh Boy"Â, with Pat and Diane Lewis and Betty's sister Jackie.

Nick that's absolutely not true, it was played in late 77 early 78, by 79 it was an oldie. I went more or less every saturday in 77 and every saturday in 78, I have it on tape being played.

Chalky I've seen Kent test pressings more recently than that, saw one for Magic Touch and some others, they were all made in Germany (they had that on the label), and the seller was the aforementioned Mick Smith, they were his own copies.

I apologise Sean, I thought you were talking about "Go Now"

You have got to be joking.

You can't make an anti-Dave Godin comment on here without getting an earful so I won't...

Pretty sure it was played at Wigan late 77, absolutely nothing to do with any Grapevine release, it was just played as a newie.

I stopped going in August 78 and it had been and gone way before then Tim

Just downloaded the original, will watch tonight

I accept that, and I also think it's a very average film.

New version already available from usual places in poor quality

Including the entire plot, soundtrack....

I've never even heard of or seen the original! How did I miss that?

I had Italian and several UK's - can't remember there being any difference to be honest

Yep, Germany and Italy under the name John St John. I think I was the first person to speak to him (John Ritson) back in 1990-91(he was trying to buy a copy of their One In A Million 45) and He told me that the groups manager wanted to put out a solo single by him and change his name to John St John, he said no way and as far as he knew, nothing came of it - so the John St John single was issued without his knowledge and I have to admit I was astounded when the first one surfaced.

Is this on facebook? I don't bother with groups on there, people keep signing me up to groups I'm not interested in, then people post adverts on my wall etc, waste of timw

Don't know who this is about.

He doesn't want to pay top dollar Bob Mick was pushing a bit anyway...

PETE SMITH 01902 326306 pete.smith@freeuk.com QUICK SALE OF A HANDFUL OF SKA 45'S SOUL BROTHERS — SOUND ONE / THE MARTINE (EMILE STRAKER) — GRANDFATHERS CLOCK — ISLAND WI 296 Tiny name written on label otherwise as pristine a copy as you could ever find MINT MINUS £20 SHENLEY DUFFUS — GATHER THEM IN / CRUCIFIXION DAY — BLACK SWAN WI-443 A side has a non sounding mark so mint minus, B side mint. Tiny name on label MINT MINUS £20 SONNY & YVONNE — NIGHT AFTER NIGHT / SONNY BURKE GROUP — HERE WE GO AGAIN — BLACK SWAN WI-461 MINT MINUS £20 SONNY BURKE — I LOVE YOU STILL / IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE — BLACK SWAN WI-457 Both sides mint minus £15 THE AVALONS — EVERYDAY / I LOVE YOU — ISLAND WI-263 Both sides are midtempo soul numbers from the Top Deck label. Name on label. EX £12 THE TECHNIQUES — WHO YOU GONNA RUN TO / CANNONBALL BRYAN - HI THERE — CAMEL CA 10 Two copies of this, one has pristine labels and is in EX minus with the odd click (£15) the other is mint but has a name written on both sides above the titles (£20) THAT'S IT... POSTAGE IN THE UK £2.15 RECORDED CHEERS PETE

Think Betty Boo was late 77 or early 78, problem was Richard unleashed 3 or 4 of those unissueds at exactly the same time so it's a bit confusing (I'd have to check my live tapes), Rita & Tiaras I'm positive on that one, I'd just left home, the Lafayette was on a monday night, things like Rita & Tiaras were just taking off.

Ged sorry but this is incorrect, Rita & The Tiaras wasn't big until early 1979.

Didn't think you were Gary!

No it's the truth!