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The notes with the Symphonical release on Bandcamp Cincinnati teens Bill Smith & Randy Vandivier would play together during the late 60s in a group called ‘Billy & The Hitch Hikers’ fronted by James Bowens, who through his fascination with James Bond would adopt the nickname ‘Double O’ Hailing from Lincoln Heights, the group would be surrounded by and play with the likes of Bootsy Collins, Charles Spurling who became staples at local King Records Bill & Randy would find themselves working together at the local Holiday Inn during the 70s whilst writing & performing with their own projects. This gave Bill the opportunity to pursue recording & releasing local artists under his own record label, 'Split Records', which would happen at the all in one recording & production facility, Rite Studios in their local neighbourhood Bill had asked Randy to gather the musicians together for three separate recordings to be released under Split Records, whilst employing ‘Double O’ and his backing vocal group ‘The Demingos’ ‘Color One Tear Black’, a poignant, melancholic expression of lost love, created & sang by James Bowens was their third recording in the studio. The guys on that session were Pete Irving on saxophone, Robert Chamberlain playing bass guitar, John Keys on guitar, Randall Vandivier playing trumpet & Harry Darke on drums

Bill/William Smith is one of the group members as far as I can ascertain. Nothing to do with Major Bill. Both James Bowens and Bill Smith were part of James Bowens and His Agents who did the storming northern side Baby I Want You

Been a couple at least this year privately

Never seen or heard anyone else who has seen an LP. Not enough material released for an LP so maybe some lurking in the vaults?

This weeks show....

Knew I was here very early as I was on KTF (e-mail chat group) and then this began, Flynny gave me the nod. Keep up the great work.

Mine says 2002 but sure I was a member before that, think there was some sort of reset?????

Yeah me

Regardless how you look at it, although we didn't know it at the time John had a massive influence on British (and European) youth culture at the time. Not just Northern but as stated Rare Groove, Boogie etc. He knew which records would suit which venue, he was feeding Djs at Cleethorpes and Wigan and both had their own sound. He was feeding Djs at other venues in later years. They in turn helped him shift stock he had if a particular record went big. Business? Yes but he was also influencing. He wasn't alone in this as others were doing the same just not on the scale that Soul Bowl was.

But the scene has always been obsessed by rarity and price, Leon Hayward, James Fountain, both caused a stir in their day. Records that were newly discovered went to the boys at the top, the average Joe had to wait until quantity were tracked down, the Dj often dropped them once everyone had access. Most Djs reputations were built on exclusivity, or rather a venues reputation, Levine and Curtis at The Mecca, Searling at Wigan etc. Later years its more about the Dj than the venue as there was no central venue, Butch, Sam etc. All built their reputations on sets that were pretty much exclusive to them and we followed those Djs, we went to venues to hear those records because we couldn't hear them at home. I don't know if the records back in the early What is happening today isn't so much about rarity though. How many of those records do we see week in week out go for silly prices that are genuinely rare, not many. Most are around in collections or Dj boxes in significant quantities. Now a Dj builds his or hr reputation on how much they spend, not for what they play, they are booked by promoters because they are talked about for what they spend and you are right that is stifling progression and imagination. You only have to look at the number of superb previously unreleased material that is released and how many of the big boys will play them, not many.

£150 the last one I saw, in July.

why not look for something else cheaper? plenty of quality records that are affordable. Plenty of Djs have those 1000 quid records so why listen to someone playing a boot/carver, call it what you want The history as you call it, records were cut because there was no original (studio tapes) or just one known original with a collector, much of what Soussan sent over, Jackie Day Naughty Boy for an 80s example. That is hardly the case these days with plenty having those originals. By and large it has always been about rare original vinyl, Djs having records exclusive to them. You want to Dj with a carver, do you accept monopoly money for your fee?

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Didn't realise this forum was still here. Thank you x

Some great stuff by the man tucked away on the 70s Lps.

More quality crossover, 70s and 80s Modern Soul James Brown - Your Love Was Good For Me - Get On The Good Foot – Polydor Lp Thelma Houston - Nothing Left To Give - Mowest UK Phillip Ballou - Ain’t Nothing Like The Love - Super Disco Edits Benny Johnson - Baby I Love You - Today Harold Melvin & The Bluenotes - Prayin’ - Source Gary Glenn - Gonna Giver You My Love - PPL Bobby Womack - Something For My Head - Columbia Chuck Cissell - Don’t Tell Me You’re Sorry - Arista Randy Brown - I’m Always In The Mood - Parachute Test Press Luther - Follow My Love - Cotillion Voices of East Harlem - Take A Stand - Can You Feel It LP Just Sunshine Tony Owens - (When You’re Wrong) You Got To Pay The Price - Listening Post Willie Hutch - Walking On My Love - RCA Bottom & Company - You’re Messing Up A Good Thing - MD Records Barbara Lewis - Just The Way You Are - Enterprise Bobby Womack - Tell Me Why - Beverley Glen Phillip Ballou - We’ll Be Together - Super Disco Edits Trade Martin - I Wouldn’t Do Anything (That Might Hurt You) - Buddah Barrett Strong - Surrender - Capitol Voices of East Harlem - Amazing Love - Can You Feel It LP Just Sunshine Willie Hutch - Deep In Your Love - Whitfield Wilson Williams - I Think It’s Gonna Work Out Fine - ABC Odyssey - Battened Ships - Mowest Jesse James - If A Man Ever Loved A Woman - Soul Junction Dionne Warwick - Meant To Be - Soul 4 Real Irma Thomas - Turn Around And Love You - Soul 4 Real Corey Glover - Little Girl - LaFace CD Odyssey - Our Lives Are Shaped By What We Love - Mowest

Quite a bit of what Soussan sent over were emidiscs, Frank Wilson for one. Others at Stafford and in the 80s were played from cuts with the only known (at the time) copy in a collectors hands, they needed playing. Now there is no need for any of that and hasn't been for years, enough originals rare and not so rare, expensive and not so out there to satisfy everyone.

Bootleg if you ask me

My understanding too, Mastering Frankford Wayne stamp too

What is in the runout Drew

UK or US?

Last nights show (13th October) with special guest Chris Turnbull

The US label is one of the most complicated to collect if you are bothered about what is in the runout groove, different matrix etc.