Paul-s

AS i have often said Mr Winstanley is a callous, leeching, souless, no morals, mofo, He has stabbed many, many people in the back and the fact the film people love him says it all.

I saw the new trailer and jesus the guy is breaking (spinning on his back) at the end.! Thats just wrong. Also the big 'line Dancing, hands in air scene looks pants'. Trailers are meant to reflect the best of a film, so im not holding out much hope. Also basing it it on Winstanleys bookmeans its definitely a rose tinted, innaccurate, naieve account of the times. According to Russ's book, there were no drugs at Wigan. Shame also that they have him djing with pressings and boots at the after party, but probably reflective of the films quality. Trailer reminds me of a Northern Soul version of 'GREASE' , but im sure you can "tell me more, tell me more" Enjoy..

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NO, it never used to be like that in the 70's/80s. Dont know when the fear of dancing to tunes for the first time crept in. But it certainly dominates the floors here. More in the big venues than the small rooms.

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Had my fun with his tune for the last 3 years....ill let the big boys have their fun with it now...... Absolute floor packer WALLY COCO - Message To Society florentine vg++ offers (over a grand)

GREAT POST. And there great new releases around and a few of us play em! I mix them in with the rarer, older stuff at our Cambridge club and the young dancers love it! https://www.recordkicks.com/releases/Love-Me-Good-If-It-Ain-t-True https://www.recordkicks.com/releases/I-Keep-Heading-On-Cold-Toast

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Robert was a contemporary dancer from DV8 and i think it shows..didn't like him at all, a bit too camp contemporary. Stevie did the business and the rest loooked like young mods to me? Very funny film!

Nice to see Sir Guy getting attention at last via JMs auction. Old DDA play...2 versions but Let Home Cross Your Mind had very low production quality.

Hey , none of us do that much anymore Pete!

Hi mate, wasn't knocking the dancers in the other film, just saying that the alternative to not having Dance Classes/ School, is to make it up on the day and that has failed in the past. Its GREAT script, absolutely BANG ON! I guess thats because its done by someone whos seen and done it.

Its a great thing your doing there guys!

I guess cos its been 10 years in its meticulous and soulful planning and its done by somebody FROM the scene who cares passionately about getting it right. Pete. I think maybe your own dancing is a joke, but these guys have achieved continuity by practicing , listening to the music, going to clubs and embracing the scene for a year before filming. Thats how you get an authentic feel and look, as opposed to getting a load of young actors together (obviously cant use the origanal dancers WAY TOO OLD) on the day and teaching them to dance in a hurry. These guys can REALLY dance, believe me and a couple are way better than most of the old Wigan dancers. Hope that answers you question.

All good Stuff Ady...!! Will be there on 22nd supporting.

Agree Ian, But i go abroad a lot too and i dont hear the same tunes rep[eated over and over again like i do hear. maybe thats why its so refreshing. also they have no, "i wont play this style or that style agenda, cos it aint Northern soul". In fact they have the sort of open mind and soul that the uk seems to have lost with time.

Thats not my quote Steve? I was using someone elses post (matt, i think?). But, of course you cannot have a whole night of unknowns, my complaint is that the last few nighters i went to it was a night of NO unknowns...and that isn't necessary, i dont think. YOU CAN , if its good, play new unknown stuff at a nighter (in moderation), thats how most tunes started off surely?

Also paul , as far as finding brand new discoveries is conserned (vinyl wise ) it is very tuff ,but re the amount of records the uk punters want - there are records certain dj's have in reserve ,it's the time scale involved in breaking them ,apart from say very special instant ones like willie tee -pay some dues or say wally coco (which i know you'v been playing).i guess this explains the repetetivenes of sets. Yes, i guess thats the score. just dreaming of Utopia where I get to hear new stuff all the time! Maybe have one Lifeline a year where its advertised as lesser known/new stuff and then people can't complain. Im sure it would still be very busy and then the ones (like me) who moan about wanting to hear the great tunes you have tucked away, would be happy....and you could, with impunity, try these out to a crowd who have gone knowing what the night is? (or is that a stupid dream?) ady ,don't worry bout dj'in to the bar staff ,mick h does it nearly every time he's on... and i enjoy his spots the most!ha!

Lifeline probably does have the balance right but is still hamstringed by the nostalgia crowd. But where did it all go wrong? What happened to clubs full of people expecting to hear new or underplayed sounds every time they went out? What happened to the DJs leading the way? What happened to DJs like Keb playing a record five times in a row to an empty dancefloor because he believed in it? At the Stafford reunion he must have had a wry smile on his face when he played Tony Galla to a packed dancefloor 25 years later. I think he even said over the mic, '...last time i played this here no one danced'. I still think the spirit of the early 80s post-Wigan was to hear stuff that hasn't been done to death week in week out, that was why i signed up. That spirit has been lost by a lot of people and betrayed by far more. What a f**king shame. Spot on mate!Its all so languid and passive now...wheres the energy and passionate enthusiasm for music gone ? The pioneer spirit the astronautical soul seekers!

Yes , its not an envious task running a venue and my hat goes off to anyone who does Andy. Just to clarify, i dont want to hear an hour of any one genre, funk edge or otherwise and i think tunes like Grace, John Harris, Bernhard Calvin, Black Smoke Band, Sacred Four etc are not funk, they are soul with (for want of a better description that doesnt put people off) a funk edge. But, they are moving dancers feet and have a place on a scene that is into storming rare tunes. They are just not being given a chance at bigger venues. Wally is now and doing very well from what i see. Karl Heard links these type of tunes well with the northern crowd, as he is a dancer and his feet recognise their worth i think. Having said that, your point about its hard enough breaking a new Northern tune, never mind a more leftfield sound is a good one and maybe a sad indightment on how narrow minded the scene has become with time, because there used to be hundreds of leftfield tunes played and tried. People used to listen first and reject or accept based on that! I feel that ability to listen first has sadly and slowly deserted the majority of punters. So i recognise your plight. So, that leaves the important question..if, in your opinion, the tunes that UK punters want to hear have dried up, become very hard to find, what happens now? Are we stuck with what we have? best Paul

TUNE! £10 and sooooo good! Someone put these guys on at a weekender! Fcking incredible! aka Walter & the admirations

Over recent months Lifeline has been at the butt of comments (all negative) which is no problem at all ,although at times cryptic and masked but ultimately aimed at myself and lifeline...in the main mr sadot points out about lifeline's music being stagnant and repetetive and refers to the old guard or old boys (which i assume are the residents at LL? ) which you are bold enough to mention but not name ? is it sam,butch mick h,me ,cliff,arthur,ady pountain,kitch any others? please enlighten us and also if it's any of those- who you'd propose to replace them with As i said Andy, i like most people rate Butch as the best dj around in all genres...its just that i keep hearing the same tunes everytime hes on at lifeline.....or maybe i just timed it wrong when i go? If you read the whole thread, i said Mick is playing brilliant sets? Sam, you gt to love him, BUT, as ive said a few more diverse guests would be good as often the guests ive heard tend to play the stuff that the residents are already covering in their sets, so whats the point of a guest who mimmicks the residents? I think Wrighty and Adam dj where they are invited. Ian recently did Milan, which is a great club with an open music (soul) policy. - we've had james trouble (who sealed his fate 1st time round) karl heard ( we have invited back) yourself paul on numerous occasions,amongst others adam topping,killa,nicola anderson,kev fev, tony foster,nick stevenson amongst other lovers of something different.. next niter has george m spinning (1 of the chaps you mention) I wasn't aware ian wright ,adam leaver or callum were actively dj'ing on the northern scene ? Also on a thread some time ago we asked for any folk wanting to play at lifeline to drop us a line with details ,we got 2 or 3 replies all of which appeared on the rosta.. ( closed shop eh ? another one of yours and other folks digs ) Apologies on this Andy, i never saw that post Paul mentions the lack of 70's or best of 70's ,utter crap do i really need to name current 70's /funky edged spins ? certainly worth mentioning in relation to this ,lifeline's worst period for attendances was at olde bell when most of the dj's programmed more 70's,infact not just more 70's but Which promoter declared all 70's shite and won't have funk influenced tunes paul? If you read back Andy you will see it was Chalky who made the 'People dont want funk edged stuff satement and thats what i based my comment on. His attitude seemed a little closed and i thought he represented lifelines view? I know personally that YOU have broad taste in soul/funk, but Chalky seemed to just dismiss a whole genre in one statement. Hardly worth going into paul but you mention one of the promoters at a 3 room event, too scared to venture into the small rooms ? assuming that's me ,scared my arse it's a matter of watching the front and maintaining a safe and secure environment for the public,for the record i went in all 3 rooms.. Have to disagree, there is a hierachy and at the 'big boy' end they seem to think it demeaning to listen or show they are listening to unknown (wannabees as they are lovingly called). I have supported EVERY SINGLE dj you have mentioned on here Andy..everyone single one, and base this bold staement on mine and others experiences. Not talking about you, but there are loads who think they have heard it all and they just have not. If im in a venue i want to hear everyone cos im excited by music and always looking and listening. I think this desire has deserted some bigger names on the scene. Its a sort of apathy and laziness. Its healthy to have debate Andy and i AM a punter and as you know, supported Lifeline for a long time and will continue to do so. I feel that this allows me to comment on my own experience as a punter and i do so not to put the venue or music down, but to say please lets have more interesting guests that embrace the great 70's funk edged soul thats around (maybe im just being selfish and want more of it!Butch has loads, but we rarely hear him play it in the UK?). I will be there to support George and im sure he will do an great job.

Sorry mate, but this is total nonsense. We play what might be considered 'rare soul' at Move On, pretty much everything we play is uptempo, a lot of it 60s and is as dancable as anything you will here at a classic oldies night. I've always been a dancer and i love dancing to Danny White - Natural Soul Borther, L.J. Reynolds - Intruder, Freddy Hill - Mr Lucky etc.. etc.. etc... In fact i can't think of anything we play that isn't an in your face dancer. Personally i would never play anything i couldn't dance to myself. Spot on...mine are ALL dance records and mostly uptempo! Sounds like theres a very narrow view of whats out there, possibly based on too few visits to too few venues.

This is a great film project and , at last, done by someone from the scene, with people who know the score....these dancers and actors have gone out to learn about the scene, to dance and to know the music. Great script too! Gonna be a big thing!

Interesting points since i last read this. An alliance of venues that blocks new ones out? Thought that was called a 'monopoly'? The monopoly already exists amongs a crowd of self protecting 'guild' dj's or 'mates' (many names used on here). Thats why , i think, other venues have started. For instance, some promoters on here have declared that All 70's are shite or that they wont have funk influenced tunes at their venue (although they have been in venues since the early 70's!), so people (a growing number) are going to start their own nights to cater for that. Guess they will be known as 'scabs' by the guild!