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In some cases it can prove revealing to compare one next to another one to check for subtle differences. Now that doesn't yet imply that one is either a counterfeit or a later issue. On the other hand to make a very convincing repro is always a lot of work and barely never cheating the eye of some of well the trained collectors. Those who will go for the fake "label wear" or writings to make it look like it had a previous life will go further than a mere 'XOL' IME. That is more significant of some promoter's evening fast pre-marking expecting to handle the copies for promotion. Many Mint '66-'69 promo Gamble copies found NOS had a similar 'V' marking...

Some Royal Esquire copies from that lot I got had a thin black pen mark (V or X) to 'point' the suggested play side if my memory serves me right 'ain't gonna run...'. But I've kept a 'virgin' label one so can't prove that now... Remenissing the same reaction back in the early nineghties with loads of NOS 1967-1970 UK Pama popping up for peanuts with fellow collectors doubting their 'original' factor for them being so Mint and not picking them up. Not weary only happy I was to pick them and sharing them. Goes without saying that I got the same thrill when this batch came out. For me and for the friends who now also own a beloved copy without breaking the bank.

NOS 🙂

One for sale on discogs for $850 only. Those on eBay must have been bargains ! LOL

Every scene "helped" another to discover sounds or records. For the best as for the worst at times. Like that since the seventies with many "bridges" across borders even. With folks attending different scenes. Through record collectors, dee-jays and dealers 'swaping' sounds going for flip sides. Pushing up the prices and setting new "trends" on the different scenes 😠 for weird mixtures... But hopefully those artists or wannabees in America didn't aim to target them later 'euro' scenes back then. That happened with the beach scene in the N.C. to musical disaster IMO. Wigan... And to the Jamaican music once produced in the UK for the UK market. With few exceptions I know. The same for modern soul in the UK. I now open my umbrella awaiting the storm in replies ⛈️

No-no it's clearly the Trade Martin 'She Put The Hurt On Me' backing vocals hooks I recognized from scratch to this day still. Exactly to my surprise somehow also. Not only a 'Brit' "favorite" (am not Brit BTW) rare soul tune apparently. To my surprise ! No real point in my astonishment otherwise if it would have been any of the above.

Don't want to 'hi-jack' or 'detour' the OP's tread but I always had my reserve about my 'liking' of the record FWIW. Although Good, Big, Pulsating beat and musical accompagnement but the vocal... too 'poppy' for me. Yet I've always understood and respect those who love it 100%. Totaly part of the early 'rare soul' scene is my understanding of it. But once I got me a copy of Steve Mancha 'friday night' I heard them borrowing in the final choruses the hooks 'she puts the hurt on me, she puts the hurt one me...' begging for me to find out how big the record was with the black folks even one year after it's original release... Love those "historical" bits if ever. Anyone know maybe ? RobbK...

Bought a few (like 5 copies or about back then) for $40+ back then from that Las Vegas source for friends.

NAP, WOL, XOL, DHL, NOS can be wondering abreviations for "younger" social networks junkies but with your seniority and authority as a long timer crate digger in dusties or on lists I am surprised you missed that one Russ 😉 But the good news IMO is that it's never too late to learn something new. I know I am when I do. Fresh feel !

Ex is nice. Still £2.500 + up to £3.000 is what I would have expected by today's hysteria on prices for a 'TOP500' and a real class of a tune. But maybe not in the "high prized league" anymore next to real "oldies"... Here's discogs past sales on it BTW ;

Priced to sell. 😞

The 'this is the ending' deep soul side is the one where the mix on the bigger font press matters most. The smaller font pressing has the lead singer mix in the whole music "mixture" where on the bigger font pressing the lead stands out upront. For a much greater dramatic and deeper effect. To the surprise of most who still stick (wrongfully IMO) to the 'crying' side for some reason while ignoring the gem on the flip until once played out. A feeling of 'déjà vu' ? Mmh... Will it go even bigger once that side is played/called out ? Mind you to dance very slow or tight to. Not a "northern" record by a mile.

A classic case when it comes to "unknown' tunes, no ? I've always loved my finds through my 'crate diggins' expeditions no matter them being "northern" sounds or other soul genres. And while selling and/or trading I've always pushed like you describe "worthy" sounds yet not in the realm of 'Joe Public"'s target. But never helding a grudge to those who had to await the 'big ticket' status to come back to me once the frenzy took off asking me 'do you still have it for sale'... To tell them NOPE - it's gone now ! Records collectors maybe. Music lovers or adventurers ? Me yes. Anyway which press of the Si-berians you had back then ?

Don't compare them two please. You not liking the Si-Berians is one thing, many really DO. Me being for one. Have them two. I couldn't live without my Flirtations 45 FWIW. Yet the Si-Berians is best for it's flip side 'this is the ending of our love' IMO. Crave, sigh and drool... Now begging the ? to others who've seen the auction was it the big RICARDO logo font press or the smaller font one ? Bob Abrahamian wasn't clueless on what difference was hiding in the groove between them two presses... Thank you Bob for pointing it out ! RIP

As a guess £3.000 if ever... But maybe no more than Tim Brown's auction if ever that's more realistic. What was Tim's auction copy condition BTW ?

Although he made a better living of his compositions and his publishing Company I truly love this blinding 45 of his featuring his scorching and pleading singing. On both sides ! R.I.P. Big Guy +

Could be. Not able to reach all my records at this moment but was going on the net by well known label like A&M and Omen (who also had those glossy labels) and found on Omen Brice Coefield with the MR stamp matrix but no before Omen releases... Although the Sequins on A&M (February 1965) appears to have the MR stamp...

Pre mid 1965 (the Volumes here is March 1965) the machined MR in circle was apparently just not existing yet. By 1966 it was that I know. Am yet to find when it began by mid 1965 more or less...

Instant love struck for me. With time the flip 'one way lover' became the reccurrent play side home and occasionaly out as well for a less "frantic" (ain't that saying a lot) and a 'finer' vocal harmonies performance. If value should be based only on "beauty" (pedigree of names involved) of a record and it's "musicality" (what "rare" soul sounds are/can be) this record would be sitting high in the 'classified' ranks. In my own 'ranks' it is.

Yes but they did not press styrene pressings at Alco I believe. Or did they ?

If your VG++ is like an EX+ then £150 to £175 I believe is a fair price for both parties. The red variant was often sold as a 'rarer' variant. Then so was the stocker when the trend was going for that (none of which is that true IME but both are seller's arguments). I doubt the black promo should prove of greater intrest in value though... My preference goes for the presumed Monarch pressing (like for most collectors I believe) and should command a bit more in my book. The stocker counterpart for that pressing is also prized and smashing. The Mint factor for this loved record from day one should take it's price tag to higher grounds as those are the rarer ones about.

Before find which one is yours as there are 4 demo variants for it ! Involving 3 pressing plants ! Now I believe the black demo being the rarest (Shelley Products pressing plant). Then the 2 white demos with thin typos for the credits. One with red imprint and another with black imprint. Both are the most seen variations IME (Columbia Terre Haute pressing plant I believe). Then finally the white demo with a thick typos which is a West Coast pressing I believe (no Monarch stamp though FWIW but all leads to that) on glossy paper. Price or value could vary accordingly (£100 - £200+). Condition though IME would prove more crucial. A rare company sleeve with it a serious bonus to consider for value !

Patrick was born in March 1950. The The Sparks 'woe woe' on M.S.R. (month ? 1967) then later on CUB was October 1967. The Carlettes on BR was August 1969 and the later both Capitol releases March 1970. Altough the Carlettes would be his first time at directing and arranging as well as composing. Him full at it. Where with the Sparks only co-composer. Thanks for pointing out.

Legendary name to many into "discothèque" music genres. It came back to me (must have noticed it before but forgot then...) when I got in my BR copy of the Carlettes 'I'm getting tire' b/w 'lost without your love' that a young 19 year old debuting Patrick Adams was credited at the composition, direction and arrangements there ! Is that the first time his name appeared on a record ? I'm lead to believe so but... Although a fantastic 'frantic' record his talent hopefully grew for greater success and posterity. He made it his life and living. God Bless +

Old post by now but 30 plus-plus years for these items at these prices. More like 35 to 40 years ago at least for such refelecting prices IME. 30 years only would set you back to 1990...