Philt

Ahhh, how the devil are you mate? Jackson Bros and Bros Cain always in my box pal. Get yourself out, I miss your optimism. Wasn't Jackson Bros originally covered up as Rufus Lumley or sommat ike that? Heard it out last night actually and still sounds great. Bros Cain was an old Rob Marriott c/u wasn't it?

Defo Kev. Played this and the two Major Lance's on Volt out last weekend funnily enough. That's the thing I think Pete. Really surprised when people come and ask what certain records are and it's usually the ones I've kind of taken for granted and maybe forgotten how good they were myself until someone or something prompted me. Like threads like this, makes you start digging em out. Tim on Celtex one example; I'd usually go straight for love now pay later and not give this a second look but it's good enough in its own right and I'm sure would sound great played out.

Ultimations is magic too! Does under rated automatically = cheap? It's almost a case of inverted snobbery at times it seems whereby once the 'rare' tag is attached and/or something is expensive it's automatically deemed by some to be sh*t lol. Anyone with a bit of commitment and one ear has always been able to build a collection of quality original records without going bust haven't they? For me, the thread also underlines that its not necessarily about trying to be 'progressive' all the time either. Looking back pays dividends too I always think

Young Folk is spot on Pete, magic record IMHO. Admirations great too, as is - don't leave me. (It'd be brewster's if it was a rare record, incredible). Bobby Bland - lover with a reputation ... yum yum tree ... I ain't myself, Sharpees - tired of being lonely (Joan's been playing this recently and, as she often does, reminds me how bloody good some of these almost taken for granted and largely overlooked things are: Metros - time changes, Exits, Spyder Turner - good enough, Louis Curry, Tony Talent - tell somebody etc etc etc Criminal really) Got a soft spot for these myself: Mad Lads - love is here today (Volt) Bobby Foster - if you really need a friend (Sound Plus) (uplifiting, think Ged played it last week actually. Something caused me to root it out anyway) Major Lance - since I lost my baby's love (Volt) - there's one version miles better than t'other imho) Terrifics - leave us alone (Diamond Jim) - the version IMO and a manic Detroit dancer you never seem to hear anymore (You Tube clips are all v poor unfortunately) Drake & the Ensolids - fight for love (Alteen) - pitched-up just a touch = magic dancer BB Carter - cool it baby (Kris) - again, best version by miles; uptempo W Coast dancer Monique - wouldn't believe it (Maurci) Finally, couple of daft rarities which I think have suffered as a result: Trent Sisters (Gogate) Softiques (Sheldon) Always loved both and hardly ever heard em out ... although I've been told many times how sh*t my taste is

and the Pie Men?

I bloody knew you knew em

Vernon Harrell aye. Phil Terrell bugging me now lol

Few old faves on there Chalks: Masquaders, Little Stanley, Tommy Navaro, Nono Starr, Little Tony and Hawks, Jackie Day ... All good stuff mate

Got some stuff to pay for so the following are up for grabs; four top quality dancers and a semi-known. All strictly graded, money back of course if you're in any way unhappy. Paypal (gift), cq, transfer etc. Postage at cost, naturally. Overseas will be signed for. No trades thanks Joe Matthews - ain't nothing you can do / check yourself (Kool Kat issue) £1200 (ono) at least vg+ visually, plays Ex+ Has a fair few light marks and paper scuffs but nothing deep or major or which affects play. Labels show some signs of light wear but nothing dramatic; no rings, writing etc. That makes it sound so much worse than it is This ain't a bashed-up record by any means and it plays absolutely spot on, just want to be as honest and specific as poss. Two of the best Detroit thumpers ever for your dosh too of course- gutted to have to let it go but needs must) I'll consider realistic offers on the following: Billy Harner - got to check you out (V-Tone) Ex+ £100 Great copy. Absolutely storming dancer Bros of Soul - I'd be grateful (Boo) strong vg++ £120 BKE magnificence! Cleanest copy I've had 21st Century - coming right back / shadow of a memory (DOT w/d) Ex £200 CRB is an awesome dancer if anyone's not familiar. Other side quality too Mizax & Flizaps - test me (ABC w/d) vg++ £40 Had a couple of plays, possibly c/u?. Play it about +6 lol. PM me. If you wanna hear anything over the phone or get a scan can sort but no time just now. Cheers Phil

Eyup Nev I get that bit, self-defined funk bands made funk records by and large. I also get that 'northern' isn't a genre as such. 'Funky soul' bands? Pointless, semantics. Scene-wise, just records which, in the final analysis, will be good enough or not to people on it who'll vote with their feet. The yardstick that most will use will be what's gone before; some of which had a 'funky-edge' and a bigger proportion of which didn't. If the records posted on this thread are representative of 'funky soul' as some kind of separate entity or [quasi] genre (if pedantry is your thing) - and I suspect they're not but don't really know enough to decide for myself, or if they are reflective of the direction that most think the 'scene' should or want it to go in then I'll get me coat. Alternatively, if its about evolution and things which, for whatever reason, fit the broad 'bill' as established over however many years, that's got to be a good thing hasn't it? Surely there's a place for records from across the spectrum; always has been so why would that suddenly change? What seems to happen at times can be a bit confusing at times though for sure: on the one hand 'we've always had it, what's the problem', and on the other it's 'upfront' and 'different'. For me, tthe very best stuff has bits of both i.e. something recognisable and familiar but different and fresh at the same time. Some are just too different to my ears, that's all.

Inevitably, one person's 'funky soul' I guess Tim... Why does it need to be called or labelled anything - other than a really good record? atb Phil

Maybe just me Rod - and certainly not a pop mate in any shape or form - but I just wouldn't 'class' any of these as 'funky soul', at least not in the sense that I understand or interpret the term. (They're tried and tested northern records and pretty much known and accepted the length and breadth aren't they?). Once you start calling it something I reckon you're on a hiding to nothing because some smart arse somewhere will tell you it ain' :lol:t Maybe that's one of the issues here, and I reckon I'm as guilty as anyone of this and its really crap but ... ... as soon as I hear that term, or anything aligned to it, my brain says 'brace yourself for a dollop of noisy mediocrity, switch off and start moaning to yourself until its over'. How bad is that! I'd be the first to hold my hands up and say that I should be a bit more grown up and open minded by now (not least because not being is highly likely to cause me to miss out on the really good stuff which is undoubtedly in the mix with all the rest). Like anything though, some of it just ain't good enough and no matter how many times people play em or tell me they are they're just not according to my lug'oles. I don't think many who've contributed to this thread would put themselves forward as a fan of done to death 'top 500' tackle but I do honestly think there's something bordering on an obsession in some quarters with being 'different', 'upfront', 'cutting edge' - or wtf you wanna call it- which is maybe why, again, to my ears anyway, so much of what gets presented as that just ain't good enough. The records simply aren't there on the whole are they, at least not to orientate regular nights / nighters around?How could they be after 40+ years of people looking for, listening to and playing em, especially now with the access that folk have to stuff? Several have said it several times on this thread (and others) but it's the categorising and pigeonholing which does so much to inhibit people and feed the stereotypes and misconceptions imho (guilty as charged, again). Same with 'rare and underplayed', 'oldies', 'upfront', rnb, etc etc; seems to me to alienate and switch big chunks of people off before they've even heard 75% of it - guilty, again. (Others have and will argue of course, and there's mileage in it too, that 'across the board' and other such labels do precisely the same thing: too nebulous/ not specific enough etc - can't bloody win). The events that run and run with decent numbers seem to me to avoid the dreaded labels, or at least much emphasis on em, and too much of one thing - cos that's more likely to put and/or hack more people off i.e. striking a balance, stylee / dj-wise, seems more likely to keep more people happy more of the time - which is probably about as good as it gets these days. From painful, first-hand experience LOL, if you don't it's empty room / dancefloor / bloody pockets time - which is pretty crap wherever you're stood. It has to be possible to compromise, and maybe contribute, without feeling like you've sold-out, without bashing yourself to bits because you're not actually as near the cutting edge as you'd like to be or thought you were, hasn't it? It's supposed to be a bloody hobby and, therefore, enjoyable - still have to remind myself sometimes though

Plenty who think they are Kev and plenty who, for various, often entirely selfish reasons, 'book' em. As for the 'liking' bit, there's folk out there who'd stab their granny then circumnavigate the globe for a spot. Overly simplistic and only imho of course but it's one key element of what's shafting it at the mo. In all honesty it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if I never played records outside our house, never did. Just wasn't part of the rationale for getting or staying into it - always was and always will be an irrelevant pleb in the greater scheme. Even when the biggest 'names' [at any given time] decide they've had enough it keeps on rolling - well, it always has done.Once it's about me / us / them we're in the sh*t ... gurrrgggle Agree with Roger, it's a pretty ordinary experience much of the time anyway.

Depends what you're trying to achieve and the night's about. If it's about your ego it doesn't matter a s*ite who else you have on, unless they can do something to feed it. Dead simple rules of thumb for me would be: a. Do you respect em - as people, djs and /or collectors? b. Have they got the records? c. Can they put a set together? If any of those are missing I wouldn't bother personally. Not rocket science but it's a smaller field than people think imho.

Four quality 45s up for grabs. All very strictly graded (play and visually) to be 'excellent' or better unless stated, no rough stuff - money back if you're in any way unhappy of course. Postage at cost; overseas will need to be signed for. Paypal (gift): Philip@threlfall.fsbusiness.co.uk is ideal but UK cq etc etc all ok. Think I've priced em pretty reasonably Jewel Akens - my first lonely night (sukiyaki) (Era issue) Ex+ £250 You'll struggle to find a cleaner copy and the blue / green issue looks fantastic imho The MBs - another day (B-Jet) vg++ £275 Largely forgotten maybe? Underplayed for sure; always rated it. The odd v light mark / scuff but absolutely nothing major at all.Great looking label too, both sides are nice and clean. Boss Four - walkin' by (RIM) £35 Group perfection and cheap enough I hope atb Phil

Agree wholeheartedly with the first bit Chalks. My view is that there simply aren't the records or the people with access to or who already have them to sustain a so-called 'cutting-edge' scene as such, certainly not in the sense that it used to be. The inevitable question about how to 'further the scene', to use your phrase, is really interesting in my opinion. Personally, I'd settle for some consolidation as things currently stand; by that I mean the re-emergence of a focal point venue / nighter around which things can find their level again, where those who have been around non-stop for 30 years or thereabouts can get their acts together and / or, of course, where a sensible enough balance is struck to try and attract and 'keep' people from the various 'factions' that seem to have emerged and become more pronounced in the last couple of years. Dunno, maybe the divisions are too deep already? The difficulty with that, alongside the economics and real-life factors affecting many / most of us now we're not 20 anymore, is that so many people seem to have their own agendas IMHO. I don't need anyone to tell me what I like, what's 'rare', 'underplayed' 'cutting-edge', an 'oldie' etc. What I would really like though is a chance to hear a consistent, quality mix of all of the above in one place with like minded people; dog tired of half empty gaffs with no atmosphere, what to me are, at best, ordinary records presented as something 'different', people who are so off their t*ts they can't see wood for trees musically, and people behind decks - myself definitely included - who'd be better off having a good night and adding to the atmosphere and buzz on t'other side of em. I think we've all become a bit lazy - promoters, collectors, djs and punters alike. It's infinitely easier to sit on your a*se and talk about it than it is to get out in the real world and make it happen. I've always found that the things you care most about and get the most from are the things you really have to work at and for. Interesting though it is, and people's passion on here reassures and inspires in equal measure so I'm certainly not knocking forums or discussions like this per se, but the same old online chats change little or nothing in real life do they? On the feckin internet ain't the same as on 'the scene' is it? I'll go out of my way to support anyone who I think has the right ethos i.e. it ain't about them, making money or blowing smoke up their own or anyone's a*se and, crucially, who can pull the ingredients together to make it work. I'd like to think there's still enough of us out who can and would do the same. Maybe so, maybe no? Maybe I just think about it too much and it really ain't that important anymore and we should all just move on? I'd be gutted though ...

Money for old rope! 'it's what's in the pocket that counts' If everyone did the same thing what'd happen? (You can apply the same question to every bugger thinking they're a dj running empty nights on a regular basis of course and we're seeing the results, gradually) If you ain't got em anymore then you've kind of cashed your chips in haven't you? Still turning up and living that particular dream seems a bit like wanting to eat cake you no longer have, over and over again. Once you're full give it a break or there'll be nowt left. From a punter's point of view, I can't understand why you'd keep stocking the fridge? They'll implode in the end and it won't be them clearing the shit up. Smaller plates all round.

In a nutshell: Jedi weaponry, funky handbags and salvadorian mustard-cutters of varied tempos; rare old uns dipped in underplayed Canadian OXO tinged with blue-stripe ketchup for the purposes of skirt-circling in the year zero - for 45 minutes, upstairs on the Cosby show ... + 'it' Piece of p*ss! No wonder people think we've blown em LOL

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SOLD cheers Phil

I think some of it is just down to laziness; too easy for folk to sit on their a*se online seeing what's 'popular' and chucking a few quid at it. As one or two have already said, there's seems to be something of the dj / ego / trophy culture about much of it. Buy em cos you love em: fiver or 5k shouldn't make the slightest difference as long as you can afford it. If you're lucky enough to play em out once in a while back your taste and leave the sheep to being just that. If it makes em happy and they can afford it then its none of my business really. The likelihood that I'll be chasing the same records is pretty slim in most cases so doesn't cause me to lose much sleep to be honest. Auctions and t'internet make life easier for everyone in terms of accessibility of course but there's never been any substitute for getting out and about, listening to tapes, cds, podcasts, radio shows or whatever, rooting through boxes and picking the brains of the people who know what's what has there. At the end of the day I think you reap what you sew in terms of effort, commitment, building a knowledge-base and contacts you know are sound. If you want an 'instant' collection these days then you're gonna pay through the nose for it (and there's a bit of me that thinks so you should if I'm absolutely honest) Personally, once it's 'gone' in terms of every beggar wanting something it kinda loses its appeal for me. I have no qualms about buying stuff to sell on or letting things go in order to fund new 45s; I try to be realistic and fair price-wise when I do sell things on but if I can make a couple of quid that just gets plowed back into vinyl further along the line anyway. Swings n roundabouts.

'Works' t'other way too of course: Don't be offended but would you take ... another 33% off already cheap records Is postage included ... yes, naturally, cos it's free everywhere Do you still have ... off that sales list from 2004 Any chance of ... scan /clip / couple of the producer's pubes Can you ... make sure I get it last wednesday (think I've done all of them LOL, except the pubes)

Morning.Bills need paying again unfortunately so ... some new additions plus a fair few things from previous sales posts. Anything re-listed is pretty heftily reduced as they're just sat here doing nothing and they've gotta go. A real mixed bunch and (IMHO) some genuinely nice records. (If I've dropped any major b*llocks on price do let me know, I don't have any of those guide things). All strictly graded using site recommended system. All are genuinely vg++ or better unless stated. (If it's gotta be mint or close to it PM me and I'll let you know precisely what's what). I'd rather grade under than over as it avoids hassle all round. No dramas if you're unhappy of course, will sort it straight away i.e. same day where poss and within 48 hrs max. Thanks to everyone who has bought stuff today. Still some good things left ... 2. Marvin L Sims - get off my back (Revue) £45 3. Billy Bass - I'm coming to (Philly Groove) £30 4. Gloria Soul - satisfy my hunger (Golden) £30 (seems pretty obscure this, never had it before) 7. Herbs - question / never never will I (Smoke) £40 (Spare came in trade. 'Question' is kin magic uptempo group dancer IMHO) 8. Roy Wright - heartbreak (awful day) (Crash) £150 (Great gritty uptempo dancer. Pretty rare record to my knowledge and cheap I think) 9. Stormy - the devastator / I won't stop to cry (Twinight) £250 (BB hole. Nice clean copy of this fantastic Chicago double-sider) 12. Lee Rogers - how are you fixed / same things make you... (Wheelsville) £40 (some rippling to label, clean though. Two great Detroit dancers) 13. Herb Johnson & the Impacts - I'm so glad (Brunswick demo) vg+ £60 (label grubby and has some writing. Plays great. Bargain) 15. Lost Souls - I'm your love man (Glasco) strong vg+ £50 (Storming underplayed oldie. Few light scuffs but not bad at all. Cheap as chips!) 16. Reggie Lamont - call on the one / can't get along (Mamies) vg+ £50 (Some label wear but nowt dramatic. Love both sides of this just pitched-up a touch; yet to really have it's day?) 17. Shadows - my love is gone (USA w/d) £85 (Absolute bargain) 18. Jay Lyle - how good can it get (Angel City) £60 (V brief hiss right at start. Awesome west coast dancer. Seen this go for 90+ in the past) 19. Jay Rhythm - wouldn't it be a pleasure (Leo) £25 (Old Steve Green play? Good un anyway) 20. Fabulous Apollos - ain't no use (Valtone) £35 (The merest hint of a 'funky-edge' maybe? Whatever,its another up and at em dancer for not a load of dosh) 21. Diplomats - honest to goodness (Minit demo) £70 (Proper northern!) 22. Eddie Holman - she's beautiful (Don-El) £40 (x and small wol. Always thought this was rarer than its price suggests) 23. Millionaires - cherry baby / I thought about you (Bunny) £25 24. Millionaires - breakdown (Big Bunny) £25 (You can have them both for £40 which I think is a good deal) 25. Gene Woodbury - that's not half bad (Del-Val) £40 (Somebody's gotta buy this for 40 quid, surely?) 26. Charmaines - keep on searching (Minit demo) £25 (Good oldie that could do with another go. Sticker one side, v slight residue from one on t'other) 29. Maurice Jackson - lucky fellow (Candle Lite) vg+ £30 (fantastic Chicago. Label a tad grubby but nothing major. Haunting tune and cheap I think) 30. Trends - that's how I like it / no one there (ABC w/d) vg+ £45 (Two great sides. X and some wol. Bargain!) 33. Andy Mack - later than you think (Chess) vg/+ £30(Has seen some action but plays fine) 34. Spencer - searchin for love (Midtown) £40 35. Leon Collins - I just wanna say I love you (Elf w/d) £15 (Slight smudge on stereo side label) 36. Gene and Eddie - sweet little girl (Rujac w/d) £15 37. Major Harris - just love me / loving you more (Okeh r&w demo) £25 38. Bobby Powell - there is something in a man (Whit) £15 39. Bettye Swann - heartache is gone (Money) £20 40. Taurus & Leo - I ain't playing / goin out of the world (Velvet Sound) vg+ £15 A bit of label wear and the odd scuff but nowt major Paypal (gift), cq etc etc all ok. Standard UK postage rates; overseas I'll check and let you know (but it'll be signed for). Cheers, Phil

Frightening mate what's in those boxes

That's a summary of a fair old chunk of the night mate. Wish I owned even a decent chunk of em.