Philt

Someone asked "who cares"? Me, lots as it goes. Yet to hear even one remotely coherent argument that legitimises playing bootlegs to paying punters. I'm tired of getting soaked p*ssing into this here head wind though. If you just don't get it you never, ever will Better things to be doing ... like saving up for that next shite, boring 'rare' record.

Bloody hell Bob, I'm confusing myself and you're not helping Last one from me too ... it undoubtedly seems irrational but The examples you've 'quoted' were responses to Rod's post in which made reference to a lack of grace and his use of grade as a means of differentiation - which I can't get my head around at all from a dj-ing point of view (as opposed to collecting). As I said, playing originals is playing originals ... ... playing boots isn't, erm, playing originals. - Love it all and have some passion for the right things i.e. the music and not your ego - Collect what you like, play what you like in your bedroom etc (I certainly do) - Don't ever play bootlegs to paying punters because it's taking the piss out of those who spent years looking for and boat loads of cash they couldn't really afford on originals (and it's 'ungracious') IMHO; - Whether you as a dancer or collector are bothered about whether I'm playing originals doesn't really matter to me in the final analysis, I'd much prefer it if it did though and try to frequent venues where people do care - If you play a boot of an original I've struggled to get hold of then I'm gonna see my arse; - If I pay to listen to you play and you're playing boots I think that's taking the piss; In both instances, IMHO of course, you have no respect for the things - call it exclusivity, snobbery, elitism or whatever you like but they have always been key ingredients - that have gone some way towards making this 'scene' different, as opposed to for everyone, run-of- the mill, lowest common denominator, and special in my opinion and experience e.g. how else are you gonna hear what Butch plays? You gotta want it, make the effort and get off your arse, just like you always have and quite right too. How would he react if someone went on before him and played a cut of one of his exclusives? Shrug and say 'never mind', I'll play something else instead'? I think not ... and if the rules are there for the top guys then surely everyone else should try and play by em otherwise we're all hypocrites aren't we? As I said in an earlier post, if you haven't hitched all over the bloody country to listen to certain djs play certain records as a pimply youth, simply because that was the only way you could hear them (or the real mccoy at least), then that would be hard to get your head around and seem pretty illogical I suspect. For me, playing bootlegs just goes totally against the grain. Suddenly everyone's a bloody dj running venues that are half empty cos it's more important that they dj than anything else; lots of punters don't seem to give a sh*t as long as they can hear the 'tune' and I'm afraid I just don't get that. Buy a CD and listen to it at home, swap tapes with someone but go out with higher expectations of the people who are charging you to get in and those who think they have earned the right to stand up and play them. A very well respected mate of mine said to me a few years ago that the day you could hear the Fascinators in Tesco it was all over and f*ck me he was so right. Trust me, I often wish it didn't mean so much to me all this nonsense Bob. atb Phil

I'm afraid you'll need to explain the ungracious bit to me, alongside the perception about being obsessed with what other people are doing. Which bit don't you get? For example, in what way is someone showing even a modicum of good grace by playing a boot of something you've spent years tracking down and/or fortunes on? Secondly, how on earth does the condition of originals differentiate them in terms of validity insofar as dj-ing is concerned? If they are original and they play well enough for folk to listen and dance to them without difficulty then what's to differentiate? Better to play a nice mint boot for a fiver and f*ck em eh? It would appear that you too are obsessive about collecting, as opposed to what people dj with to paying punters. Personally, I'll take whatever I can get / afford condition-wise, purely because I have to. However, originality is absolutely non-negotiable. Entirely different things IMHO. Oh aye, nearly forgot ... ... is that me you're referring to as infantile? I'll get me dad on yer

Absolutely spot on Matt

I would Pete, and all my other toys too Only after telling the promoter that he'd booked someone who is two bob so that's what, if anything, he should pay them. I'd also tell him he was a clueless f*cking knob (nicely though cos I'm a liberal leftie do-gooding social worker as you know). Thanks for the record mate. Superb service as usual. Trust its an original ps. I did once play a cut of something available only on acetate which the guy who owned had cut for me. Someone asked me to play it. Thanks for letting me share with the group, conscience [partially] appeased.

Cheerss Dave, FFS say hello next time! My mincers ain't what they used to be (along with all my other body parts) atb Phil

Like anything and as its always been, some have it and some don't IMHO. What I kind of object to though is a. Being told it's a new, fresh direction when it clearly is not (whatever you wanna call it, funky soul, gospel, it's been done before, lots ...); and b. playing 'new' stuff that just isn't even nearly good enough - IMHO of course - almost for the sake of itself; if it ain't broke don't fix it. As has been said many, many times before, there seem to be plenty of 45s still out there that could be reactivated but which never get an airing, usually because they ain't 'funky' or 'uptempo' enough and yet, to these ears, they knock some of this gear into the proverbial cocked hat. At the risk of sounding defensive ... ... as for taking the piss out of anything that doesn't constitute 'normal soul', I apologise if I gave that impression via my perhaps trite Hughie Green analogy. Nonetheless, I think that misses the point - and this certainly isn't a a personal pop at Dave A btw, don't think we even know each other and anyone who owns Soul Inc will do for me - and yet, in another sense, it makes it beautifully. At the further risk of resurrecting [yet another] done to death topic on here and going off at a [albeit related] tangent, there still seems to be a school of thought which infers that if you don't like this particular 'genre' - for want of a better description - and / or think that there's a place at a nighter for anything other than uptempo sounds per se, then you are in some way staid, unprogressive, missing the point and or don't 'get it.' It's all about perceptions of quality in the end isn't it? Inevitably, what sounds fantastic to one set of lugs will make another bleed, that's always been the case and it's that diversity which keeps it fresh isn't it? I've backed mine for thirty + years and will continue to do so; moreover, I have always and will continue to collect right across the black music spectrum, including more 'traditional' northern sounding records. In a nutshell then, I always have and always will be open to new sounds and, inevitably, some I'll rate and others I won't. The one posted on here is, for me, just very, very ordinary and I can't personally see the merit in playing it out. (Again, just my opinion which, in the greater scheme, naturally, ain't worth jack s*it to anyone else and neither should it be). Absolutely fair play to anyone who tries to keep things going forward, all I really ask as a punter is that folk mix it up a bit.

I'd rather hear Hughie Green

No record I've ever owned

:lol:

Absolutely spot on IMHO

I know mate, no easy answers. Gave up a long time and two collections ago looking for em to be honest and/or taking it all too seriously. Just gotta be yourself, be true to yourself and get enough out of it to make it all worthwhile I reckon atb

That's precisely the point isn't it Barney ... ... proper djs (which I have never and would never claim to be btw) invest vast amounts of time and money in building their knowledge and collections over years and years, making major sacrifices in order to do so in most cases. That's precisely why they and some punters get p*ssed off with chancers and two-second billy's, why they are credible as djs, why people pay em to play em and why people pay to hear em. As a youth I used to hitch all over the country to hear certain djs play certain records cos that was the only way you could hear em. All too easy now for anyone to have a punt at it IMHO. If anyone can convince me that the scene is better for that in any single respect then atb Phil

Oh to have so many arrows in one's quiver. Perhaps it's just another of those UK scene things and, therefore,difficult to understand? There are people over here who don't get it after all. So,... ... there is an enormous difference between what you collect and what you play out. Still, I'm not gonna argue about it, that would be silly

Asking for spots Starting a nite up [just] so you can dj At the very heart of two of 'the scenes' biggest problems as far as I'm concerned: i) Anybody and everybody with a 50 box (of anything) is suddenly a dj; and ii) Too many half-arsed events in mostly empty venues boring the tits off people and fragmenting an already dwindling band of potential punters, all so that wannabees can play records to each other.

I know, and Keb about 12 years before him

Sounds good to me bud Dates are an absolute nightmare as per but watch this space Definitely heard Butch play it on the odd occasion. Rare un for sure and, as I say, finally getting a bit of overdue recognition.

Always makes me a bit suspicious when I see OVO anywhere, primarily because I take it for granted (naivety on my part perhaps) that anyone charging folk to get into a venue and /or playing records - especially if they are taking money for doing so - does it right. Naturally enough, anyone buying / collecting will go with what they can get hold of, afford etc, be that reissues, CDs or whatever. Still got a few myself and started collecting down that route, using bloody dinner money, as many people did I guess. Good on em. Makes me chuckle and ever so slightly p*ssed though when folk come and have a nosey to see if you're playing 'proper' records; now that is an insult! WTF would you not be? Personally, I wouldn't have the brass neck and anyone that does so knowingly is an absolute cad and a bounder and totally misses the point. All IMHO of course. Coat got ...

Moving one or two things on to fund another 45. Some nice stuff here and at what I hope are good prices. All very strictly graded to be at least Ex unless stated, money back if you're in any way unhappy of course. UK postage as per (I'll do SD on anything over £100); overseas I'll check and let you know but it'll be signed-for. PM me if you're interested in anything, sensible offers considered as per. Always interested in good trades too but they'd have to be saleable and there or there abouts in terms of value, apart from the following which I'm looking for specifically: Barons - I've got the feeling (Etah) Vonettes - touch my heart (Cobblestone) Toni Basil - breakaway (A&M) Vito and Salutations - best be going ... (Sandbag) Shandells - I've got to love her (Bridge Society) Gerri Taylor - I'm satisfied ... (Mica) Following for Sale: Topics - hey girl (where are you going)(Chadwick?) w/demo £650 Dem III - I've got a woman (Jam Char) vg++ (light marks dnap) £300 San Francisco rarity. Current Willingham's spin Superbs - I wanna do it with you baby (Dore) £120 Old late Wigan c/u for Mr Searling. Quality uptempo dancer, current nighter plays Admirations - heaven is in your arms (Paree) £225 No address on label. Awesome Chicago dancer Tiaras - love's made a connection (Seton) vg+/+ £500 'PR' and an X on label. A few scuffs and marks and the odd v light crackle as a result but nothing too dramatic at all. How much mint? Clarence Reid - I'm your yes man (Wand) vg+/+ £450 Condition as per Tiaras above. Some water damage to label and a few scuffs and marks but plays absolutely fantastic! Decrescendos - one of the crowd (Prism) Ex- £100 Absolute bargain for this old Stafford monster. Few v light scuffs which dnap Harold Burrage - fifty fifty (M'Pac) £75 vg++ Celebrity Four - honey tell me / inspiration (TRC w/demo) £100 Immaculate and two awesome sides for your money Chuck Bridges - don't you make me cry (Coast Recorders acetate) vg+ £75 Slt label crease and a few crackles here and there but acetate surface is sound. Maybe a different cut to Scoop release??? Emanuel Laskey - don't lead me on (Thelma) VG+++ / Ex £70 Sultans - I wanna know (Ascot) vg+++ £70 Ernie Johnson & the Soul Blenders - you got to be faithful and true (Duplex) £110 V slt label discolouration - you'd have to be fussy though. Cheap for this great dancer yet to have its day Cheers Phil

Wish I'd bloody played em all Had most over the years but no longer, sadly. It was really good mate and if we do another you gotta come - B&B and pies all-in youth Universals is a fair old 45 ain't it and finally getting a bit of recognition on the dancefloor in these ere parts. It'll get another outing at Burnley tomorrow too I reckon.

Ah, someone else who really gets it

If DJs want to post individual playlists that's up to them, obviously, but GS was supposed to be about quality all night. Maybe not enough 'classic' oldies for one or two folk (really sorry but hope you still had a good night). Not a bad selection overall I'd say though ... Debonairs - please come back baby Lee Tillman & Secrets - she's the one I love Spyder Turner - good enough for me Deadbeats - no second chance Paris - sleepless nights Servicemen - sweet magic Tammy Wayne - have a good time Four Dynamics - things a lady ain't supposed to do Executive Four - good thing going Marshall and Chi-lites - the price of love Romona Collins - you've been cheating Perfections - am I gonna lose you Magnetics - count the days Gambrells - you better move Bobby James - I really love you New Yorkers - don't wanna be your fool Tommy Ridgeley - my love is getting stronger Sequins - try my love Chryslers and Monarchs - I'm not gonna lose you Louis Curry - I'll try again tomorrow Trends - not too old to cry Emanuel Laskey - peace loving man Durettes - sweet sweet love Fiestas - think smart Paramounts - I won't share your love Robert Tanner - sweet memories Billy Kennedy - sweet things Brand New Faces - brand new faces Four Pros - everybody's got some soul Claude Huey - why would you blow it Specials - everybody say yeah Little Stanley - out of sight loving Celeste Hardy - you're gone Sound-Masters - lonely lonely Al Williams - I am nothing Herman Hitson - yes you did Tony Talent - gotta tell somebody Sonatas - going on down the road Martha Starr - love is the only solution Calvin Williams - lonely you'll be Ray Agee - I'm losing again Gwen Davis - my man don't think I know Dynamics - you make me feel good Masquaders - that's the same thing Specials - can't find another Trey Js - found it all in you Hytones - bigger and better Honey and the Bees - dynamite exploded Exits - got to have money Jack Montgomery - baby baby take a chance on me Otis Lee - hard row to hoe Cliff Nobles - love is alright Jimmy Norman - I'm leaving Wooden Nickels - nobody but you Ambassadors - I need someone James Dockery - my faith in you is all gone Blue Jays - point of view Masters of Soul - do you really love me Incredibles - mistreatment Universals - diamonds and pearls Bonnie Brisker - so much lovin' Bob and Gene - sailboat High Keys - living a lie Performers - I can't stop you Innovations - stay on the case Fabulous Peps - love of my life Royal Imperials - this heart of mine Festivals - checking out Matadors - say yes baby Four Sonics - easier said than done Versatones - with a broken heart Johnny McCall - you can't get away Blenders - tale of sadness Lovemasters - pushin and pullin Lovers - without a doubt Lillian Dupree - hide and seek Sharon McMahan - got to find another guy Little Johnny Hamilton - Oh how I love you Venturas - heart of love Bobby Guitar Wood - mighty nice to know Tempos - gotta make a move Calvin Grayson - love's just begun Four Pros - just another girl Del Tours - sweet and lovely Betty Lloyd - I'm catching on Stunners - nobody ... Limitations - I'm lonely, I'm troubled Soul Bros Inc - all the time Inspirations - your wish is my command Les Chansonettes - don't let him hurt you Matt Lucas - you better go go Jackie Day - naughty boy Fascinators - in other words Volcanos - your number 1 Ethics - I want my baby back Precisions - why girl Turbines - we got to start over Little Curtis and Blues - please keep me Admirations - heaven is in your arms Mr Caldwell - love bandit Fabulous Peps - with these eyes Majestees - take back all those things Volcanos - rules of love Accents - who you gonna love Trent Sisters - a letter a day Bev Schaffer - even the score George Tindley - ain't gonna worry about you Little John - heartbreakin time Sonny Daye - long long road to happiness Embers - first time Curtis Liggins Indication - what it is Big Frank and the Essences - I won't let her see me cry Don and Juan - the heartbreakin' truth Herbs - question Hayes Cotton - black wings have my angel Vondells - hey girl you've changed Lee Williams - lost love Four Voices - your love is getting stronger Fabulous Apollos - ain't no use Lou Pride - your love is fading Pat Lewis - no one to love Accents - better think again Joseph Moore - still can't get ... Frank Foster - Harlem rumble Jesse Davis - gonna hang on in there girl Topics - needless to say Monique - if you love me (show me) Honeybees - let's get back together Milton Parker - women like it harder Phew Kev Spittle- quality all the way; Joan - ceaseless quality, imagination and the best ear by miles, as per; Rob Smith - he's got the lot; Ian Cunliffe - never, ever disappoints; Dave Welding - absolutely awesome

That'd be going back mate I think. Never ceased to be amazed ... how difficult can it be? On the one hand had a 45 in a 7" metal tin; he'd trimmed a paper sleeve and card up to fit and also filled it with those little foam things. Where on earth he found it I dunno but I've kept the blighter. You could have jumped up and down on it and it'd have survived. Alternatively, received two of the most expensive things I've ever bought in a bloody pizza box. Nearly shat when I saw it and spent about half an hour with my ear alongside 'shaking' it ever so gently

Afternoon need to raise some cash so the following up for grabs, some v reluctantly All very strictly graded to be at least Ex unless stated [so you won't be disappointed when it arrives]. UK postage as standard (just say how you want it sending) and I'll do SD on stuff totalling £100 or more. Overseas I'll have to check but it'll be signed for. PM if you're interested in anything: atb Phil Steve Mancha - Friday night / Monday through Thursday (Groovesville) £300 (fairly immaculate copy of this immense double-sider!) DeCrescendos - one of the crowd (Prism) £125 vg++ Stafford monster and a hard record these days Clarence Reid - I'm your yes man (Wand) £550 vg+/+ water marks on label and light marks dnap. Big, big spins again Dem III - I got a woman (Jam-Cha) £350 vg++ Fantastic and illusive San Francisco group rarity for years, current Willinghams spin Creations - just remember me (Globe) £50 vg++ Tiny chip out of inner / centre edge otherwise very very clean and obviously dnap. Old Steinways c/u for Searling as I recall Chuck Wells - the love knot (Goldleaf) £300 vg++ Mark on intro (coupla revs) then one or two light scuffs. Never turns up anymore Dynamics - whenever I'm without you / love to a guy (Top Ten) £300 Immaculate copy of this quality double sider Gypsies - it's a woman's world (Old Town w/d) £100 Great oldie, bell stamped and cheap too. Very slight label stain Shades of Love - such good friends (Delon) £450 vg (visually) Looks pretty battered but plays well enough. Very, very rare record, major niter spin Fantastic Four - pin point it down (Soul white demo) £40 Might be talking rubbish but can't recall ever seeing another w/d, great uptempo dancer and immaculate nick too Betty Lavette - I'm holding on (Big Wheel) £40 Storming, storming stormer! Needs playing again Kelly Bros - haven't I been good to you (Excello) £15 Relatives - three kinds of love / she's got soul (Wow) £50 Two great sides, old Rob Marriot c/u Visitors - what about me / my love is ready ... (TRC) £45 Fantastic! Puzzles - my sweet baby (Fat Back) £40

Top man See you Crewe for sure mate. (Think I'm due to clear the floor there in July from memory ).