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Yep that's it ta

My memory being shot to bits, I'm assuming this must have been booted? If so can anyone tell me how to spot the boot from the original? TIA.

Bittersweet is the right word.

Brilliant.

Arcades is cheap.

I think for almost all of us this has to be a factor, but for most of us the major driver is the other way round - a record's value (itself a very difficult thing to pin down) depends on its desirability. That desirability can have many causes - we'd all like to pretend it's just about the sound in the grooves, but I'm pretty sure that, in a slightly circular way, price, whether as derived from rarity or some other factor, can be one of them.

Been there many a time - I was wondering whether it was a sister record I hadn't heard Haven't got one anyway sorry!

Do you mean All Day Long?

Blimey, the vocals must have sounded like Pinky and Perky sped up

Would that happen? Surely new batteries would only make the machine record at the correct speed? But a happy accident if so!

I'm quite envious of young kids getting into northern now - think of the vast amount of music to be 'discovered' by their ears! The things older soulies would regard as 'played out' oldies, things we've heard a thousand times before , things we might even call 'boring', because familiarity definitely does breed if not contempt then something like apathy - there are many thousands of such tracks, amazing sounds, waiting to batter virgin eardrums. Plus youth-focused venues must be a genuinely underground and exclusive scene now, which was certainly a big part of the attraction to me when I was young. I was too young to go to Wigan, when it was huge, and when I started it was a very small scene with only a few hundred to a couple of thousand travelling to nighters (I would estimate), and personally I loved that sense of exclusivity and special quality - I didn't want to go to the towny nightclubs and dance to Wham with everyone else, basically. On the other hand, there's likely to be something necessarily more ephemeral to it now. When we were young, having to wait for eg Pat Brady's list to arrive, and then seeing a record you'd heard once at a nighter and had on a Keb tape from Stafford (or something), and having to hand over a lot of money to get your hands on it, because there was no CD with it on, no LP, and YouTube and Spotify etc hadn't been invented, and that was the only way you could really own it barring a crappy, tinny C90 cassette - it was like a full-time job all of its own. And I think that either it bred fanaticism into you, or the non-fanatics fell by the wayside because they weren't committed/mad enough to keep it up, or maybe both. I suppose what I'm saying is the romance of the collecting and home-listening has surely (?) mostly gone now forever unless it already lives within you - but that doesn't mean people won't want to hear and dance to this amazing music, and I find the fact that they do very uplifting. Keep on keeping on!

In my early 1980s days on the scooter scene before I got properly into northern I absolutely loved the Detroit Prophets - I'd say it was one of about a dozen records that made me think I needed to find out more about this northern soul stuff. Like you Dobber I still prefer it to the Originals - whenever I listen to that I keep waiting for them to wake up and crack on with it.

Up vote Cheers The very first time I heard it was on one of the early Kent albums - On The Up Beat I think. Only ever heard it played once, Ian Clark I think at the 100 Club in about 1986 (though my memory might be letting me down there). I've got the issue as well. Great record.

Does anyone play Raining Teardrops these days?

Yep I wasn't trying to drum up the old oldies v newies thing (which was irritating even back in the 80s) - just saying I've got stacks of records that are newies to me because I can't remember them! I love that McKinley Mitchell

I've got various doubles and one treble but four trebles is going it a bit

That's probably it yep. Hadn't occurred to me that there was a lower-bound cut off

The beauty of getting older - I'm just going through some boxes and listening to a load of records that I would swear I have never heard before, and I have no idea when or where I got them. I haven't been diagnosed with Alzheimers, but I sometimes feel like it's 1984 and I've somehow got access to Tim Ashibende's loft because everything I hear is like the nest newie ever. Anyway, I have a few bits and bobs on Toddlin Town which I do remember - Jimmy and the Ents (always preferred the Accents personally, loads more soulful), Mousie and the Traps, Padded Cell (which I always loved) - and a couple of Bull and the Matadors things which I don't remember at all. Point of the post is that Bull and the Matadors 'I Can't Forget' / 'Move With The Groove' has only been sold twice on eBay as far as I can see. OK, not quite 'the best newie ever' but both sides are pretty good and must have been played out and about by lots of people I'd have thought (as above I can't remember ever hearing either song). This can't be a very rare record, so why is it being sold so infrequently? There are lots of others which fall into this sort of category - can anyone name a few? (The downside of getting older is getting fixated on records you loved when you were younger and finding you have bought additional copies because you've forgotten you already had it eg The Commands Hey It's Love on Dynamic, I have two - why??)

Ah - if it's G4 then it's not the story I thought you were talking about (though that in itself proves your/my point I guess!)

Yep - I'm aware of that story, and many others. I've been collecting records since 1985, and have often bid high on stuff (ie thousands) for exactly that reason, to make it more likely I'll secure records I really want. I just think it's an odd record to go that high on that quickly. It's absolutely great, and certainly fairly rare, but there are copies about - I can see 14 have sold on eBay alone in the last 15 years or so with a high price of £956 (in 2017). Most recent sale, last year, was £769 (VG- though). Added to which, I know of a number of private sales. There must be plenty I/we don't know about, too. As I say, not imputing anything dodgy - it's just surprising (in my opinion) to go to £2k+...if the purchaser had put a want on here saying 'prepared to pay £1.5k' (which I still think would be steep!) I reckon he'd have been killed in the stampede. But that's record collecting - no rhyme nor reason sometimes, and no-one can get inside the head of another buyer.

I'm not saying there's anything dodgy going on but that is odd.

How do you tell the diff? ta

Both anywhere between £1k and 1.5k I would think. But there's only one way to find out.

I think it's more like they want to let other people know the trouble they've had, and maybe get you to communicate better.