Modernsoulsucks

I can assure you that Dave Godin never rubbed off on me!! I was quite aware of Nietzsche's work long before Mr. Godin appeared and could only marvel at how he found the time to write all those incomprehensible books whilst working with Phil Spector. I no longer have his articles. All I remember are some pictures of punters outside the Wheel, a roll-call of attendees and the bloody Ad-Libs. Does this spat mean that any chances of free weekend passes to your excellent promotions are now receding into the far distance? ROD Ok Col. Im a little tied up at the moment anyway. ROD

You're confusing lapdancing with S&M!! ROD

Label looks somewhat worn. WOL. No one think to ask condition of vinyl. Are we on Ebay? ROD

Is this a case of rose-tinted spectacles? I remember eagerly purchasing my copy of Blues&Soul and opening it at Dave's column and beginning to read and then having to flip back to the front cover to make sure I'd not picked up Nietzsche's "Towards a Genealogy of Morals" by mistake. Sometimes he could go a whole sentence without mentioning Alf Billingham or "Nothing's bloody worse than being alone". Living in London at the end of '72 Im surprised he neglected to cover what was going on there too. At the "Wheatsheaf" pub run by Terry from Record Corner the music ethos was just as pronounced and maybe more so in that "across the board" was the policy long before advent of 70's Northern and crossover. Ady would know more than me about the "Bird's Nest" in West Hampstead [was it?] but those bloody cockneys like Mick Smith were just as dedicated as those up North. Whatever happened to him then? Bloody flash in the pan!! Too facking right!! On a lighter note I would like to point out that despite Soulful Saint's libel I have only attented a Lapdancing club the once. My "hostess" smelt of reindeer and suffered from severe frostbite. I much preferred the Eskimoleaping Parlour next door although the beer was watered down and I spent much of my time in the ig Loo. ROD PS If Dave Godin had written an article argueing the case for Santa Claus, would he have been a North Pole-micist?

Back in the '70's I picked up a scratched acetate of a vocal to "Soul Step" in a junk shop in Barking but it played a bit woof so I sold it to a Yapanese collector. ROD

Ta for that Sid. Do you or anyone else reading this have a contact email or phone # ROD

Would that be Lech Walenza? Was Dave Godin a true polemicist or is Soulsmith with his cunning throwawy line "Although I do have a long list of other things I blame him for....." "Nothing worse than being alone" . does not a scene make. ROD

"He was a polemicist" Is that something like a lapdancer. I didn't know that"" ROD

We got quantity on Danny Moore by simply looking thru the Detroit phone book for the writer's name which was J. Massingille. He was dead I think [i wasn't actually there with Dave] but we got his cousin and after a couple of days he came up with the 45s. 100% original and not to be confused with the bootlegs. We weren't the first to get to the guy as Tim Ashibene/Greg Tormo had got copies a lot earlier but hadn't taken them all. Maybe they didn't know he had more. In same way I got a few copies of Dynamics "Whenever..." by looking up Merlino in Detroit phone book. Got his son who put me in touch with his dad now residing in East Texas. Interesting guy. War hero, connected to Italian businessmen, built Terra Shirma studios and not least bit interested in soul music, more Italian crooners. I think he said Chico Holiday was recorded in 63 and I said that the backing sounds a lot later which was when he mentioned Terra Shirma and the way he'd constructed the studio, which being a technical ignoramous just went over my head. Next time you're in LA why not try Fred Smith in the phone book!!! ROD

BUGGER ALL!!!! ROD

Enough about you and Luke. How are the cats doing?

Steve I may be obssessive and compulsive but I wouldn't necessarily say that was a disorder cos if I did I'd have to count up to 100 three times backwards. Mace, I have tried lighter fuel for price stickers on LPs now and again but it all depends on the sticker and the records all stank of petrol. I thought I'd got into "garage". On holiday in Cornwall with Mark Bicknell I cut my nose on a piece of kitchen foil whilst eating a sandwich as my wife drove down this bumpy country lane. Usually you can't see anything in her handbag but tissues but on that day she had none, the b*****d. After 45 minutes it hadn't stopped and we pulled up in a car park in Hayle. I got some toilet paper from local loo whilst wife went off to buy tissues. She came back with some cotton wool and I tried to stop the bleeding. By this time Im gasping for a fag so I lit up forgetting that the cotton wool had stuck to me and my nose went up in flames!! Bicknell found it very funny as did everybody else and the bleeding did stop soon after. So nail varnish, lighter fuel and me don't really mix as I'd probably burn the house down. ROD

Thanks for taking the time to point that out to me Mace. Very kind. I know what you mean about the condition but I know those stickers would bug me and I'd try and get them off and rip the label and bugger it up. I did it once with Earl Jackson. Tore the sticker which tore the label so I took the whole label off!! I was very young and stupid. Im older but still stupid!! For anyone looking at my ad, thanks to Keith from Crewe I now have Darlings on Kay-Ko. ROD

Nat Adderly I hate pets. When my stepdaughter was getting herself a flat she came up with some cock'n'bull story about her friend buying her a cat as a house-warming present but she had to pick one from the cat-rescue lady and her friend would pay later. I of course asked if the landlord allowed pets and she assured me he did. So off goes the wife and her to choose one and a couple of hours later they're back and she's got to pick it up a few days later. Then the wife starts on me that she's seen a cat too. I tell her I don't want a cat cos it will be me who ends up looking after it and it will ruin the furniture and carpets. For 4 or 5 days she kept on and eventually just to shut her up I agreed. Come the day off they both go again and 2 hours later they're back with a cat for the daughter and two bloody cats for us!! "He needs a friend" my wife said. Daughter goes off to her flat and I spend a couple of days forcefeeding the cats and cleaning up s**t everywhere. Take them to the vets and they've not been properly weaned. I called him Tamla and her Thelma but now the sad part. We came down one morning and Thelma had died of a twisted bowel according to the vet. Then in the afternoon daughter comes around with her cat. Landlord does not allow cats so we're back to two. I feed them and empty the litter. They've clawed the leather suite. They moan until you let them in the bedroom and then jump around playing with the light switch cord at 3 am in the morning. Everything I feared would happen,did. My only consolation is that we had their boll**ks cut off although the wife said if she could have got a 3 for 2 deal she would have had me done at the same time. If I play records they sit in front of the turntable and watch it go round and at first they'd make a grab for it until I pointed out to them that they'd already lost their boll**ks and they wouldn't want to lose any other bits, which has done the trick. Im now quite used to them but can you get cat-paint. I want to paint Tamla white with a big red A but the wife thinks he'll be a laughing stock with his cat mates. ROD

Sent you a PM ROD

Gotta be worth a visit and if you see a DJ called Gene Petty, well you can't miss him ,he's about 20+ stone, say hello from me. Stay away from those grits!! ROD

Why do I get the impression that you two don't take me seriously!! ROD

I say!! This is a scurrilous slur on my open-mindedness and objectivity!! I hate nothing with the exception of Graham Norton's "Dance Fever". I might not be that interested,that is true,as Im not the #1 fan of 70's "lollopers" but I wanted to hear it in the context of the Beach Music thread. I saw your bro just before Xmas. Lucky I was there. He tripped and fell into his pint. I had a packet of polo mints handy and was able to throw him one which he scrambled into and was able to keep afloat whilst I hauled him out. Now, if you don't have any copies of my wants, I think you've wasted enough of my valuable time and I must get back to the ironing before the wife gets home. I have just bought that Roe-O-Tation on Gerim so I trust Im redeemed somewhat in your low but deserved opinion of me. All the best ROD

Andy, I still think you're confusing the Beach Music scene with local Carolina acts. I agree we do share "same DNA" but that's because they're both soul music based. Nomads and Soul Set were more likely "garage bands" influenced by Black music because in the 60's a lot of white kids in the Carolinas were into it. I guess biggest Embers 45 on Northern scene would be "Watch out girl" but side played in beach clubs up to late 70's was "Far away places". I'd also agree that there has been a crossover of both records played in the 60's there and local acts but Im sure you can put that down to various UK dealers hooking up with John Swain from Raleigh or the Wax Museum back in the '70's. Andy BB is right to list those tunes under the umbrella of Beach and you do hear them on Beach radio but in my experience not in the clubs now. The soul content was no longer that important last time I was there in '96. It just had to have the right rhythm for dancing, which is the consuming passion over there, not the music. Tracks by Anne Murray, Inmates RADAR UK, Rockin Louie And Mamajammas, KWS, some rock chick with a version of "Meet me with your black draws on" [i liked that!!] and loads of current bluesy stuff from the likes of Malaco etc. CDs were also becoming the preferred format mainly because that was the medium that new stuff they now liked was released on. I obviously can't remember everything from 10 years ago but 60's content Nil and soul content decreasing. ROD

Am I bothered? Do I look bothered? Whatever Raynoma did Im sure she had her reasons and Im not judging her at all. They just don't look the part if you know what I mean. Was it Raynoma. There was another rumour that Berry owed some influential "businessmen" money and it was some kinda payoff. I have seen I think "Baby Love" and "Where did our love go" too. The labels are kinda blurry and faded. I think at the time these were done they were already back catalogue. Im sure someone out there knows the full story. I think I've seen more copies of Jackie Day and Cautions on Ebay than I've seen Mintish copies of 4 Tops and Temptations especially. So what's that Mellow Madness like. I accessed link to Keb's playlist in Japan and got as far as Elipsis track [which was pleasant enough] but didn't have the time to sit down and listen. ROD

To be honest I've not heard the two on Mega but with you describing them as "frantic" I can't imagine them being played in past 20 years. Would you say those two are very similar to "Party time man" and "Integrity" cos that's the Beach sound. Any variation is a no-no. I remember getting my DJ mate to play "Too late" Mandrill and that died a death. Im sure Oxford Nights wasn't a Beach 45 cos it's the wrong beat. Besides by middle of the 80's the 60's sound was dying out in the clubs. I've been to quite a few and all I heard was 70's and 50's blues/jump R&B. It was rather strange cos the first club I wandered into in '79 played a lot of 60's and by ' 88 I don't recall any really. "Wish you were here" by Billy Eckstine on Motown was one of the few and we'd class that as MOR. I don't actually think there's a beach vinyl collecting scene anymore if Ebay is anything to go by. Back in late 90's CDs were already taking over and DJs were getting rid of their 45s. As Stuart said they didn't seem very passionate about the music and were just going thru the motions. What I find a bit worrying is that I've been to a couple of do's around the NW where all I've heard is 70's and our R&B [not the same as what's played over there] with very few 60's 45s. There were some fantastic 45s from the Carolinas in the 60's and 70's and some guys who collected them like Lew Stanley but I think if you asked Lew he'd probably say he wouldn't be seen dead in a Beach club. ROD

Are you two not mixing up what is Beach music and 45s that just happen to have been recorded and released in the Carolinas. ROD

I tried a couple of these before but you never know. MUST be in MINTISH condition 4 Tops Baby I need your loving Motown US Not a blurry boot or whatever by Raynoma Temptations The way you do the things you do GORDY US Orig label design Darlings Two time loser KAY-KO Ray Barretto El Watusi COLUMBIA UK Topics Hey girl where are... CHADWICK Anybody help or point me in the right direction. Thanks ROD

My pleasure, Slim. You scratch my back and I'll......er... um.... reel out some not very interesting facts but you gotta be impressed with that deal. ROD

Yeah, I know that!! That's what last couple of posts were about. Why would I be bothered? I collect Northern and Motown not 70's pop-soul.There were a whole slew of Drifters soundalikes out at that time like the Majors MAGNET,True Expression EMI. No doubt to try and emulate the success of the Drifters in the UK Pop Charts with their Bell 45s, and they weren't Northern then and definitely not now. Apart from "You're more than..." Drifters didn't get hits with the later Arista or Epic stuff. Those two on Epic were hard to pick up and "Closely..." and "Looks like Im the clown again" on the plain blue Arista label were equally obscure. Hard to remember now what "Beach" 45s I traded over there cos not my cup of tea but I do remember getting Willie Tee NOLA, Reggie Sadler PANTHER and Arthur Willis [sold it to Butch as unknown] for 20 odd different Drifters 45s. Still got the Willie Tee but should have kept the other two with hindsight. Ta for pointing my mistake out again. I won't do it again. ROD