Chalky

It still is simple, it's people who are complicating matters.

There's examples of records being over priced every day, Gene Toones is another. Yet there was a record listed on here t'other day for £50, Wallace Johnson (or was it a touch more?) Seen more of some of the tiltes you mention in a month than I've seen of Wallace Johnson in 3 years, so why the large price difference? The seller should sell them now for a fair price and not keep trying to fleece collectors. Surely he has had his moneys worth selling approx 100 copies or so last couple of years? Good records only get crucified by DJ's with no imagination.

no one has accused anyone of causing trouble, or if they did I didn't see that bit, I simply asked if the topic was a genuine request because to me it comes across as a bit of a p*ss take. The topic starter knows his stuff from previous discussions so to ask this question is a little puzzling. He also asked what is crossover when we've just had world war 3 over the very same question in another topic. I also went and looked at the flyer gallery and 3 of the first 5 said Northern Soul. The majority of the venues in the north are oldies driven! Especially the midlands and north west. So get thee sen a hanky and dry your eyes, why what is in this topic would make anyone shed tears is beyond me

Is this topic a p*ss take? The very first flyer although gives no music policy there is a clue when they say Northern Soul, two of the next four say Northern Soul & Motown or Soul and Motown nights and surely everyone has a good idea what DJ plays what. We also had a rather large discussion on across the board too!

bout all its worth really now Anyone willing to part with 400 quid now needs their head looking at with the copies that have come up for sale. The guy who has them been very shrewd.

I can't find them, I thought I had two copies but looked in the box I thought they were in but no luck, there are other boxes but not got time at mo. I can remember tho' they were funny as f*ck How many did they do? And has anyone got any spares they would be willing to sell?

Sure I've got one or two somewhere in the garage

I agree with all of what you say pal, bloody hell twice in one day, must go and lay down in a dark room JT Parker filled the floor at Radcliffe when Ginger played it, fantastic record but it has taken a few years since Andy Dyson first played it to really have an impact. Back in the 80's just about anything was given a try in the thirst for something new, if it didn't work it was dropped, it was either good or bad.

The CSC were the special guests for one night, they didn't run it.

Hi Alan, You are right in what you say I never heard the term R&B etc back then, it was simply Northern Soul, 60's Rare Soul or 60's newies depending on the promoter, but it was all under the same banner. The whole Stafford/100 Club era of the 80's had plenty of examples just like Carl Underwood, Otis Lee, AC Reed, Bud Harper etc etc and no one had a problem with records like these. It wasn't until 10 years or so ago when the real early/rocker type R&B (as Mace puts it) started to creep when it all became complicated and the friction started. Enjoy Sharon Jones.

Otis Lee and Carl Underwood both cover ups for Pat Brady (Lee Blackmore & Soul Searchers) and Roger Banks (Herbert Hunter c/u) respectively mid 80's on the northern scene. I do give credit to both R&B scene and popcorn scene for introducing records to the Northern crowd but then again I like to see credit to the Northern DJ's when it's due

Sarah, Matt was there in the 80's same as many of us and a newie was a simply a new record to the scene even in the 80's which was well known for its 60's newies and many records that were discovered then are still often referred to as a 60's newie for some reason.....

so you're saying that the likes of Otis Lee and Carl Underwood were big on Mod & R&B scene before Northern? I bet it was more like the other way round.

quite right Matt, a newie was a new record to the scene regardless of the year.

Seen Lenny Curtis End boot fetch a tidy sum.

read something else then, no one forces you to read topics. Your doing just as much moaning as others you are moaning about.

Good post pal I'm no lover of the early or rockin' R&B as you out it being played at Northern venues (thats not to say I don't like it, just no wish to hear it out) but nothing wrong with the examples you've given. Gritty soul/Northern always been played. We did get some real early stuff played 5 to ten years ago but much of it seems to have disappeared to more specialised venues. And anyway the roots of rock and roll lie in R&B as many of the early R&R acts were simply black vocal/R&B acts.

The late 80's was definitely Guy and his Soultown promotions, there's a flyer for the second anniversary a few posts back. MYK took the place over after Guy stopped promoting there very early 90's, can't remember the dates for certain when Mick started running it but Guy was still there in 1990.

I remember that now Byrney, stayed in Tony's meself I think. Politics and the scene, venue clashing, we never learn still having the same arguments now.

here's an earlier flyer....

I'm sure I remember getting my membership card and the nighters being cancelled to start with. I was surprised it was as late as it was, thought it was at least a year earlier in starting, i'll have to dig echoes out and check.

second anniversary flyer, January 1990 (I thought it was earlier). I've the 1st Anniversary I think in the garage.

under which promoter? First time I went there was when Guy was running it, think the first one was beginning of 1988 or was it '87?

Hi Dave, is the one you have the same take as the one on e-bay right now? Sure I have a sound-file somewhere from when the one you got was on the bay.

the soundfile for the scan I posted should be in refosoul, if not I'll post it.