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Side note from the 'Secret Stash' imaging at 7 O'Clock in that Christmas YT video the 'Audiotape' reel for the Ultimations, Madeleine (Miss) and Admirations titled 'it's a matter of time' before retitling it 'wait till I get to know you'... Love that ! Insignificant as it is. It is what I always sung along to ever since...

Yours from close (not sharp or smeared (copy of original) label print) Bootleg on black vinyl with same label as yours (zoom for closeup) Original only on black vinyl with sharp label print and all (zoom same)

Not on yours. On the one I've seen. Not WOL on yours either...

I've seen this in other vinyl colors too (red ?). Boot of some sorts (smeared prints on label) can't tell for what scene. But the one I seen was old-ish. It was in a collection with WOL (was that done on purpose to "age" it ?) late 1990's.

Got my promo on a trade for £50 early 2000 or about.

Not in my book. The stock of EP being much more common I always knew of the promo reaching double the value of the stock. Although that was before with what was mostly a record collector's and dee-jays market prices. Now that the stocker has boomed up in price (at least since 10 years or more but maybe wearing out finally) the promos maybe NOT as much. Same goes for many other items where the value of the promos have not so much increased... Since 20 years it has also become a deep pocket amateur revival market where in many examples the promo factor has not the same 'interest' nor it's the reflective price according to the condition taken into account as it was before if ever. Seeing this fabulous record going for bigger money than here on the eVilBay auctions (a bit crazy really) to see it go for what seem to be the double of the now stabilized price of the stocker this ending price there seems about right IMHO.

I think like you it's OG at least what ever sort of press it is supposed to be. For the Canadian theory I don't seem remember seeing the Canadian on Epic baring those USA groove run-out matrix... But could be proven wrong.

Overlooked it at first but paying attention again at it yes you're right 'save your love' on Wee 3 ! That does not exists. On Wheelsville yes. Or it's flip side 'confusion' (very suiting here) was also re-issued later on the Wee 3 label but not 'save your love'... Jimmy Delphi would be on Carla at that time. The Karen was re-issued ten months later but stuck on the flip side of his then new hit 'don't sign the papers' as credited on this most visionary or premonitory chart on Ollie McLaughlin sister label Karen.

Soul Action with Jimmy Connell on Gemini, Jackie Higher, Norma Jenkins on Carnival, Syl Johnson Sock it to me, Lou Ragland on Amy, The Cruisers on Gamble, Jive Five cryin', The Epitome of Sounds, Lewis Clark on Brent, Sam & Bill on Decca, Jimmy Holiday on Minit, Otis Clay magistral that's how it is, Jimmy Bee overlooks GEM and Marshall and the Chilites price of love ! What-a-week !!!

FWIW the Jackson Five One-Deful reel official story was "borrowed" from a Rolling Stone magazine from September 30th 2014 quoting the historical Secret Stash found and release (I guess with Secret Stash's blurb about it for source). Ye. MJ came to my mind with all the extras 'conjunctions' about and around it making it all very plausible. And also a very possible match. But indeed such appreciation is mostly subjective. Maybe only with people working in that field...

OK. One "vote" not in it. Good. Evidently about the backing vocals. At least they sound girly... No offense but high 'pitch' boys can too if ever... That's for one. For two backings girls could all be at work here while the boys rest all the same. And if ever it's problematic with the Jackson Five what about the Admirations boys ?

At Tone's studios July 1967 the Jackson Five cut a record at One-derful! Records under the directions of Eddie Silvers. Guitarist Larry Blasingaine told about it to Jake Austen who was researching a story about the Steeltown release and then contacted Eric D. Leaner one of the four siblings who inherited the One-derful! masters from their dad and Leaner began to search for the reel. Found it. 2014 Secret Stashed revealed it to the world. Could 'heaven in my arms' have been recorded days or weeks before under Hayes and Jones directions at Tone's too ? But then maybe (very much hypothetically) Hayes and Jones wouldn't have left the reels there. Unless those Admirations credited sessions reels remained at One-Derful's. Hidding there still in that 'secret stash' of reels. And the initial Paree misleading side credited lived on all this time. Like historical myth live on... Could it ? Indeed it's cleverly made-up for a 'mix-up' release. The match can easily be fooling. Hayes and Jones 'masterminds' at it. That bit at least we know. For certain. As for the who's who potential 'contenders' those five young brothers do 'tick' many boxes. And even the vocals do share something to say the least. Even if I got carried away above.

Agree with you. If not the same very similar at least. But the real 'A' side of the Paree 45 'my admiration for you' doesn't match young Michael IMHO. The singing unlike their 'en choeur' duo singing on their One-Derful 45's makes it impossible to compare but their Peaches 45 there provide the perfect vocal match I believe. But overall the tune feel (being their own compositions too) for both 'my admiration for you' and 'all for you' jumps to these ears of mine. It's because I love 'all for you' ever since that I've decided one day to go and purchase the Paree 45 that before didn't manage to convince me. And now I LOVE for 'my admiration for you'. My mind's not always right. My ears and my hearts even less. Anyway I know it can seem big but since this morning Phild's quote from Ralph Childs words saying 'heaven in your arms' is not theirs (meaning 'my admiration for you' is) is buzzing my mind and with that Secret Stash One-Derful undercover story... Chills !

Back on the 'heaven in your arms' on Paree who's who singing here. Could they be the one and the same singer ? EAR TRIAL TIME for anyone who might have something to say about a "matching possibility" if ever or not. Shoot ! A trial not of science and indeed very much subjective. I was proposed by a droping friend to submit to Chat GPT... 'Heaven in your arms' (June or about 1967 as the Admirations on Paree and also as miss pressed on Alvin's Cash 'Diff'rent strokes...' on Mar-V-lous) The Admirations - Heaven Is In Your Arms V V.mp3 'Big Boy' (June/July (?) 1967 unissued previously and available only as part of the One-Derful! Collection subscription from Secret Stash Records.) One-derful!Collection-SubscriptionSecretStashRecordsV.mp3.e8d0e2a306cac869ef3999037c0bae80.mp3 'Big Boy' (released 'A' side on Steeltown in January 1968) Big Boy v v.mp3 'you've changed' (released 'B' side on Steeltown in January 1968) You-ve Changed V V.mp3 FWIW to my ears I hear little more similarities with this last 'you've changed' as he has to put more volume in his singing and adopt a more high tone all along to pass over the loud musical arrangements like in 'heaven in your arms'.

Yep that could very well be. The two Aspirations releases were very close follow-ups. The Admirations on Peaches too but not necessary tha close. But indeed at this stage it's only a guessing 'in the wild' as we really don't have much else to go on... But I get your observation and believe that like you they could have been pressed in a shorter time gap.

Hopefully I might be able to provide sound samples in mp3 formats to post on here and compare vocals. But to these ears of mine it could very well be more and more. Especially on the 'B' side of 'Big Boy' titled 'you've changed' where 9 years young Michael really push his voice to keep up with a louder instrumentation than on 'Big Boy' at a slowly faster pace too. The singing there is very similar to 'heaven in your arms' and that first Jackson 5 Steeltown first single IMO. Adding 'troubled waters' to the quest (but helping to eliminate or keep leads) I just read this coincidental fact if ever ; the ORIGINAL recording of 'Big Boy' by the Jackson Five for One-Derful by mid-1967 that that was recorded 5-6 months prior the Steeltown release is altogether another take. And we do know of the Alvin Cash mispress of June 1967 release of 'diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks' on Mar-V-Lous playing 'heaven in your arms' by who now ?

Yep those typos and font used for the 'B' side here were also often used too on many beloved Chicago pressings. Likely here they were maybe missing one or two print 'blocs' of letters to complete the label and opted for another typos and font. No matter how "disgraceful" it is IMO. A "cheap" trick often seen on Jamaican pressings too FWIW...

Well I did that with my laptop external active speakers with subwoofer (sounds decent nuff) and listened to mp3's on thetintenet with 'heaven in your arms' that I never liked so never tried to figure out any better. Now once I actively listened to it yep it made sense. These are not the Admirations that we know. Then had to seek on YT proper cuts of the Jackson 5 first single issued in January 1968 'big boy' and 'you've changed'. There I could hear in my ear's opinion A matching possibility if ever. But I don't like one or the other so I could be partial here too. But if it is ? What Da F***...

Boom ! Instant clarification. Thanks to The Yank now and to Dave Pinch (although sceptic intervention but proven now right somehow) bringing up the Midas label we can date the Dandeliers on Midas 9004 anywhere between early up to March 1967. Meaning that these Chicago records featuring those CAPITAL credits were pressed anywhere between early 1967 up to 1968... Meaning that we can't rely on that to set a 'window frame' in time for the Peaches releases !

Godon Keith and Silvers Eddie were issuing the first record of the Jackson 5 shortly after that. Although the Admirations on Paree only involved Otis Hayes in connection with the One-Derful group... But still vocally it could very well be a match. Anyone's opinion on that ?

Very interesting. The side I don't like but I'll play it again to hear attentively. But what makes you said that ? Where you told from the 'horses mouth' or what ? Oh yes please do. Yes it's true. I will see with the moderator on here what if and maybe.

That's pretty good to begin with so within October or November 1968. Although the later series post 9010 and 300 are more common like they had better success than their predecessors. Now the earlier releases should prove crucial some more to our case here although not many numbers are likely to have seen so much action but maybe the Lonnie Brooks 9002, the Danderliers 9004 and the Reginald Day 9005 would have had such more exposure to be found.

As I proposed 'maybe a last consideration'... Because 'the date of any of the Peaches variations has never been established' also... just something to consider or not. But I don't get your point about prices. Sorry but what's it about ? Anyway the fact that these CAPITAL letters for the credits thing seemed very short lived could indicate a 'window frame' in time if ever if after a short while it was decided to just as it seems to have abandoned that practice. If so that could be a date lead. As for the Midas label discography indeed it would be nice to have some factual more realistic dates as all those I see on Datcogs or 45Cat are a bit all over the places. Surely some releases must have been covered in local radio charts or have been cited as new releases in local musical press snippets. Now this allowed me to pick out the sole Midas featuring such CAPITAL credits. Before and after same fonts and typos in small FWIW.

Maybe a last consideration to place otherwise in chronology the actual first releases of the Aspirations on Peaches 45's that's only been guessed at best to this day or placed by 'hearsay'. Much more so than established either by crossings of evidences or more solid written proof. Now considering the fonts and typos again but from a last 'brain flash' of my copy of Otis Clay 'don't pass me by' on One-Derful 4852 that is also the very last issued number of the label FWIW but that most importantly features the artist credit and title in the same fonts and typos in CAPITAL letters ! And that is singular enough as very few Chicago records features those. So I can think of this Otis Clay, the Aspirations on Peaches, both Chuck Ray & Ricky Allen on Tamboo and the Del-Tours on Starville for well known examples. Surely there are other Chicago releases out there with the very same features to add to the list if ever to confirm a window frame. While all these lean toward 1968 this Otis Clay 45 on One-Derfull was likely issued around February or March 1968 TBC. The others are more guessed like according to the sounds or discographies. Could be late 1967 too though. ETC. Since we know yet of nothing about the odd Eddie Silvers "cast out" fate for the Admirations last One-Derful it still is most possible that the Aspirations on Peaches 45 came out just before or after this last Admirations 45 on One-Derful in question rather than like before they sealed their One-Derful contract. The name the Aspirations could have exactly served that purpose (undercover) while still tied by contract to One-Derful. The last Admirations pressing variations on Peaches with the remade credits would then still bee the last in line. For everyone involved to try and cash in on it.

Test-press if this is one... or is it a sole 'sample release' copy or what's often often called a pre-release ? Test-presses as you say actually aims to test the first pressings out of a pressing plant for quality control. So there you are right. Making this most likely a sample release or a pre-release of some sort. We could have been more specific on the term to use even though we don't know what we're dealing with. And pre-releases (not like the 'Jamaican so called ones) can absolutely come from different pressing plants going through altogether another mastering job of their own. I know examples from the sixties up to this day where so called 'test-presses' have a totally different mastering job to the commercial releases coming from another pressing plant. That can be for the better in playback definition or not.